Mpc or akai mpd with Resaon

[DanDolo]

follow your heart

[goldenlotus]

I use reason right now. I'm about buy the mpd. You won't get the feel of the mpc but reason has a sound of it's own. If you like it, buy the mpd. It's cheap!

[abstract]

What kind of computer? Will it be able to handle the processing power? I think you should see whats more comfortable for you. In some cases its all about the individual and what makes you comfortable composing your music.

[cynic one]

why not wait it out for a $500-ish mpc1k on ebay? the mpd is what, $200? then use the mpc together with reason. nothing's stopping you from doing that.

.....i had a set of MPD pads. flipped em on ebay, bought a mpc1k. it's cool to sample with, and you can still use it as a midi controller.

and if you ever want to make beats on the mpc, then dump em into reason or a more capable DAW later on.

[gb-jazz]

I just stored my MPC 4k away for safe keeping after picking up a MPD 24. It kicks ass. If I was starting from scratch in 2007 I would probably go straight to software for sequencing. Although I think Reason is kind of weak compared to full fledged recording software. PT, Logic, Cubase, Digital Performer, ect... with these programs the sky is the limit. If you intentionally want to limit yourself(and some do!) stick to reason or just a MPC or ASR. But if you want to break new ground and do something different get a true sequencer-recording program and get down to it. my 2 cents

[Versatile255]

i decided im gonna go Mpc was watching a couple videos on youtube and just said hell no getting a mpc but yea im buying the mpc of ebay gettin the 1k this week.

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by Versatile255

i decided im gonna go Mpc was watching a couple videos on youtube and just said hell no getting a mpc but yea im buying the mpc of ebay gettin the 1k this week.

I did the same thing you'll be waisting your money buying the mpc

You wont be able to use the different patches on the mpc in reason, reason doesn't allow outside gear....Get the mpd16, and set the cc's because when your ready to use your kits your gonna have to load them thru the reddrum

[AON]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

I did the same thing you'll be waisting your money buying the mpc

You wont be able to use the different patches on the mpc in reason, reason doesn't allow outside gear....Get the mpd16, and set the cc's because when your ready to use your kits your gonna have to load them thru the reddrum

I´m not sure i know understand what you mean but you can slave Reason to the MPC, use Reason´s soundbank as a multi-timbral sound module etc.

[Versatile255]

I Dont Know What hes talkin bout either because i said i barely use reason i have a motif so i dont need reason

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by Versatile255

I Dont Know What hes talkin bout either because i said i barely use reason i have a motif so i dont need reason

Nevermind I thought you were going to use the mpc in Reason

using midi hook the Motif into the MPC or vica versa, the use a program like Cubase,Logic or Pro Tools to track it out

[Versatile255]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

Nevermind I thought you were going to use the mpc in Reason

using midi hook the Motif into the MPC or vica versa, the use a program like Cubase,Logic or Pro Tools to track it out

about that how would i track like every track seperately on protools like every sound or wav on seperate channels.

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by Versatile255

about that how would i track like every track seperately on protools like every sound or wav on seperate channels.

Not sure because I only use Reason, but if Pro Tools has rewire you can probably open each sound in a different track in Pro Tools that way

[AnAverageJoe]

I Have All 3 and I tend to use reason a bit more, because I can do something real quick and save it and not have to track it out... I love the MPC but I only use it when someone is paying me real money for a beat but other than that I just use reason to do some quick sequences

[Versatile255]

i get what you guysmean but remember im using the motif for sounds not vst so i was just gonna use reason for sampling or drums. ive decided to go mpc.

[6dyslexicelephnt]

I vote MPC

I have the MPC 2000XL with a flash drive and 8 outs and it's pretty radical. Working on a computer may be easier but it's less fun and less tactile. I feel just like a little kid when I bang on those big squishy pads.

So you could just get the midi controller right? Screw that. Everything made on a computer sounds the same. Personally I really like what the MPC does to the sound. I don't know if it compresses it or gates sampled sounds but it makes everything sound really tight. I put some 707 samples into it and they ended up sounding tighter and crisper. Couldn't say the same for the electribe I used to have which is now broken...

