Am I the only one who thinks rap and production was better back when.

YouTube - The Grand Finale - The D.O.C. (ft. Eazy-E & N.W.A.)

Tripping off the man with the swift hand movement. Proving if you're groving then it's cool when he be doing it.

The best verse got cut off. (Well outside of Cube.)

[MorganStudios]

Yes because the production now is better but it all depends on what era your grew up in

The only problem with todays is it's mainly a 4 key melody, but we are more creative and better at sound designing

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

Yes because the production now is better but it all depends on what era your grew up in

The only problem with todays is it's mainly a 4 key melody, but we are more creative and better at sound designing

LOL You think production got better? Maybe I am getting old
I think we are nowhere near here.
YouTube - Dr. Dre, Ice Cube - Natural Born Killaz (Uncensored)

Please name some of these great examples of sound design and creative production.

[Big 3rd]

Grand Finale? Super classic.

Was my favorite song at that particular time.

Today's production can't even compare to that of '96 on back.
Today's production is almost elementary-like. Today, they put more into trying to get a kick or a snare to bang...and who cares about the rest of the production.

It's just the extreme form of lack of imagination...and cookie cutting.

What really kills me is those that attempt to defend it?

But oh well...

To be honest with you, I don't even listen to rap anymore...except from the typical vets that you can trust. As far as this new shit, don't ask me about any new cat that's out, because I'm pretty sure I haven't heard him...and more than likely, I'm probably not missing anything.

[azwun25]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

Yes because the production now is better

the production now sux IMHO. All the records that heads go crazy over sound like overcompressed lifeless shit to me. but in the words of the infamous Tony Soprano.."whaddya-gonna-do?"

[azwun25]

Originally Posted by Big 3rd

To be honest with you, I don't even listen to rap anymore...except from the typical vets that you can trust. As far as this new shit, don't ask me about any new cat that's out, because I'm pretty sure I haven't heard him...and more than likely, I'm probably not missing anything.

i'm with you fam

[deuc647]

Its crazy me and my brother were listening to the radio and put on the you gots to chill cd, and we were like how is this on the radio considered music, its all about gettin the club jumpin and talkin about money cars and females, dont get me wrong i can enjoy it once a year, but to have it constantly in ya ear, naw ill pass, i dont know, maybe im gettin old too, but when i heard that nas and primo are doing an album, i was hype, when i heard that epmd is doing another album, im gettin real hype, it sux cuz i even think redman has fallen off, his lyrical content on his latest cd doesnt touch what he said in doc 2000

[Apex]

You know they say different strokes for different folks...


Those Eazy-E, NWA and DRE(The Chronic) were all classics, pioneered the rap game.

Now fast forward to recent years and I think the sound is obviously on a different level, digital vs analog, software, hardware intertwined, so it just
depends on what your flavor is...but...

Personally I don't think has to do with production as far rap sounding boo boo lately as much as it is the rappers that just plain have a lack of substance. Its so watered down that your gettin one hit wonder after another. I think this hurts the credibility of production, considering production(if thats what you mean) is more than just making a beat. As long as the production bangs in the club thats all that matters. Songs I hate sound a lot better after a few drinks and my girl dancin in front me to it. Sorry if I went a little off topic but that my opinion.

[MorganStudios]

Even Dr Dre production got better

[Jahrome]

Easy E, NWA, and Dre Dre pioneered the rap game? Hip-hop on record was going on 10 years before that.

I believe Hip-hop production has gotten better but the content of the music has suffered. While everybody sounds the same today, back in the 80s, there were no such problems. Being original is one thing that got you respect.

OK for the guys saying hip hop production is better.

Where are the examples. Name the songs.

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

I believe Hip-hop production has gotten better but the content of the music has suffered. While everybody sounds the same today, back in the 80s, there were no such problems. Being original is one thing that got you respect.

very true

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

OK for the guys saying hip hop production is better.

Where are the examples. Name the songs.

Name 5 producers from back in the day besides Dre and I would name 5 from this era that will shit on them

[Akronut]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

more creative

Thats a joke, right?

[Sirocco]

i liked the darkchild era when he did stuff for brandy, monica, and michael jackson and destinys child

it was really classy top notch stuff..

