Just Got A SE Reflexion Filter And...

Creative Apathy · 27th February 2007, 10:36 PM

Must say it's pretty cool looking and it works pretty damn well. NO disappointments so far either. My room isn't treated but I do get a fair amount of business because of my mixing skills. This thing is sick. Not only on vox but guitars as well. If I get a chance I'll post some pre and post examples. In my opinion it's a dope purchase for 300 bucks...not bad SE

THUMBS UP

I might play with placement etc...to see if that makes any valuable difference

defjamm · 27th February 2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Creative Apathy

My room isn't treated but I do get a fair amount of business because of my mixing skills. This thing is sick. Not only on vox but guitars as well. If I get a chance I'll post some pre and post examples.

would be great!

The Beatsmith · 27th February 2007, 10:49 PM

how are you using it on guitars, dude?

Creative Apathy · 27th February 2007, 10:55 PM

Just adjusting the height/clamp position of the reflexion filter and let someone play the acoustic on a stool...works pretty well, with a good guitarist of course

The Beatsmith · 27th February 2007, 10:57 PM

Ah, sorry, i assumed immediately it was micing up a cab...

We have one in our tracking studio for vocals, it works really well.

I want to get one myself for my own studio though. It's a little pricey but it just works so well....

Enjoy

**Riccardo** · 27th February 2007, 11:39 PM

Works extremely well on outside kick

28th February 2007, 12:01 AM

So what's the deal with these things? Do you need NO other treatment in the room when you use one? I'm not sure I get the logic in droppin a few hundred dollars if I'll still have to use it in my typical booth for vox or recording.

Now If I can be in my living room and drop vox with it and it won't sound like my living room, then I may need to get one of these.

Methlab · 28th February 2007, 12:42 AM

interesting..i never heard anything great about them...but I have not worked with one myself.

When you compress hard, do you still get a nice clean sound ?

Also, 300 bucks is steep...I wonder who is making knockoffs???

jDresnin · 28th February 2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Methlab

I wonder who is making knockoffs???

Realtraps.. among others, but the knock offs are usually just some foam on a stick. If you believe the SE hype, the Reflexion is the result of lots of research and experiments, etc. I considered just getting Realtrap's knock off til i looked into it, but there's really no comparison.. There's even a thread with some back and forth between the companies somewhere around here if you're interested.

t.dizzle · 28th February 2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by no ssl yet

Now If I can be in my living room and drop vox with it and it won't sound like my living room, then I may need to get one of these.

I'm cutting vox in my 100% untreated basement with the RF and I could tell anyone that I recorded this shit at the Hit Factory - and they'd believe it.

You gotta mess with the mic placement on the RF apparatus a bit before you really find the sweet spot, however you'll notice a difference right off the bat.

I can't wait to try it with my ultra distorted guitar rig. Gotta finish this record first!

cynic · 28th February 2007, 03:20 AM

damn these things really work? my first reaction was "wow what a ripoff" when i first saw it.....but if the slutz love it maybe it's something to look into.

what about treatment behind the person spitting into the mic? still hanging blankets or putting a trap in the corner?

chris carter · 28th February 2007, 03:28 AM

Curious to know how well it balances on the mic stand. Looks as though it seriously throws off the center of gravity and would require some serious sandbagging.

AMIEL · 28th February 2007, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Creative Apathy

If I get a chance I'll post some pre and post examples. THUMBS UP

We are waiting!!!

JohnnyPraze · 28th February 2007, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jDresnin

Realtraps.. among others, but the knock offs are usually just some foam on a stick. If you believe the SE hype, the Reflexion is the result of lots of research and experiments, etc. I considered just getting Realtrap's knock off til i looked into it, but there's really no comparison.. There's even a thread with some back and forth between the companies somewhere around here if you're interested.

The realtraps version looks much better...

They really know their stuff...

Why not build your own out of 2" acoustic cotton and 2" OC703 and a 4" frame?
Thats what I'm going to do...