[Krumbz]

I use my MPC 1000 as a trigger for the sounds in Reason (usually Redrum). When I have my "basic" song and arrangement I will ReWire it from Reason into Pro Tools for audio seqencing. I apply no effects in Reason. Pro Tools and the various plug ins I have seem more powerful and professional.

Once everything is in Reason... and I have the tempos etc... I open the input that my MPC 1000 is on... on a track and continue to add sounds... from the MPC or from any soft synths/samplers. They are all triggered via the MPC.

I think the combination that I use to create my music is just deadly. I also own the Fantom and the Motif ES Rack. I use the Fantom and the MPC as controllers and slave everything else.... my Virus TI Desktop and any soft synths etc.

The MPC works great along with Reason... (once you set the Midi Values from the MPC pads to match the Midi Values in Redrum etc). Plus I get the added bonus of using the MPC's own sounds and "groove" when I add sounds to my arrangement via Pro Tools.

I love both, my MPC 1000 and Reason and wouldn't change it for the world. I like options.... this is the way to go.

Kop both and Pro Tools LE... connect everything RIGHT via USB or Midi... and thank me later.

Trust.

Goodluck fam.

[Versatile255]

Originally Posted by Krumbz

I use my MPC 1000 as a trigger for the sounds in Reason (usually Redrum). When I have my "basic" song and arrangement I will ReWire it from Reason into Pro Tools for audio seqencing. I apply no effects in Reason. Pro Tools and the various plug ins I have seem more powerful and professional.

Once everything is in Reason... and I have the tempos etc... I open the input that my MPC 1000 is on... on a track and continue to add sounds... from the MPC or from any soft synths/samplers. They are all triggered via the MPC.

I think the combination that I use to create my music is just deadly. I also own the Fantom and the Motif ES Rack. I use the Fantom and the MPC as controllers and slave everything else.... my Virus TI Desktop and any soft synths etc.

The MPC works great along with Reason... (once you set the Midi Values from the MPC pads to match the Midi Values in Redrum etc). Plus I get the added bonus of using the MPC's own sounds and "groove" when I add sounds to my arrangement via Pro Tools.

I love both, my MPC 1000 and Reason and wouldn't change it for the world. I like options.... this is the way to go.

Kop both and Pro Tools LE... connect everything RIGHT via USB or Midi... and thank me later.

Trust.

Goodluck fam.

ima get back to you when i buy the mpc i was gonna buy 1k but thinking of gettin a 2kxl in blue juust getting blue because they seam to look newer on ebay.

[bruceferraudi]

Originally Posted by Krumbz

I use my MPC 1000 as a trigger for the sounds in Reason (usually Redrum). When I have my "basic" song and arrangement I will ReWire it from Reason into Pro Tools for audio seqencing. I apply no effects in Reason. Pro Tools and the various plug ins I have seem more powerful and professional.

Once everything is in Reason... and I have the tempos etc... I open the input that my MPC 1000 is on... on a track and continue to add sounds... from the MPC or from any soft synths/samplers. They are all triggered via the MPC.

I think the combination that I use to create my music is just deadly. I also own the Fantom and the Motif ES Rack. I use the Fantom and the MPC as controllers and slave everything else.... my Virus TI Desktop and any soft synths etc.

The MPC works great along with Reason... (once you set the Midi Values from the MPC pads to match the Midi Values in Redrum etc). Plus I get the added bonus of using the MPC's own sounds and "groove" when I add sounds to my arrangement via Pro Tools.

I love both, my MPC 1000 and Reason and wouldn't change it for the world. I like options.... this is the way to go.

Kop both and Pro Tools LE... connect everything RIGHT via USB or Midi... and thank me later.

Trust.

Goodluck fam.

I primarily use an MPC1000, Novation K-Station and Motif ES 61 key for composing and really enjoy the simplicity and sound quality of these units. I have my DAW (Studio One, Sonar and Reaper) and Reason on one computer and E-MU Emulator X/1212M as my dedicated sampler/sound module on another computer. I've used Reason alot but quit using it when I got the Motif...I'd basically just like to have the option to integrate the two computers as slave sound modules to the MPC1000 and/or Motif and keep everything in SYNC.

