logic Pro 7 or Cubase 4

[MorganStudios]

which one is better for music production, and does Logic accept vst's

[Ken Lewis]

I vote Logic Pro. I think VST's work in Logic if you have a conversion program.

[Sleepytime]

i vote logic too. i was a Cubase user in OS 9 but I use Logic now. I like the workflow a lot better.

[Wiggum, Ralph]

Another Logic Pro fan. The workflow suited my taste more

[dementedchord]

well i'll vote cubase... but really dude your missing the point.... what you have to do is fugure out which is best for you not us.... get your hands on both before you make your decision... your not gonna get shit done if you cant wrap YOUR brain around it...

[MorganStudios]

I used demo of both, but I got one question does logic allow vsts

[edIT]

Logic Does not accept VST's but you can use a VST to AU wrapper which will pretty much do the trick on 99% of VST plugins out there. I own both Logic 7 and Cubase 4 and Cubase SX 3. I think it all depends on how you go about producing a tune. I think pound for pound Logic is the best out of the box DAW there is. The plugins alone are worth the price you pay for it. Cubase definitely does not have as good stock plugins. Also if you predominantly write music all in a MIDI format Logic is well laid out for those functions and has a really good way of laying out automation both MIDI and plugin / mixer automation. It has better automation curves etc..... than what Cubase has to offer. However I use Cubase for 90% of my productions and although it doesn't shine as well out of the box I like it much more from a functional standpoint. First and foremost I find it way better to edit audio in Cubase than in Logic. Since a lot of my productions are done my arranging and chopping audio on a grid, and also being a former PT user of 8 or so years, Cubase has greater depth when it comes to editing audio. In some ways I kind of look at it as PT on steroids when it comes to audio editing. Also...... if you do a lot of non realtime processing like audio suite processing etc....... You can assign quickeys for all your favorite plugs and instantly process effects at the touch of a button. These are just a couple of the many differences both of these DAW's have. It would be wrong to say one is better than the other. They are both beasts. It just depends on how you work and what tools you like to use. The audio engine also sounds great in both.

[flame]

Im using Logic Express still, but i think Logic have a faster workflow. It covers all styles of music sequencing I guess.

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by flame

Im using Logic Express still, but i think Logic have a faster workflow. It covers all styles of music sequencing I guess.

I'm getting Logic 8 when it releases for recording, but untill then Im going to use cuabse for production and recording,

[Unknown03]

Damn, I guess Logic is only for Mac OS...

but everyone is right, it all depends which one suites you best; between Cakewalk Sonar 6 and Acid Pro - I get more shit done with acid in half the time

[Iron Monkee]

for mac i would prefere logic!!! if you are a pc user then take cubase sx!!! forget all those converters from vst to au they just take the power out of your engine!!!
cubase sx doesn't support sidechain function!!! i heard cubase 4 does but it has sirius problems with vst's. cubase 4 does only support vst3 so all your plug ins has to be in vst3. most of my plugins doesn't support that vst style so i stay with cubase sx!!!

[edIT]

Originally Posted by Iron Monkee

cubase 4 does only support vst3 so all your plug ins has to be in vst3.

To clarify...... Cubase 4 supports VST.2.2 and higher. Currently the only VST 3 plugs are the ones that come in Cubase 4.

[wildpark]

on mac logic

on pc cubase or some other goodys...

patrick

[AnonJack]

Logic over Cubase...Logic comes with a lot of great instruments.

I'd give PT a seriously look though. With their AIR virtual instruments and new MIDI integration, combined with the known audio capabilities...I'd say it's the best all-around platform now. I don't use my MPC and Reason nearly as much anymore. The AIR instruments are crazy...unfortunately you have to buy them separately.

[H-Rezz]

Another vote for Logic Pro .......

[wildpark]

mhh the instruments in logic are a extra but you have too learn too deal with it

time is money !

all this programms made with differend ground ideas so protools is more made as a mixing solution logic and cubase comming more from sequenzing both are growing more too become one but still growing !

1.logic for sequenzing or cubase in pc

2.protools tdm or nuendo for mixing

have tried protools le but it sucks with timing problems better go with logic or cubase and freeze tracks.

patrick

[Krumbz]

Every sequencer has its pros and cons.

BUT... IMO... Pro Tools is the best all around sequencer. Hands down.