Methlab · 28th February 2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jDresnin

Realtraps.. among others, but the knock offs are usually just some foam on a stick. If you believe the SE hype, the Reflexion is the result of lots of research and experiments, etc. I considered just getting Realtrap's knock off til i looked into it, but there's really no comparison.. There's even a thread with some back and forth between the companies somewhere around here if you're interested.

yeah.ill search around..thanks man. Currently I do vox in the middle of an untreated room. It doesn't get many reflections due to mic placement and probaly luck, but I always want things better.

beyond · 28th February 2007, 05:00 PM

It's interesting; judging by the demos over at realtraps website - their "portable vocal booth" is much, much better. It's not even a competition.

chrisma · 28th February 2007, 06:24 PM

Another thread about this with mp3 and aif audio examples.

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=65837

doubledecker · 28th February 2007, 06:27 PM

SE Reflexion filter is the best thing since sliced bread.
I just dont understand people who find this thing expensive.
I mean, 300$ for solving all your acoustic problems when it comes to recording and getting great vocal sound is expensive??!!

I dont think that's expensive.
I think you are cheap

The Beatsmith · 28th February 2007, 06:50 PM

I'm not sure i would say it 'solves all your acoustic problems'

upscaps · 28th February 2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beyond

It's interesting; judging my the demos over at realtraps website - their "portable vocal booth" is much, much better. It's not even a competition.

demos on a website? are you serious? realtraps is probably just as good but I use an SE Filter everyday in my studios and its the truth

beyond · 28th February 2007, 07:36 PM

Yeah, well it's just that Real traps as a company has a lot more credibility than SE
Electronics. They're a bit like Behringer with lots of cheap stuff whereas Real traps know what they're talking aobut. Just listen to the demos for your selves! I'd rather spend 300 bucks on the REAL thang.

Glenn Kuras · 28th February 2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

I'm not sure i would say it 'solves all your acoustic problems'

I made this same point yesturday.. I think both products are great, but is really not a fix for acoustics in the room. Now if you had both, great acoustics and one of those then you would be off to the races!!!

Glenn

upscaps · 28th February 2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beyond

Yeah, well it's just that Real traps as a company has a lot more credibility than SE
Electronics. They're a bit like Behringer with lots of cheap stuff whereas Real traps know what they're talking aobut. Just listen to the demos for your selves! I'd rather spend 300 bucks on the REAL thang.

Check all the gearslutz forums. SE works and has real world opinions. listening to demos on a website wont tell you anything about how something like acoustic treatment will react in your room. Let alone tell you about another product that you have never heard in person. SE filter is far from behringer- it does what it says its going to do and is very sturdy. Good luck on your travels

28th February 2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beyond

Yeah, well it's just that Real traps as a company has a lot more credibility than SE
Electronics. They're a bit like Behringer with lots of cheap stuff whereas Real traps know what they're talking aobut. Just listen to the demos for your selves! I'd rather spend 300 bucks on the REAL thang.

Some lies are lies, and some are damn lies. THis is a DAmn lie

I see you have a grand total of 2 posts, and both of them are in a thread about the reflexion filter where you chose to diss it and the company that made it.

Have you used ANY SE products? Do you own ANY of their microphones?

How many of the guys here have actually used a reflexion filter? I have not, but I know quite a few people who I consider credible that love the reflexion filter.

And I use their microphones.

doubledecker · 28th February 2007, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith

I'm not sure i would say it 'solves all your acoustic problems'

First of all, if you quote me, quote everything i've said.
You dont have one, do you?
Well, if you dont have it, how can you be sure or not sure?
And yes, it solves all of your acoustic problems, which could affect vocal recording, simply because it takes them out of equation.
Built quality is outstanding

rickrock305 · 28th February 2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubledecker

SE Reflexion filter is the best thing since sliced bread.
I just dont understand people who find this thing expensive.
I mean, 300$ for solving all your acoustic problems when it comes to recording and getting great vocal sound is expensive??!!

I dont think that's expensive.
I think you are cheap

LOL, i think i'm not the only one that finds this post funny.

solves all acoustic problems and gets you a great vocal sound?

beyond · 28th February 2007, 10:09 PM

I can't see why people who bought reflexion filter are a bit pissed off when I inform them there's a much better product out there from Real traps. And my amount of posts, what does that have to do with anything? I'm sure you didn't just go from 0 posts to 1 billion either. Fact remains; SE doesn't make Neumanns and Reflexion filter is just a piece of metal with some junk attacked to it. If you think it transforms your vocal recordings into something really lovable, no matter what the room looks like, your ears are a bit different from mine!

