Fl Studio/Fruity Loops Sound Quality compared to hardware and other DAWs

[mindseye]

Originally Posted by mgthefuture

FL has it's own sound, that's for sure. I been using it since 3.0. I've used Reason 2-4, Ableton, Cubase, Audition, and others as well. I still use FL for most of my production to this day. And i dislike what it does in terms of the bass/low end. I can't figure out what that is... maybe its what some are saying as "masking".

My only solution seems to be is print the file as a .wav and adjust the EQ in ozone and throw a limiter on it.

In comparison to if i did a whole beat in ableton, I dont have to do that much at all.

FL even a little funny with it's levels..like they meter/gui is not accurate to what I'm hearing in reference multiple sounds being mixed...I dont know why that is.


With all that being said, i still love it. ANd using stock sounds? LOL that's laughable. Although I find the new generation of synths with it quite cute.

I dont think anyone ever uses stock drums on any machine these days...(within hip hop) Anyways..

There is quantize with presets, and swing/midi of other machines you can find...especially ASR and MPC.

And an auto quantize...search the FL glossary. ANd grab one of those FL bible ebooks.

I stand by it. In a love hate thing..its the best sequencer/arranger I ever used.

what synth plugs would you recommend for FL Studio?

[mgthefuture]

A great "synth" in my opinion would be Massive. I can't call it. But its variety of sound and design is just the best for hip hop.

Hypersonic 2.0 is a good "general" rompler.

And Nexus is my favorite. I'm experimenting with Omnisphere.

SoundClick artist: These Beats On Fire - Today's Best In Hip Hop & R&B Sound. MG The Future & Tommy D, "these beat's are fire!" Thesebeatsonf

Here's something i did today with the pan laws off with omnisphere and urban fire 5.

[wafflesomd]

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

That track you posted, including Chris's, has nothing to do with Rap & Hip-Hop production but you posted them anyways, why. You guys are in the wrong forum. And Chris you never give any production advice because you know any.

It was made in FL. Isn't that the point of this thread?

To hear what loops sound like in FL?

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

A bunch of crap no one cares about because I'm a dick.

What's your problem?

I for one quite like Chris's stuff. I especially like "My Baby Girl".

Can you post some of your works?

[wafflesomd]

Originally Posted by DAH

This beat i made completely on FL studio ITB

That's a great beat!

[cass]

FL 7

SoundClick artist: Casalena Productions - page with MP3 music downloads

SoundClick artist: Casalena Productions - page with MP3 music downloads

[cass]

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[SupaBad]

FL Studio is great! Very easy to use and one of the best sequencers ever!
All I use is Fruity Loops. I'm looking forward to buying a midi control to step things up!

Here's some of my work made on FL Studio

YouTube - Jamie Foxx fea T-Pain - Blame It Remix

[cass]

the only thing thats pissin me off with Fl studio is not being able to add FX to midi outs, or send them to the mixer, no tutorial is helping me :S

YouTube - Route Midi Outs to Mixer Channel In Fl Studio


Those straight forward steps didnt even help, maybe it will when i try hypersonik, but my orcehstral vsls, forget it

[Chris Lago]

Are you having time hooking up your external synth with Midi? If so pm me.

[Cheta]

FL is my main weapon of choice, i rarely use the sounds in my fantom but other than that im using my 100,000 + collected drum sounds and samples and my 500gb + worth of vsti's

these tracks here are made with FL

[irthwirm]

Originally Posted by cass

the only thing thats pissin me off with Fl studio is not being able to add FX to midi outs, or send them to the mixer, no tutorial is helping me :S

that's weird. You don't really have the effect on the midi out. It's just a channel that communicates info from you external sound source (ie motif rack) to your FL program. The actual audio which comes out of your hardware in through your AD interface and into you fl mixer which you have to set up in the mixer. Should be a pull down that you can set up in your mixer window at the upper right. I have mbox pro 2 so i choose the spdif which my motif is comming into my mbox spdif. I have a turntable that comes in the through the phono which i just set the mixer to mbox2pro analoge 1+2 etc etc as long as you install the drivers for your interface it should show up in you mixer channel settings in fl. But you have to actively select the source first. Now i can hear my motif or turntable. Record midi from my motif which is the MIDI OUT channel. It really is for capturing your midi notes not actually bringing in the sound. Tweak if need be then play back and print audio. hhmmm sounds complicated when i type it out.