My question is how do you have your gear setup being that the MPC1000 only has 2 Midi OUT and the Fantom/Motif 1 Midi Out? How does everything stay inSYNC with the MPC1000/Motif? (Details would really help-Ive been doing this about 7 years-I have some knowledge of MIDI, etc.)

I basically want to use the MPC1000 as my dedicated master hardware sequencer and continue to use the Motif ES and Novation K-Station as the slaves via midi like I have setup now but how do I integrate this with the 2 computers without changing the current setup? Right now I use the computer strictly for recording with a Presonus Firestudio and any DAW-Studio One, Reaper, Sonar, etc...

[Guy Gabriel]

Never tried an MPC but I can't imagine it beats a good DAW + Battery 3 + MPD combination.
No way an MPC beats that and I don't care how many hits were made with it.
Reason is cool too but as I said: DAW (Cubase for me), Battery 3 and MPD is the way to go for me.

If hip-hop would be invented today with all we have today, nobody would get an MPC IMO.

[pdiddy boy]

Originally Posted by Guy Gabriel

Never tried an MPC but I can't imagine it beats a good DAW + Battery 3 + MPD combination.
No way an MPC beats that and I don't care how many hits were made with it.
Reason is cool too but as I said: DAW (Cubase for me), Battery 3 and MPD is the way to go for me.

If hip-hop would be invented today with all we have today, nobody would get an MPC IMO.

The key line is "never tried an MPC". All I'm saying is try it, and find out why its been the tool behind many hit records of the past.

...and I don't think anyone would love for Hiphop to be invented in 2009/10. Otherwise its Uffie Pop the glock from here on. lol

[maestrothugg]

Originally Posted by pdiddy boy

The key line is "never tried an MPC". All I'm saying is try it, and find out why its been the tool behind many hit records of the past.

...and I don't think anyone would love for Hiphop to be invented in 2009/10. Otherwise its Uffie Pop the glock from here on. lol

nah...

i got an 88 and a mp and they're nice but if you got the licks to work reason and u got refills, everything else is second best

the problem with a daw is that there are no limits you find yourself doing too much, where the mp you feel restricted (its a feeling bred by weak polyphony) and is actually better for the track

i got a mpd24 cost me 100$ and it really fit the bill... so do yourself a favor and bypass the hardware sequencing stage, you'll just end up in reason sooner or later... and you can't make postmodern hiphop on an mp... that's why all the new sht* blows they try to do shit on an mp that it just wasn't bred for. its uses, quite simply, are for one purpose only: sampling records and arranging chops around a beat

you can't sequence a synth on an mp its just not right

it needs all the tweaky shit you can only get in a daw

do yourself a favor get some lotion and rid yourself of that gearlust, it's just not worth it today; instead spend the money on a good mic and preamp, and some quality mixing/mastering gear... because you will make a lot of tracks when you first start out, most of them will suck. that's the game... welcome to hell.

[pdiddy boy]

Originally Posted by maestrothug

the problem with a daw is that there are no limits you find yourself doing too much

Totally agree

Originally Posted by maestrothug

do yourself a favor and bypass the hardware sequencing stage, you'll just end up in reason sooner or later... and you can't make postmodern hiphop on an mp... that's why all the new sht* blows they try to do shit on an mp that it just wasn't bred for. its uses, quite simply, are for one purpose only: sampling records and arranging chops around a beat.

I also kind of agree with this too, except actually I think alot of new sh*t is solely DAW based... which is why it blows. If your DAW based I think your less likely to come outside the box to process your sounds and give them that extra punch via outboard gear. Also I think I need to clarify something... I only advocate MPC's for drum programming and sample chopping. Everything else should be left to a DAW and although combining the two can be time consuming you can reap the rewards. But hey, different courses for different horses whatever you make good music with is good for you !

[NPursuitOfPrfxn]

MPC pros
1) Very, very warm analog sound. I have never heard any piece of production gear that sounds as warm.
2)If you own a production facility that you rent to rap and hip/hop clients, you'll definitely want to have one on hand as it is a "go to" for many leading producers and enthusiasts alike.