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

While everybody sounds the same today, back in the 80s, there were no such problems. Being original is one thing that got you respect.

I guess you weren't around the rap game in the 70's or 80's.

Even in the 80's you had people that reminisced about the old skool vs. the new skool. How the old skool was better because it came from a real place(Djs,block partys &the streets) as opposed to the new stuff which was polished and created in the studio.

This argument has always existed.

And guess what?

You had wack rappers,singing over wack tracks. You had guys that you would consider total sellouts back then which are revered today. For every Afrika Bambatta you had Planet Patrol. For every Run DMC you had the Fat Boys.(Back then even Dela Soul & a Tribe Called Quest were considered soft). Its the whole thing of whatever is old is better or authentic. Whatever is new has no substance.

My suggestion is don't think to hard or waste your time on it. Do your music and enjoy it because it comes from a good place. There is nothing really original anywhere. Someone else has already done it. Its just that they get it out first and people buy into it.

Trust me i've been there seen it and heard it.

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

Name 5 producers from back in the day besides Dre and I would name 5 from this era that will shit on them

Damn man I just asked that you name a few songs. Why so confrontational? Why do people have to get shit on LOL?

But if you insist

DJ Quick
Easy Mo B
The Bomb Squad
Mike Dean
Organized Noize

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

Damn man I just asked that you name a few songs. Why so confrontational. Why do people have to get shit on LOL?

But if you insist

DJ Quick
Easy Mo B
The Bomb Squad
Mike Dean
Organized Noize

DJ Premier and Erick Sermon.

[sethdk]

my grandfather believes "all music after 1975 suck!" Bobby Womack is the king to him.

IMHO, people tend to believe the music they lived when they were growin up or in high school or college was the best ever because it coincided with the best time of their lives.

Your average "working 9-5 on a day job" dude thinks all music sucks since he was in the best time of his life.

The internet has killed the music industry more than helped. Before u had to be hot and have a hot record to be heard in the street, clubs, & radio. A built in filter. Now anyone with an email dj list, CD duplicator, a Youtube video, and a myspace page can spam u his whack garbage all day long.

To me 1992-1996 was best era ever in hip hop. I was also in High School. I also thought 98-2000 (dmx, rr, cam, mop, chronic 2001, etc) was great too. I happend to be in college at the time.

Originally Posted by sethdk

my grandfather believes "all music after 1975 suck!" Bobby Womack is the king to him.

IMHO, people tend to believe the music they lived when they were growin up or in high school or college was the best ever because it coincided with the best time of their lives.

Your average "working 9-5 on a day job" dude thinks all music sucks since he was in the best time of his life. Especially if he wants to be a producer or involved in the music industry and hasnt gotten that opportunity yet.

The internet has killed the music industry more than helped. Before u had to be hot and have a hot record to be heard in the street, clubs, & radio. A built in filter. Now anyone with an email dj list, CD duplicator, a Youtube video, and a myspace page can spam u his whack garbage all day long.

For all those who think music sucks nowadays it should be real easy for u to get in and take over the game because a hot record is a hot record in any climate.

Well I'd hate to sound like your grandfather, but with a bunch of the greats passing away in the last few years. And others getting up in age. It aint far fetched to say music has taken a bit of a step backwards.

But then you may think when Patti and Anita die they can be replaced by Mary J.

I agree with your line of thinking where everyone thinks their era of music that matched a good time in life is better.

But I think we have seen a shift thats not totally explained by that.

[illynoise]

I can remember when rap production had melody. I think r&b producers used to produce more hip hop, now it's more knuckleheads!

[sethdk]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

Well I'd hate to sound like your grandfather, but with a bunch of the greats passing away in the last few years. And others getting up in age. It aint far fetched to say music has taken a bit of a step backwards.

But then you may think when Patti and Anita die they can be replaced by Mary J

I think back in the days people lived with their artists and grew up with them. industry was impossible to get in and artists stayed out for like 10-20 years. they became a part of your life. Their albums stayed out for 2 /3 years with like 10 singles off each album.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

Well I'd hate to sound like your grandfather, but with a bunch of the greats passing away in the last few years. And others getting up in age. It aint far fetched to say music has taken a bit of a step backwards.

