Are the "soundclick" kids killing are rates charging $50 for exclusive beat rights?

[cherrymusic]

I've been on the soundclick site the past few days seeing how some of the new breed doing on production and yeah a lot of the stuff on there is just plain rotten but there is tons of tracks that sound really really good (in a hip hop context). The thing that pissed me off is that most of the stuff that sounds hot to def is being sold for $50-125 FOR EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!

I try to get $2,000 to $10,000 from national labels and I am wondering how long before these kids bring the market down for us mid-level producers. How do they survive if the record they produce and give away copyrights to go gold or above. They are even saying "when you buy the beat you get total copyright" WTF!

Am I old school or are they being *****s?

[Cujo]

Not my genre in anyway, but seems to me they are screwing themselves and everyone else involved. May as well work at the golden arches. And if they think it will help someone take notice and then buy a beat for more, I think they are just lowering the bar permentantly, they'll always be someone else who'll write a beat for 50.00.

[Igotsoul4u]

they already did bring it down. You can thank gunit for that one.

[Igotsoul4u]

my unpaid "tab" is about to crack $50 grand. There are to many stories to explain that one. ARRRRRRGGGG. I can't even write it off. I tell everyone that I'm making lots of money.......on paper.

[JJabba23]

lol what do u mean "thank gunit"

[illynoise]

Trust me rappers are starting to get hip to the Soundclik scam artists. To me a real producer isn't going to be on SoundClick charging 5 dollar non exclusives and 50 dollar exclusive rights.

Don't believe the hype. I hear artists come in all the time with beats and I'm like "look at this song" and its the same beat that someone already recorded to. It just helps my game that much more!!!!!!! It's happened at least 6-10 times.

[khameln]

To a certain extent that is true, and the beat market is becoming saturated. But I think to the same degree you get what you pay for, and as you listen more deeply you see that a lot of these soundclick Fruity Loops tracks really aren't top quality... And even if the beat is passable, getting a producer that knows how to craft a song is a whole other thing.

Like illynoise is saying, most of the cats that truly have their stuff together and are doing topnotch production work wouldn't be caught dead charging flat rates of $50 for beats.

[beat you down]

99.9999% of that sh*t is garbage anyway.
if majors start taking that sh*t seriously it's just another sign of the game degrading.

[bknot1]

most of the are young or just tryin to make a quick buck the fastest way they can.. I don't license the same track to more then one person..and i dont let anything go under $300 if somene is interested (unless i know the artist..which happend on my 1st placement..still waiting for my check :( before a sent the tracked out files) ..but i do agree its hurting business for known producers( I'm not known ..lol) cause you always get artist that say they want to do a album, mixtape, etc and they want free beats or don't want to pay over $50 for a beat...which is killin me..when i hear stuff like that..I can understan producers want to come up and be heard..but its a better way to do it then selling your right to your work..ok I lost my train of thought..i agree..dont now about the G-Unit thing..but I agree with everyone else..

[FULL-DUPLEX]

The sound and skill level will decrease more and more...

[Stitch333]

Originally Posted by beat you down

99.9999% of that sh*t is garbage anyway.

Ive noticed this too...
Also, Do you think the major element you'd need for a professional end result, namely beat dumps to mix, would be readily availble for $50?. Hahahahaha. No.

[Barznbeats1]

It's not that serious.

[Justice]

That's not what I heard. I hear its goin right back to the shit I been talkin since I signed on this board.

Pro Tools is wick wick wack and the real producers out there will feel me...

if you can't bring that thick,/warm, knocking sound you out!

THe industry is tring to bring back value to there artist.

New methods of buying and breaking new music...

Its a new era, with an old metality.

High performance sound baby.

Big boards and 2 inch!

Mark my words, I have heard 1st hand!dfegad

[Igotsoul4u]

Originally Posted by Igotsoul4u

they already did bring it down. You can thank gunit for that one.

they were the first prominent camp to make it a point to not go with huge producers for all their tracks. This would be thought of as a nice thing to do for the unknown guys except for the fact that they used it as an oppurtunity to give out crappy advances and take a good deal of the publishing if not all of it. They are also known for making it a ghost producer situation where the guy who made the beat does not get the credit. Unfortunatly dudes are just to hungry and will sacrifice whatever to just get on the album which I understand, but they are also handing over their nuts as well. When producers were in gunit land, let my people go.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by Justice

That's not what I heard. I hear its goin right back to the shit I been talkin since I signed on this board.

Pro Tools is wick wick wack and the real producers out there will feel me...

if you can't bring that thick,/warm, knocking sound you out!

THe industry is tring to bring back value to there artist.

New methods of buying and breaking new music...

Its a new era, with an old metality.

High performance sound baby.

Big boards and 2 inch!

Mark my words, I have heard 1st hand!dfegad

wishful thinking? since when does the industry care?

[Barznbeats1]

Originally Posted by Justice

That's not what I heard. I hear its goin right back to the shit I been talkin since I signed on this board.