(yes I have tried SE Reflection filter. AND their cheapish mics.)

28th February 2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beyond

I can't see why people who bought reflexion filter are a bit pissed off when I inform them there's a much better product out there from Real traps. And my amount of posts, what does that have to do with anything? I'm sure you didn't just go from 0 posts to 1 billion either. Fact remains; SE doesn't make Neumanns and Reflexion filter is just a piece of metal with some junk attacked to it. If you think it transforms your vocal recordings into something really lovable, no matter what the room looks like, your ears are a bit different from mine!

(yes I have tried SE Reflection filter. AND their cheapish mics.)

OH NOW you've tried the RF?

Sure you have. THat's why you chose to NOT mention it in a thread where someone was loving his, and went on to diss the company instead

How can ANYONE challenge the credibility of a company that allows you to try their products in your own environment for free?

I wonder what acoustics company YOU work for.

Of all the audio topics on this forum, it was a discussion about the RF that got your attention and made you decide to post, BUT

YOU neglected to say you used the products until you were asked.

Boy if only humans had noses that grew longer when they told a lie.

doubledecker · 28th February 2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickrock305

LOL, i think i'm not the only one that finds this post funny.

solves all acoustic problems and gets you a great vocal sound?

Some people

Try it and see if its still funny to you.
By great vocal sound i didnt mean that SE RF gonna give you Oceanway-Mariah Carey-Sony C800-Neve 1073-Tubetech CL1a sound, but very dry, direct, in your face, no 200hz bump sound.
This thread was about how well SE deals with untreated rooms and whether its a sound investment.
It was a blessing from heaven for my production room where i record rough vocals.
In 70% of the time that rough ends up being used as final lead vocal.

warhead · 28th February 2007, 10:33 PM

The sE Electronics comparisons to Behringer are 100% just plain wrong. They are both made in China, but the similarity ends there.

sE is always working on new designs and running with ideas as they please, and they also build 100% of their stuff in house. No off the shelf capsules etc, they even build their own cases. Anything current from sE is 100% visualized and produced by them under one roof, and if they hadn't come out with the Reflexion filter I doubt we'd be seeing the current crop of "me too" products.

I am not saying one is better than the other as I have not used the others, but the Reflexion is a useful piece. I use it on guitar cabs with figure 8 mics more than anything in my room in my situation. In fact, I use an sE Electronics R1 ribbon 90% of the time on guitar cabs because it KICKS ASS in this application and sounds different than the more "rounded" sounding ribbons on the market (more bite). Not just a rebranded "me too" ribbon mic either. Saying their mics are cheapish, that is a matter of personal opinion but I am surrounded by mics all day by almost every manufacturer and sE's stuff hangs with the best of them!

I don't care if anybody thinks it sucks or if it's great as a product, but comparing sE to Behringer is wrong on every level.

War

27th February 2007, 10:36 PM	#1
Creative Apathy Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lab Posts: 22	Just Got A SE Reflexion Filter And... Must say it's pretty cool looking and it works pretty damn well. NO disappointments so far either. My room isn't treated but I do get a fair amount of business because of my mixing skills. This thing is sick. Not only on vox but guitars as well. If I get a chance I'll post some pre and post examples. In my opinion it's a dope purchase for 300 bucks...not bad SE THUMBS UP I might play with placement etc...to see if that makes any valuable difference __________________ www.myspace.com/flyandtalented www.myspace.com/thisisvice

27th February 2007, 10:55 PM	#4
Creative Apathy Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lab Posts: 22	Just adjusting the height/clamp position of the reflexion filter and let someone play the acoustic on a stool...works pretty well, with a good guitarist of course __________________ www.myspace.com/flyandtalented www.myspace.com/thisisvice

27th February 2007, 11:39 PM	#6
Riccardo Mastering Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Always on the Run Posts: 2,011	Works extremely well on outside kick __________________ Velvet Room Mastering "Can you imagine how great the Beatles or Pink Floyd could have sounded if they had used better cables? I expect a Nobel prize to someday be awarded to an audiophile cable designer, as they clearly are way ahead of the rest of us. " - DC -