But then you may think when Patti and Anita die they can be replaced by Mary J

Law 41 of the 48 Laws of Power:


Law 41
Avoid Stepping into a Great Man’s Shoes
What happens first always appears better and more original than what comes after. If you succeed a great man or have a famous parent, you will have to accomplish double their achievements to outshine them. Do not get lost in their shadow, or stuck in a past not of your own making: Establish your own name and identity by changing course. Slay the overbearing father, disparage his legacy, and gain power by shining in your own way.

[sethdk]

Originally Posted by illynoise

I can remember when rap production had melody. I think r&b producers used to produce more hip hop, now it's more knuckleheads!

Down south production is all about melody. 100% about melody. But.. the hip hop gatekeepers refuse to acknowledge it because it aint what they grew up with.

As a lil one in the 80's i remember my bro listenin to everything from 3rd base to dana dane to jazzy jeff and fresh price but i thought that was corny.

Point is the word hip hop didnt mean one thing. Different chambers of hip hop were respected even if it wasnt your thing.

Originally Posted by sethdk

I think back in the days people lived with their artists and grew up with them. industry was impossible to get in and artists stayed out for like 10-20 years. they became a part of your life. Their albums stayed out for 2 /3 years with like 10 singles off each album.

I agree, but it also required better artists to stay the test of time. There are very few artists out today that I'd want to have around for 20 years. (But there are a few).

[sethdk]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Law 41 of the 48 Laws of Power:


Law 41
Avoid Stepping into a Great Man’s Shoes
What happens first always appears better and more original than what comes after. If you succeed a great man or have a famous parent, you will have to accomplish double their achievements to outshine them. Do not get lost in their shadow, or stuck in a past not of your own making: Establish your own name and identity by changing course. Slay the overbearing father, disparage his legacy, and gain power by shining in your own way.

perfect thumbsup

I agree, but it also required better artists to stay the test of time

Better or fewer? I wish we could go back to fewer but we got what we asked for- success for street music

Originally Posted by sethdk

Down south production is all about melody. 100% about melody. But.. the hip hop gatekeepers refuse to acknowledge it because it aint what they grew up with.

As a lil one in the 80's i remeber my bro listenin to everything from 3rd base to dana dane to jazzy jeff and fresh price but i thought that was corny.

Point is the word hip hop didnt mean one thing. Different chambers of hip hop were respected even if it wasnt your thing.

Which Down South production? (I'm asking because there are big differences in what people speak of when they say that).

I'm not one of the hip hop gatekeepers. I'm from NEW ORLEANS.

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Law 41 of the 48 Laws of Power:


Law 41
Avoid Stepping into a Great Man’s Shoes
What happens first always appears better and more original than what comes after. If you succeed a great man or have a famous parent, you will have to accomplish double their achievements to outshine them. Do not get lost in their shadow, or stuck in a past not of your own making: Establish your own name and identity by changing course. Slay the overbearing father, disparage his legacy, and gain power by shining in your own way.

OK so Mary can sing with Patti and she just looks less original because Patti came first

[Akronut]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

You had wack rappers,singing over wack tracks. You had guys that you would consider total sellouts back then which are revered today. For every Afrika Bambatta you had Planet Patrol. For every Run DMC you had the Fat Boys.(Back then even Dela Soul & a Tribe Called Quest were considered soft).

This is true. But what this means is there was a BALANCE of all sorts of types of hiphop. Today there is NO balance. Where are the Bambaataa, Public Enemy, Poor Righteoues Teachers, Main Source, Stetsasonic, Digital Underground, Pharcyde, Cypruss Hill (and 100s of more) of today?

If hiphop was in the same mindstate back then we wouldnt had the diversity, we'd have 500 public enemy's and 500 pharcyde clones back then instead. But no, alot more artists back then went for originality and the media allowed it and promoted it.

Beeing original and dope today equals no contract and no respect.

[Akronut]

Originally Posted by sethdk

As a lil one in the 80's i remember my bro listenin to everything from 3rd base to dana dane to jazzy jeff and fresh price but i thought that was corny.

Dirty south is by FAR the most corny thing to have infested hiphop.