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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  | Looking for sound advice from a Analog heart!
The biggest problem I have with Digital is that I can not EQ on the fly.
Meaning when I am at a studio with a console I use the EQ's and Compression while I am creating the beat.
I dont like digital filters or any of that kinda stuff I want 16-24 channel of analog EQ and dynamics at my finger tips with 0 latancy.
What am I looking for?
Primal gear is my fav place to look for consoles and I am truly looking at a SSL. You would be suprised at the prices these days and the service they offer is great.
My only concern is maintance.
What I am looking for also has to have charater. IF you listen to Amy Winehouse's CD it sounds like it was mixed on a British Board with lots of live sound.
That is the direction I am going and want a sound that has a original feel to it.
I dont know if her project was mixed ITB or OTB but that sound is HOT!!!!! If it is ITB, what the hell did they use?
Whats out there? and I dont want a Ghost.
Thanks!
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#2 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by Justice  The biggest problem I have with Digital is that I can not EQ on the fly. | Of course you can... I use EQ plugins while making beats all the time.
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont Of course you can... I use EQ plugins while making beats all the time. |
going through a AD converter??
What are you using Pro-Tools? If so, another reason for me to go that way...
bUT, what about Nuendo? With a firewire card? MOTU 828MKII? It works for my style and I can export it to work with Pro-Tools...
What would be nice is if MOTU offered a Digital mixer with EQ and dynamics...
That I would be very interested in......
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Originally Posted by Justice going through a AD converter??
What are you using Pro-Tools? If so, another reason for me to go that way...
bUT, what about Nuendo? With a firewire card? MOTU 828MKII? It works for my style and I can export it to work with Pro-Tools...
What would be nice is if MOTU offered a Digital mixer with EQ and dynamics...
That I would be very interested in...... | I use Logic and use EQ plugins whether going through an AD converter or using virtual instruments. Something like the URS stuff doesn't add any additional delay. Try a demo with your own setup... I'm sure the UAD adds delay, though...
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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I stopped EQing or mixing at all until the beat was laid out and it helped me a ton. I'm really into the unmixed version sounding hot on it's own after spending a lot of time in the studio with a friend who's premixes sound ****ing amazing.
That being said if you have plugs on, in Cubase there is a PDC button you can hit when you are tracking and it kills all the plugs with delay until you hit it again.
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Originally Posted by Methlab I stopped EQing or mixing at all until the beat was laid out and it helped me a ton. I'm really into the unmixed version sounding hot on it's own after spending a lot of time in the studio with a friend who's premixes sound ****ing amazing.
That being said if you have plugs on, in Cubase there is a PDC button you can hit when you are tracking and it kills all the plugs with delay until you hit it again. |
I still lay everything dry on tape, opppssss excuses me, ITB. But I like to be able to build and flip flop back and forth. If I use the PDC button will it send the signal to the AD converts EQed?
I will give it a try.
So it should be the same for Nuendo right?
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont I use Logic and use EQ plugins whether going through an AD converter or using virtual instruments. Something like the URS stuff doesn't add any additional delay. Try a demo with your own setup... I'm sure the UAD adds delay, though... | will do.
Imma start with the 88 eq that will be fun if it works!
I'm excited!
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont I use Logic and use EQ plugins whether going through an AD converter or using virtual instruments. Something like the URS stuff doesn't add any additional delay. Try a demo with your own setup... I'm sure the UAD adds delay, though... | it's compensated for if you use SX.....i think logic has automatic PDC as well. and even if the host doesn't, you can use the UAD delay plug to offset any of that.
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Originally Posted by cynic it's compensated for if you use SX.....i think logic has automatic PDC as well. and even if the host doesn't, you can use the UAD delay plug to offset any of that. | But with the UAD, will the latency be noticed while you are making the beat?
That's the question. Because even with the delay plug, it may do funny things... We shall find out.  | |
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont I use Logic and use EQ plugins whether going through an AD converter or using virtual instruments. Something like the URS stuff doesn't add any additional delay. Try a demo with your own setup... I'm sure the UAD adds delay, though... | tony id like to hear some of your work where can i hear it mostly beats.