MPC cons
1) Sloppy (for lack of better words) edits. But not absolutely a bad thing. In many cases (more often than not, for what you would be using an MPC to do) the lack of perfect editing yields to its analog sounding nature. However, in other cases where you need to be extremely precise, the MPC won't cut it like a PC based production app like Reason will.
2) No keyboard. But has the ability to accept midi input.
3) Lack of ability when it comes to originality. The MPC's strong point is sampling, not original music creation.
4) Screens go bad after a few years. With a PC, you just buy a new monitor for small $ from ebay. You'll have to send off your precious hardware which might contain your precious files to get the MPC screen fixed. Especially if it shorts out before you can backup, and nobody wants a 3rd party sorting through their uncopyrighted, creation stage material.
5) Limited routing and FX.

REASON Pros
1) Clean and precise editing with graphical display that is presented in front of you instead of having to stare down into a small screen, hence the MPC.
2) Works equally well in Sampling and Original Music Creation.
3) The wiring interface gives you extreme routing capability and your effects are unlimited unless you have a slow PC.

REASON Cons
1) Would be complete if it had a spectrum analyzer; but neither does the MPC have one. However, you'd expect a computer app to have one. In order to remedy this, you have to connect it (Rewire) to an app that does.
2) Not as warm and analog sounding naturally, but with extra effort and know how, it can be made to sound quite warm indeed.
3) No VST support; but neither does the MPC.

All-in-all, if you have to have just one, I'd say go with reason, but if you can get both, then do so. If you buy the MPC first, then you will have only a box that does nothing spectacular until you load samples into it. Reason comes equipped with two types of samplers (w/ lots of samples to choose from), has multiple synthesizers, and has unlimited FX. The MPC really doesn't compare when you have to choose just one. So, buy Reason, and then when you can, buy an MPC and use them in tandem.

[pdiddy boy]

^^^^^

Can I also add every MPC era has its own sound and feel, so from the MPC 60 up to the MPC 5000 you also have the headache of deciding which one has the right feel and work flow for you. This can be another disadvantage.

[jbrown1music]

get the mpc if u have the money. it will last u forever cause its sound is timeless. mpc been around since beginning and aint going nowhere. in the future u may want to get into sampling with hardware. i use mpc with reason and a axiom controller. reason and mpc together is all u need. u can sample and play keys around it

[maestrothugg]

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[JaeOne3345]

Originally Posted by maestrothug

you can't sequence a synth on an mp its just not right

what the hell u talkin' about?

Never heard of battlecat? LOL.

This forum is hilarious.

[Technician]

I think the MPC is a gritty old dinosaur and it's a great thing to have. NOT as you MAIN sequencer or midi-controller, though.

I would have the MPC almost as a novelty, to be honest. The one thing I never saw anyone mention was that Ableton live and an MPD seems to be able to clone that MPC sound almost perfectly.

I personally use Cubase with an Akai midi keyboard. After some analog synths and a few rack units and an assload of VST's AT THAT POINT I could see the MPC as a good unit to have.

Let's be honest, there's alot easier ways to work now. Battery, GrooveAgent, etc. It makes it easier to get a clean drum track sequenced and you can quantize/unquantize/swing/drum roll/snare flams... whatever you want. You can still play things by hand to give it the loose feel, or you can go completely quantized electronic feel. Your choice. Velocity, etc. it all still applies.

Yes the pads on the MPC are nicer. Get over it. You can change the velocity of the individual hits in midi. Just get the samples into the PC in the spot you want them.

You can do things lightning fast if you've got the right PC.

I had an MPC2000xl, zip drives, MPC60, MPC3000, you name it. I had a Korg Triton Studio 88key, and was all on the Triton and MPC and then into cool edit / reason / fruity and then finally protools before I took a few years off from production.

I came back into it all ITB and would never go back.

[CRACKPIPE]

Originally Posted by JaeOne3345

what the hell u talkin' about?

Never heard of battlecat? LOL.

This forum is hilarious.

Seriously! I always sequence synths w/ my MPC. I have no idea who told dude that. It's called midi, LEARN IT!


It's my main sequencer so **** the bullshit. Imagine how amazing the sequencer was in the MPC3000 when it came out. It still rocks. Half my songs don't even have samples but sure enough my mpc triggers synths and VIs.

The cool thing about the mpc3000 sequencer is you have to use your ears, not your eyes. Novel concept, I know.