Pro Tools is wick wick wack and the real producers out there will feel me...

if you can't bring that thick,/warm, knocking sound you out!

THe industry is tring to bring back value to there artist.

New methods of buying and breaking new music...

Its a new era, with an old metality.

High performance sound baby.

Big boards and 2 inch!

Mark my words, I have heard 1st hand!dfegad

The D&D Sound?

[MarkusColeman]

could you guys point me to some of these "beat moguls" on soundclick you are talking about?

because all I've ever heard were decent beats and decent productions. decent as in mediocre.
yes, I understand, there are bad beats on major releases, but most of them are comming from "inside the industry".

you can't compare it to fast food vs. fine restaurants though; while there are 1000s of "fast food" beat makers, there is only one McDonald's and one Burger King.

[bostonbakedbeans]

the tracks are garbage, i wouldn't worry about it. no rapper with any self-respect raps over soundclick beats.

[Justice]

Originally Posted by beat you down

wishful thinking? since when does the industry care?

Since the sales are in the shitter!

When it comes down to it, what format has sold the most records...... Analog. Plan and simple, MP3 just plan sucks if you are a trained music professtional. MP3 are hard to listen to.

Down right disrespectful to the artist.

I hear people complain on this site all the time about shitty songs.

Its because the song had a shitty producer. It takes a lot of skill to walk up in a big control room with a SSL G and two inch and gett to work.

The reward for the label is a exclusive sound for the label that will draw a following and increase sales.

If you use protools you sound just like every other soundclick producer......

Its gonna happen watch!

Now the majors are in talks to find another format for music that they can control.

Originally Posted by Justice

Since the sales are in the shitter!

When it comes down to it, what format has sold the most records...... Analog. Plan and simple, MP3 just plan sucks if you are a trained music professtional. MP3 are hard to listen to.

Down right disrespectful to the artist.

I hear people complain on this site all the time about shitty songs.

Its because the song had a shitty producer. It takes a lot of skill to walk up in a big control room with a SSL G and two inch and gett to work.

The reward for the label is a exclusive sound for the label that will draw a following and increase sales.

If you use protools you sound just like every other soundclick producer......

Its gonna happen watch!

Now the majors are in talks to find another format for music that they can control.

LOL forget the changes in the world/technology. What format sold the most records? LOL

Ever since producers became more important than artists this game has been in trouble.

It doesnt take much more skill to work an analog room well than it does to work a protools session well IMO.

They are based on the same concepts.

What's the difference between patching a reverb on an aux send and creating an aux send track and placing a plug on it?


FORMATS don't sell records.

[Justice]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

LOL forget the changes in the world/technology. What format sold the most records? LOL

Ever since producers became more important than artists this game has been in trouble.

It doesnt take much more skill to work an analog room well than it does to work a protools session well IMO.

They are based on the same concepts.

What's the difference between patching a reverb on an aux send and creating an aux send track and placing a plug on it?


FORMATS don't sell records.

1st Producers have always been more importaint then artist:

One name....... Quincy Jones+Analog= Michael Jackson over 100 Million Sold Thats more then the entire Hip Hop game in the last 5 years! LOL I think.

So what your saying is that having your own sound that makes you different from everyone else is not importaint. Thats just wronge.

The reason most producers dont get work is cause they sound like the next man. and A&R's get sick of that.....

Pro Tools is visual, Analog is hands on and your ears, thats it!

so Pro Tools is easy but there is no feel, just 1 and 0. Ask any engineer your ears make a record, having analog around gives you a much wider platform.

Plus you focus more on performance and not editing. Pro active not reactive.

Hey I'm not saying every label, but the ones who I talk to feel me 100%

they are begining to see there is no value in cookie cutter, copy cat acts.

Real artist, real production, real music....

Bet your ass buddy!

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by bostonbakedbeans

the tracks are garbage, i wouldn't worry about it. no rapper with any self-respect raps over soundclick beats.

Damn, that is a general statement. So if you post your beats on soundclick, you are garbage? Some people don't want to do the placement thing...why? It becomes a fulltime job that pays very little for MANY producers. Just like bands are happier now on indies, smart producers sell beats to anyone instead of shopping them and hoping to get a placement. Look at what Igotsoul is saying, the man has yet to get paid on some shit...that is how it goes ALL THE TIME with labels.

Selling beats for 50 dollars is garbage though..no doubt about it. My lowest price for an starving indie rapper was 300 bones.

I just don't see anything wrong with soundclick if it helps you make money. How many rappers want free beats? I mean, all the time...all I ask in return if I think the rapper has promise is a hot hook, and I rarely get one of those...so then that beat goes up for sale.