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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i found your myspace i hear the music on the highprofile page is that your beats or no.
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont Of course you can... I use EQ plugins while making beats all the time. | Hey Tony, let me know when you've got your hands on the API plugs via Waves. I'm interested on how they stand up, specifically the eqs. I'm contemplating on whether to go the way of a rack product ala the buzz audio MPE1.1 or vsti's via plugs.
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Originally Posted by Versatile255 i found your myspace i hear the music on the highprofile page is that your beats or no. | Yeah, those are my beats...
I think one of them is a freestyle over another artist's instrumental, though... They're just some tracks to put up and let people know I actually make beats, and Jae Jump is a rapper, etc. None of those tracks have even been mixed.... I figure myspace screws up the audio so bad, why bother.. they are just mixtape tracks.
I have some mixing projects being mastered by Chris Athens that will showcase my mixing abilities...
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Originally Posted by boodah Hey Tony, let me know when you've got your hands on the API plugs via Waves. I'm interested on how they stand up, specifically the eqs. I'm contemplating on whether to go the way of a rack product ala the buzz audio MPE1.1 or vsti's via plugs. | I got them... I can post my thoughts later tonight when I have a free minute.
I've already used them on a couple of mixes.
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by TonyBelmont But with the UAD, will the latency be noticed while you are making the beat?
That's the question. Because even with the delay plug, it may do funny things... We shall find out. | nah.....you don't notice it at all. i work like that in FL all day. it's fine.
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Originally Posted by Justice So it should be the same for Nuendo right? | Yep. I always would hit that button before tracking if I had plugs going on.
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter |
(PDC) what does that stand for?
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#18 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by boodah Hey Tony, let me know when you've got your hands on the API plugs via Waves. I'm interested on how they stand up, specifically the eqs. I'm contemplating on whether to go the way of a rack product ala the buzz audio MPE1.1 or vsti's via plugs. | OK... So far, I think they are good plugins.
The thing that bothers me, is that they tried to replicate the hardware right down to the fixed boost/ cut settings. My feeling is, it's a plugin and you don't need to recall them like a hardware EQ... They should be fully adjustable. Fixed frequencies are fine, but I would want continuously adjustable boost/ cut.
Other than that, I think they are pretty good. Just like any plugin, it's not a replacement for the hardware. But, they are another cool flavor to have in the plugin folder.
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Justice (PDC) what does that stand for? | Plug-in Delay Compensation | |
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#20 | | Gear Guru
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Originally Posted by Justice I dont like digital filters or any of that kinda stuff I want 16-24 channel of analog EQ and dynamics at my finger tips with 0 latancy.! | Your only options are an SSL or a modern Neve. Quote:
Originally Posted by Justice What am I looking for?.! | Read above. Quote:
Originally Posted by Justice What I am looking for also has to have charater. IF you listen to Amy Winehouse's CD it sounds like it was mixed on a British Board with lots of live sound.
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SSL's aren't known for their character.
And with the Amy Winehouse CD its hard to hear anything since its been smashed to pieces.
What you do hear are the musical arrangements are done to evoke some nostalgia.
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by thethrillfactor Your only options are an SSL or a modern Neve.
Read above.
SSL's aren't known for their character.
And with the Amy Winehouse CD its hard to hear anything since its been smashed to pieces.
What you do hear are the musical arrangements are done to evoke some nostalgia. | I saw that in the mastering forum, been getting a lot of heat for that..
I have seen people talking bac about the levels....
and after listening to it again on good monitors......
I really see your point.
So it was all great arrangment.
I hear that too.
was it mixed ITB or Out do we know?
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Methlab I'm really into the unmixed version sounding hot on it's own | thumbsup
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Originally Posted by Justice I am truly looking at a SSL. You would be suprised at the prices these days | $60,000 to +$100,000 is a lot of dough, yo.
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