[cass]

I got it to work.

only thing is i can only send up tolike 4 midi outs to the mixer per vst :S, then i have to open another instance. It's like that in Fl 9 anyways, i hate the new set up, damn automaping

[hoffy]

Originally Posted by MattmaN

Nope not even samplitude has a sound.
A guy over at the reaper forums did a test with samp, and a similar one was done at kvr with many more sequencers, and every single one including samp came out 100% identical.

It's the nice built in fx that samp has the edge in.

Alot of people will think, and hear, but math is math, and there's really no arguing with all the developers who say it's all the same.
I've probably seen 5-6 sequencer developers all refute any differances.

Sorry, but none of these tests actually prove anything.

All the tests did was import a bunch of .wav files and render the output. The results might suggest that there's no difference to the summing engine, but the tests don't take into account anything else-

For example, what happens if you take 3 or 4 different sounds, and then time stretch them in the software, and *then* render them? There's so many time stretching algorithms, and of course they all sound different- most hosts provide more than one time stretching algorithm as it is.

How do the hosts interact with plug-ins? What about timing differences? Can all of them render at 24bit 96khz?

[DAH]

Originally Posted by hoffy

Sorry, but none of these tests actually prove anything.

All the tests did was import a bunch of .wav files and render the output. The results might suggest that there's no difference to the summing engine, but the tests don't take into account anything else-

For example, what happens if you take 3 or 4 different sounds, and then time stretch them in the software, and *then* render them? There's so many time stretching algorithms, and of course they all sound different- most hosts provide more than one time stretching algorithm as it is.

How do the hosts interact with plug-ins? What about timing differences? Can all of them render at 24bit 96khz?

Sound does not mean "Timing diffrences" and 24/96... So it`s just pointless... No "sound" in DAWs..

[MikeSV]

Originally Posted by MikeyMike

First off, any "beats" that I posted were tracks that I wouldn't dare sell to any artist except 1. I got financial backers and potential customers singing high praises about my unique sound and that's no lie. I can make a phone call right now and be in any big studio you can name that ain't booked. I'm just taking it easy...

Riiiiight.... How about you take your own advise and "take it easy". You do nothing but put people down and I'm actually sort of embarrassed for you.

[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by MikeSV

Riiiiight.... How about you take your own advise and "take it easy". You do nothing but put people down and I'm actually sort of embarrassed for you.

Come on Mike and Mike, this isn't ESPN2 and it's not 6am-10am right now.

[MikeSV]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

Come on Mike and Mike, this isn't ESPN2 and it's not 6am-10am right now.

[MikeyMike]

Originally Posted by MikeSV

Riiiiight.... How about you take your own advise and "take it easy". You do nothing but put people down and I'm actually sort of embarrassed for you.

Sensitive much

[smccarthy945]

I think FL is a real creative environment to work in but I always hear the level differences especially when using VSTS on the tracks. I think the best approach with FL is to create in it and mix down in something else.

Even people who use Logic bounce over to PT to mix down.

[murphythecat87]

Wisp makes everything in fruity loop: it kinds of shows its potential.
YouTube - wisp - see in rainbows

no analog, only vst plugin. Pretty amazing!