Get paid however you can.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by Justice

When it comes down to it, what format has sold the most records...... Analog. Plan and simple, MP3 just plan sucks if you are a trained music professtional. MP3 are hard to listen to.

hello?
you really believe there's gonna be an analog format in which the industry is gonna present their product to the masses?

like the return of cassettes and tapedecks?
you kiddin' right?

the industry doesn't cater to the "trained music professtional" and the masses really don't care, they'll convert sh*t into 128kbps mp3's anyway. even if it was totally recorded and produced in the analog domain.

you know you on some bullsh*t, right?

Originally Posted by Justice

1st Producers have always been more importaint then artist:

One name....... Quincy Jones+Analog= Michael Jackson over 100 Million Sold Thats more then the entire Hip Hop game in the last 5 years! LOL I think.

So what your saying is that having your own sound that makes you different from everyone else is not importaint. Thats just wronge.

The reason most producers dont get work is cause they sound like the next man. and A&R's get sick of that.....

Pro Tools is visual, Analog is hands on and your ears, thats it!

so Pro Tools is easy but there is no feel, just 1 and 0. Ask any engineer your ears make a record, having analog around gives you a much wider platform.

Plus you focus more on performance and not editing. Pro active not reactive.

Hey I'm not saying every label, but the ones who I talk to feel me 100%

they are begining to see there is no value in cookie cutter, copy cat acts.

Real artist, real production, real music....

Bet your ass buddy!

And you've proven what? WTF are you talking about?

I'm not even sure you've addressed my post.

I never said what you've said I said. Are you saying that Quincy and Michael would not be successful with protools? Is having your own sound attributed to using the same Analog tape and the same console that everyone else used at that point?

NO?

So perhaps it was Michael and Quincy's talents that sold that record.

Labels have sold cookie cutter copycats since the 2nd record was created.

[cherrymusic]

Originally Posted by Igotsoul4u

they were the first prominent camp to make it a point to not go with huge producers for all their tracks. This would be thought of as a nice thing to do for the unknown guys except for the fact that they used it as an oppurtunity to give out crappy advances and take a good deal of the publishing if not all of it. They are also known for making it a ghost producer situation where the guy who made the beat does not get the credit. Unfortunatly dudes are just to hungry and will sacrifice whatever to just get on the album which I understand, but they are also handing over their nuts as well. When producers were in gunit land, let my people go.

Not to be off topic on my own damn thread but does anyone know what's the deal with 50 cent selling his mega-mansion in CONN?...and letting most of the Gunit admin staff go plus a few artist (OLivia for one). Is he hurting for money or just trimming the fat like a smart businessman?

[Justice]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

And you've proven what? WTF are you talking about?

I'm not even sure you've addressed my post.

I never said what you've said I said. Are you saying that Quincy and Michael would not be successful with protools? Is having your own sound attributed to using the same Analog tape and the same console that everyone else used at that point?

NO?

So perhaps it was Michael and Quincy's talents that sold that record.

Labels have sold cookie cutter copycats since the 2nd record was created.

it's not not selling anymore...


Got to be different is all im saying bro.


unfortunately using digital gear is getting old.

the people long for more and the labels are listening.

look at the numbers. Sales down everywhere. IF your in the game I know your feeling it now.

what I am saying is that there is without a doubt a different technik when recording Analog.

The entire way you make the record is different.

With Digital you know you can edit it out no problem just snip snip now you sound better.

But with Analog or lets say Classic recording styles you make more performance driven recordings. Which make records more emotional.


Thats all I'm saying. Now I see more engineer/producers staring at a computer screen instead of coaching/teaching the artist.


Longevity is good for business!

[Mondo]

looks like everybody should have gotten a degree in accounting instead of playing music and having a social life.

[Contra]

Originally Posted by Justice

so Pro Tools is easy but there is no feel, just 1 and 0. Ask any engineer your ears make a record, having analog around gives you a much wider platform.

the only advantage being unlimited dynamic range and the 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion...and of course it does sound warm, but nowadays being able to tell the difference between analog and digital is a dying breed. instead of bitching about technicality of pro tools sound and analog sound , make the sound that matters = GOOD MUSIC. thas sumthin that as engineers/producers we need to worry about changin the shit music coming out now, instead of being purists and worrying about analog reels.

take it as you will.

pz

[Justice]

Originally Posted by Contra

the only advantage being unlimited dynamic range and the 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion...and of course it does sound warm, but nowadays being able to tell the difference between analog and digital is a dying breed. instead of bitching about technicality of pro tools sound and analog sound , make the sound that matters = GOOD MUSIC. thas sumthin that as engineers/producers we need to worry about changin the shit music coming out now, instead of being purists and worrying about analog reels.

take it as you will.

pz

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[cherrymusic]

Jus

I feel your pain bro, I am one of the die hard analog guys who still has a neotek console but I find myself doing more mixes ITB because like a few post said before, the masses don't care about things we do...meaning they convert down to crappy 128 mp3's.

Now IMHO whether a person is on fruity loops or mixing on a Vintage Helios 48 input on 2" then to 1/2 inch sucky production sucks.