1. The quality and build of the program is second to none.
2. May not have as many 3rd party plug ins but Digidesigns are near flawless.
3. Steeper learning curve then other Sequencers but down the line as you progress you'll see the potential and how powerful PT really is.
4. 95% of all Major Studios around the world use PT as there go to sequencer. If you ever have to deal with a big name client or producer then it makes it much easier to share PT sessions.
5. Thanx to FXpansions VST wrapper you can download thousands (if you want) of FREE VST'S and apply them in Pro Tools.

The only... and it's not quite as bad as others may have you believe... shortcoming... would be in the Midi area. It's not as intuitive as other sequencers but I think that will be a thing of the past when PT 8 drops. It's still a very strong, capable Midi sequencer but it can be a bit "fickle" at times.

I completely endorse Pro Tools. I have LE and its a breeze to work with. Besides having that latency with my Liquid Mix... I have no complaints.

Good luck!

[MorganStudios]

It's more production really I just wanted to kno if Logic allowed VST's
but since it doesn't forget it

and Logic is better than Pro Tools the only thing thats makes pro tool better is the equipment

[Ken Lewis]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

It's more production really I just wanted to kno if Logic allowed VST's
but since it doesn't forget it

and Logic is better than Pro Tools the only thing thats makes pro tool better is the equipment

you can run Logic on just about any interface. I run one of my Logic setups on an HD Accel 4 system with both 192 and apogee interfaces. I run one of my other Logic rigs on a Digi 002 interface (this interface sounds like ass), and i run my thrid Logic setup on an Apogee PSX 100 (2 in/2 out which is all i need for that rig), and a Hammerfall card.

I'd reverse your statement and say that one of the things that hinders pro tools is that it MUST use Digi or M Audio interfaces, which prevent pro tools from running on much better and sometimes cheaper third party interfaces

[kojo]

I've played logic pro at the Apple Store, a few times and I have much more experience with Cubase. I dig Cubase's midi sequencing and audio-recording workflow a little more but Logic has better plugins out the box. Cubase also can be pretty buggy compared to other stuff I've used...

[6dyslexicelephnt]

I like logic

cubase feels counter intuitive to me but I'm still pretty new to this

if I didn't need midi, i would take garageband over cubase

[parkay909]

Its tough for me to say. I am partial to the hardware sequencer + pro tools hd...
Between logic and cubase heres some things to consider

1. They are both much harder to use than pro tools, especially if you are used to PT and are trying to move over to logic or cubase.

2. Moving sessions from logic to pro tools or nuendo is a complete pain in the ace. You have to do what's called "freeze tracks" which is tedious and annoying. Cubase offers you the option to output OMF files which are like universal sessions. Logic can import OMF but not export. In true Apple computer style, they want you to be locked in to using their product only.

3. Do they even make digital performer anymore?

4. Try the demos of each. I think cubase's shortcuts are closer to pro tools than logic's.

5. Logic and cubase are midi-oriented whereas pro tools is audio oriented. Editing audio in logic is a nightmare, and is completely counter-intuitive. Its easier in cubase but easiest in pro tools. Just about any good synth plug-in will run on all 3 platforms.

6. Pro Tool's sequencer isnt that bad. In fact its ok, especially if you are used to MPC-style sequencing. It treats MIDI like an audio track in many ways, which is great if you come from an engineering background. Also the newer versions of pro tools load synths on their own special synth tracks now just like logic or cubase so thats one advantage those programs no longer have over pro tools.l Im not sure what the pro tools timing problem mentioned earlier is about, perhaps it was a slow computer? I have worked on sessions where pro tools was locked to DASH, and synch video and board automation with no problems... Ive done other sessions where it was locked to an MPC with both SMPTE and MTC with no hiccups. I have even locked tools to 2"analog, DASH and SSL4000G+ computer (all at once)with the SSL as the master....

7. See number 4 - try the demos and see which one works best for you.

[parkay909]

Also forgot to mention if you plan on tracking vocals too then forget logic. I had to mix an all audio (ie no MIDI) project that was brought to me as a logic session. It was hell trying to work at their spot on their logic box.

I eventually froze all the tracks and brought them home to my pro tools HD rig. That was an other nightmare. It took about 3 or 4 tries for each song before logic decided to freeze the tracks properly. It's audio sounded like crap too, I'm not sure if it was logic or the firepod or a crappy engineer. Probably a combo of the three.