[rawtunez]

whats the best way to record vox in fl? it seems a little awkward

[Ldizzy]

Originally Posted by DAH

This beat i made completely on FL studio ITB

and frankly son... its sucks big time...

no offense.. its just weak


back on the subject now...

fl studio, if simply used as a host.. can give great results... its all a matter of how u use it.. mostly meaning what vsts u use...

i used to work a lot with the waves plugin... a cleaver use of them + good taste at pickin sounds could give u incredible results in no time... im not kidding

one could make an incredibly well produced tune in fl...

but.. i have to recognize the default sound rendering capacities of that thing are not that great... i mean.. if u export a dry track with it and u compare it with a dry track made in cubase.. i PROMISE there will be a difference... (ive tried it numerous times... im pretty stressed out)...

I guess the big pro of fl is the promise of having at least one possible way of sounding good (if u know how to tweak it) while still benefiting from a REALLY EASY AND INTUITIVE TOOL... in fact fl studios particular workflow has been the source of many genres.. eg : modern snap music (dunnow if one should feel good about that ).. anyways ... i guess the main argument for using fl is not its sonic capabilites... but i also guess there is not ONE way to mix a track.. its a matter of how elements work together.. and there is a way to tweak good via fl... just as there is a good, but different way, to tweak stuff coming from an analog source


just my two cent...

and yo.. that beat really sucked...

[BaySickLy]

How you gonna work on a DAW that has the term fruity in it? FRUITY?!?? Cmon now... That's like walking into a 1922 Texas Saloon wearing a pink shirt... --all the cowboys are gonna look at ya funny.

Wouldn't you rather use something with the term PRO in it???

Forget about sound quality, what about your reputation!?

[Mr. Wise]

Originally Posted by irthwirm

alt Q to quanitize in piano roll where you should be doing your patterns anywayz to easly adjust by hand if need to. I picked up some good mpc swing presets that work great in my fl studio. Got it from some link off gearsluts but it's been a minute can't remember where. Also you need to change i believe the buffer setting in your audio preferences to get a tighter relationship between your pads/keys and recording midi notes/drums patterns. Maybe someone can be more specific to what it's called.

And where did you get those presets... Pm me Please

[UncommonNonsense]

Originally Posted by BaySickLy

Wouldn't you rather use something with the term PRO in it???

like FL studio pro?

[BaySickLy]

Originally Posted by UncommonNonsense

like FL studio pro?

that's fine and dandy..

All the way up until the point someone asks "what does the FL in FL Studio stand for again?"

if you sub the word loop for repetition and fruity for gay, it reminds you of repetitive gayness.

Who wants to work in a DAW that is synonymous for repetitive gayness.

(I hope all the persecuted FL fans realize I am being sarcastic)

[DAH]

Originally Posted by BaySickLy

that's fine and dandy..

All the way up until the point someone asks "what does the FL in FL Studio stand for again?"

if you sub the word loop for repetition and fruity for gay, it reminds you of repetitive gayness.

Who wants to work in a DAW that is synonymous for repetitive gayness.

(I hope all the persecuted FL fans realize I am being sarcastic)

Being a prick, mind you?

[BaySickLy]

Originally Posted by DAH

Being a prick, mind you?

Just making a dry sarcastic commentary on the cliches of the criticisms floating around out there about this stigmatic DAW that is mostly like any other and is streamlined for Rap while offering actual genre specific workflow benefits compared to other DAWs.

[UncommonNonsense]

Originally Posted by BaySickLy

(I hope all the persecuted FL fans realize I am being sarcastic)

i did

but anyone who rate the product based on the tools being used, instead of just the product based on the product is a ******..

i've seen great art being made with crayons from a toy store and total crap made with the finest oil colors..

and.. i know FL is aiight, so doesnt really count here.. but if a product is made with crappy $2 tools i will respect the maker a lot more than if he made the same with the latest greatest $10k hi-tech tools..

[daslicht]

>pro

Like the buggy PROfools ?

Biggest disadvantage of FL is no adc, which is announced in 9.1 now

I guess thats the main point why some FL stuff sounds weak ...