extending the sound of one shot samples

[xabiton]

Ive been trying to figure out how to do this in reason for some time. I know its possible via looping a start and end point in the sound but whenever i do it I always get loud clicks. Ive also heard of people doing it on older samplers (eps, asr ect) in a similar fashion. I was hoping to get some tips. I always get loud clicks in the sound instead of a clean loop. Please help.

[cynic]

Loop in the Sampler. There is one big reason to do the looping in the sampler that no editor can do. As you adjust the loop length you will hear audible feedback coming from the sampler in real time. Hold down a note on the keyboard and spin the dial. Start with the whine of the sample oscillating and gradually turn the dial. Also most samplers have auto loop locators and crossfade functions that work better than they do in software editors. The only exception might be the really long loops that are often considered 'unloopable', like complex ensembles. Anything can be looped. Just a matter of talent, tools and persistence.

from here...

http://www.tweakheadz.com/Sampling_Tips.html

don't know reason specifically but those instructions (and the rest of the shit on that page) apply to pretty much any sampler.

follow the directions there, and you'll be on your way.

[xabiton]

is there such thing as a sample being too short when doing this? i have some horns in particular that i want to use but i cant get them right they are 1 second stabs mostly

[cynic]

no because when you loop usually to get a good sound you take a really really short piece of audio. we're talking milliseconds........anything longer and you hear the loop, not the tone of the sample looping.

[xabiton]

hmm perhaps thats my issue im using too big of loops thanks for all your help thus far

[MarkusColeman]

Originally Posted by xabiton

hmm perhaps thats my issue im using too big of loops thanks for all your help thus far

I would love to help you, but I still don´t understand completly what you are trying to achieve. Can you post an audio example? I bet I know some simple way to do it.

[khameln]

Originally Posted by cynic

no because when you loop usually to get a good sound you take a really really short piece of audio. we're talking milliseconds........anything longer and you hear the loop, not the tone of the sample looping.

That's not really true... It totally depends on the instrument. A synth might need a very short loop, but strings or a horn might use a much longer loop than a few milliseconds in order to be convincing. It's how carefully you choose the loop points that makes it more/less convincing.

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by MarkusColeman

I would love to help you, but I still don´t understand completly what you are trying to achieve. Can you post an audio example? I bet I know some simple way to do it.

i want to make that horn hold out longer but no matter what loop settings i select i always get big clicks and pops

[MarkusColeman]

Originally Posted by xabiton

i want to make that horn hold out longer but no matter what loop settings i select i always get big clicks and pops

the problem is, there is this hh after the kick.
so the actual part you could loop without clicks is extremly short.
I´ve tried it with forward, backwards, alternate, crossfading - it is slightly too short to remain it´s natural sound. it sounds more like a saw.

[xabiton]

i dont mind sawish I could always use it as a layer this is a learning experience i guess

[cynic]

Originally Posted by khameln

That's not really true... It totally depends on the instrument. A synth might need a very short loop, but strings or a horn might use a much longer loop than a few milliseconds in order to be convincing. It's how carefully you choose the loop points that makes it more/less convincing.

very true. forgot to mention that part but yeah, most times it's what/where you loop that makes it work.

[khameln]

What I hate is how samplers always seem to have 1 or 2 features missing, and it's always different. It's like hmm on this one you can do A B C, but no crossfade looping... Hmm ok, on this one you can crossfade loop and X Y Z, but there's no sample start controller mapping... Ok well this one has that, but it's missing blah and it only has 1 LFO...

It's been years, we all know what the imprortant features are... Why can't they just put it all in! Give me so many features, I complain that they are TOO many instead :D

[wavez]

Originally Posted by xabiton

i want to make that horn hold out longer but no matter what loop settings i select i always get big clicks and pops

I dunno if u know this, but if u hold down a shift key while timing ur sample, u´ll get more precise movements...I was bored so i tryed to make a loop out of this (With Acid 6). Added stereo fx for some movement.

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by wavez

I dunno if u know this, but if u hold down a shift key while timing ur sample, u´ll get more precise movements...I was bored so i tryed to make a loop out of this (With Acid 6). Added stereo fx for some movement.

im in awww right now. ive been trying to get this right for months please tell me what u did

[Zacchino]

He probably looped many parts of the original audio sample, that did not have the closed hat in it, cut the attack and high pass @ 100 or 200hz (wherever the kicl was), to keep the attack of your horns, yet, erase the kick behind it.

He also duplicated the track and messed up with the audio samples so it does not phase when going stereo, or used a Stereo effect (such as a chorus but without oscilation, linear, or a PSP PseudoStereo).

He just did a great job, and I'm pleased to know he did it with Acid ^^.

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by Zacchino

He probably looped many parts of the original audio sample, that did not have the closed hat in it, cut the attack and high pass @ 100 or 200hz (wherever the kicl was), to keep the attack of your horns, yet, erase the kick behind it.

He also duplicated the track and messed up with the audio samples so it does not phase when going stereo, or used a Stereo effect (such as a chorus but without oscilation, linear, or a PSP PseudoStereo).

He just did a great job, and I'm pleased to know he did it with Acid ^^.

i have a lot to learn that was all over my head. Im surprised he did it with acid as well I used acid for years and didnt know that was possible

[wavez]

Yea, my procress was similar to what Zacchino described...Unfortunately i was stupid enough to not save the acid file. Im gonna try to explain precisely what i did. Its actually simple process, but i might (probably!) overcomplicate it, because of my not-so-great english speaking ability. :)

1st, did a low frequency cut, up to 200hz.
2nd, choosed sample part between kick and hihat. added fade out. second fade out type, straight linear/diagonal one.
3rd, duplicaded sample into a new channel. added fade in (it still had a fade out too) and moved sample like half way of the first one.
4th, duplicaded the duplicate :) into a new channel once more, and moved its sample half way of the second channel one.
5th, now i just selected samples in the second and third channel, and just copy and pasted them.
6th, added a waves supertap 2-taps mod and mondmod into the master fader fx.

It took some time to get the fade in/out lenghts and types right, but yea, after a few trys i found something what sounded ok.
Ps. aslo, imo, if sample is pretty short, like this was, its good to lower it by an octave or so. So u´ll get double lenght. Then after editing, looping, exporting u could just pitch it back to orginal pitch.
I hope it helps.

[xabiton]

Originally Posted by wavez

Yea, my procress was similar to what Zacchino described...Unfortunately i was stupid enough to not save the acid file. Im gonna try to explain precisely what i did. Its actually simple process, but i might (probably!) overcomplicate it, because of my not-so-great english speaking ability. :)

1st, did a low frequency cut, up to 200hz.
2nd, choosed sample part between kick and hihat. added fade out. second fade out type, straight linear/diagonal one.
3rd, duplicaded sample into a new channel. added fade in (it still had a fade out too) and moved sample like half way of the first one.
4th, duplicaded the duplicate :) into a new channel once more, and moved its sample half way of the second channel one.
5th, now i just selected samples in the second and third channel, and just copy and pasted them.
6th, added a waves supertap 2-taps mod and mondmod into the master fader fx.

It took some time to get the fade in/out lenghts and types right, but yea, after a few trys i found something what sounded ok.
Ps. aslo, imo, if sample is pretty short, like this was, its good to lower it by an octave or so. So u´ll get double lenght. Then after editing, looping, exporting u could just pitch it back to orginal pitch.
I hope it helps.

that was very helpful ill try it later thanks