Edits that would take me 3-4 seconds in pro tools were taking 5-10 min for me to do in logic.

[district78]

I've used Logic and Cubase extensively, and they both have nice features and problems. If you're looking for useful plugins out of the box, then Logic is the way to go. I think cubase is a little cleaner in its implementation, but lacks in the instrument department.
I'm sure Logic people will get mad at this statement, but I think Logic is counterintuitive to most people who haven't used a lot of midi gear. The setup is a pain and there are some quarks that make it very difficult to just jump into. However, once you've gotten used to the stupid parts of Logic, like most logic users have, it's a great program to work with.
Cubase integrates audio and midi pretty well. If you don't mind buying additional plugins, Cubase is a great environment to work in.
Here's my opinion:
-Get Logic if you're doing a lot of midi and don't want to buy other instruments.
-Get Pro Tools if you're using mostly audio.
-Get Cubase if you're using both a lot.

[cynic one]

i used to own logic. i sold it because i got sick of messing around with the environment and the piano roll (they call it matrix edit i think) was lacking.

i love sx3....my vote is for cubase. audio editing and comping takes in cubase/nuendo is dead easy too. real flexible.

[MorganStudios]

Originally Posted by district78

I've used Logic and Cubase extensively, and they both have nice features and problems. If you're looking for useful plugins out of the box, then Logic is the way to go. I think cubase is a little cleaner in its implementation, but lacks in the instrument department.
I'm sure Logic people will get mad at this statement, but I think Logic is counterintuitive to most people who haven't used a lot of midi gear. The setup is a pain and there are some quarks that make it very difficult to just jump into. However, once you've gotten used to the stupid parts of Logic, like most logic users have, it's a great program to work with.
Cubase integrates audio and midi pretty well. If you don't mind buying additional plugins, Cubase is a great environment to work in.
Here's my opinion:
-Get Logic if you're doing a lot of midi and don't want to buy other instruments.
-Get Pro Tools if you're using mostly audio.
-Get Cubase if you're using both a lot.

I not gonna use sounds that came with the program and as for mastering and stuff I'm getting waves diamonds bundle

[PettyCash]

I work with both Mac and PC setups. (PT/Logic on the Mac Pro, Nuendo on the PC)

If I'm not working with Pro Tools when Im on the Mac, Im working with Nuendo 3 on the PC.
Logic Im just too lazy to even bother getting into, my studio/business partner and our new assistant producer/engineer mess around with that.

With Nuendo when it comes to plugins, I rely strickly on waves diamond bundle, and the SSL Bundle to do the job.

I find that if you're not using PT with its great plugins, and your not using logic with its great plugins, you definitely gotta try using Nuendo 3 with waves.

It can be considered a better choice than cubase Sx 3 for guys who want to use it back and forth with PT or Logic, because the looks and handling of it feels more professional, right down to the mixer. Nuendo also contains some extra power and functionality over Cubase in terms of post production use, making it better for mixing/mastering.

Nuendo is considered one of the industry standard choices in post production, so thats no surprise.

I have pondered trying Waves in the TDM version, anyone here have any experiences with using Waves TDM plugins?

[illacov]

Rock solid performance, decent load time.

Nice layout, its pretty quick

I think that Pro Tools is just as useful, but Im not going to buy those POS interfaces just to use the program.


I like Cubase because you can use it with any type of soundcard/interface.

I like my MOTU 2408, wouldn't trade it for anything else except the newer 2408 mk3.

In terms of getting a basic mix going (from a tracked session) usually 15 minutes or so, all my hardware is already synced up (hardware compressors and reverbs).

Its not that complicated.

Making a track takes less than 10 minutes because you can just pull up a default session with Battery 3/RMiv/Grizzly and all your favorite vstis. Bam you're ready to go.


I like Reaper too, I just wish he would clone some of Cubase's features, like the auto latency calculator for the hardware and the drum editor from Cubase is one of my favs too. Duplicate is hot too. Control-D instant clone.

If you got a slower computer Freeze is nice, but make sure you max out on ram, cuz once its Frozen its on your hard drive so that memory starts gettin hit.


Peace
Illumination

[piranesi]

I've tried them all on PC and Mac. But I always come back to Cubase. it works. Even on 64 bit Vista.

[RealSon]

Tried both, didn´t like Logic at all ... I´m on Cubase 4 now, and I love it.

But before you buy something, make sure you try out both to see which one YOU really like.