28th February 2007, 12:42 AM	#8
Methlab Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 2,970	interesting..i never heard anything great about them...but I have not worked with one myself. When you compress hard, do you still get a nice clean sound ? Also, 300 bucks is steep...I wonder who is making knockoffs??? __________________ ********Professionally played Basslines for $30 a Track. PM me for more!***********

28th February 2007, 03:20 AM	#11
cynic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: san jose, califas Posts: 2,329	damn these things really work? my first reaction was "wow what a ripoff" when i first saw it.....but if the slutz love it maybe it's something to look into. what about treatment behind the person spitting into the mic? still hanging blankets or putting a trap in the corner? __________________ cynicone on soundcloud

27th February 2007, 10:49 PM	#3
The Beatsmith Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,616	how are you using it on guitars, dude?

27th February 2007, 10:57 PM	#5
The Beatsmith Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,616	Ah, sorry, i assumed immediately it was micing up a cab... We have one in our tracking studio for vocals, it works really well. I want to get one myself for my own studio though. It's a little pricey but it just works so well.... Enjoy

28th February 2007, 12:01 AM	#7
no ssl yet Guest Posts: n/a	So what's the deal with these things? Do you need NO other treatment in the room when you use one? I'm not sure I get the logic in droppin a few hundred dollars if I'll still have to use it in my typical booth for vox or recording. Now If I can be in my living room and drop vox with it and it won't sound like my living room, then I may need to get one of these.

28th February 2007, 03:28 AM	#12
chris carter Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,042	Curious to know how well it balances on the mic stand. Looks as though it seriously throws off the center of gravity and would require some serious sandbagging. __________________ Chris 'Von Pimpenstein' Carter Producer / Mixer www.millraceonline.com www.myspace.com/chriscarterproducer * One #1 international hit single * Three U.S. top 40 hit singles * Over 100 tv/film/ad placements

28th February 2007, 05:00 PM	#16
beyond Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 76	It's interesting; judging by the demos over at realtraps website - their "portable vocal booth" is much, much better. It's not even a competition.

28th February 2007, 06:24 PM	#17
chrisma Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 117	Another thread about this with mp3 and aif audio examples. http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=65837 __________________ http://www.urbanmultitracks.com/twitter Music Production, Mixing & Mastering - Chrisma Productions http://www.chrismaproductions.com/

28th February 2007, 06:27 PM	#18
doubledecker Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 444	SE Reflexion filter is the best thing since sliced bread. I just dont understand people who find this thing expensive. I mean, 300$ for solving all your acoustic problems when it comes to recording and getting great vocal sound is expensive??!! I dont think that's expensive. I think you are cheap

28th February 2007, 06:50 PM	#19
The Beatsmith Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,616	I'm not sure i would say it 'solves all your acoustic problems'

28th February 2007, 07:36 PM	#21
beyond Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 76	Yeah, well it's just that Real traps as a company has a lot more credibility than SE Electronics. They're a bit like Behringer with lots of cheap stuff whereas Real traps know what they're talking aobut. Just listen to the demos for your selves! I'd rather spend 300 bucks on the REAL thang.

28th February 2007, 10:09 PM	#27
beyond Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 76	I can't see why people who bought reflexion filter are a bit pissed off when I inform them there's a much better product out there from Real traps. And my amount of posts, what does that have to do with anything? I'm sure you didn't just go from 0 posts to 1 billion either. Fact remains; SE doesn't make Neumanns and Reflexion filter is just a piece of metal with some junk attacked to it. If you think it transforms your vocal recordings into something really lovable, no matter what the room looks like, your ears are a bit different from mine! (yes I have tried SE Reflection filter. AND their cheapish mics.)

28th February 2007, 10:33 PM	#30
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 10,399	The sE Electronics comparisons to Behringer are 100% just plain wrong. They are both made in China, but the similarity ends there. sE is always working on new designs and running with ideas as they please, and they also build 100% of their stuff in house. No off the shelf capsules etc, they even build their own cases. Anything current from sE is 100% visualized and produced by them under one roof, and if they hadn't come out with the Reflexion filter I doubt we'd be seeing the current crop of "me too" products. I am not saying one is better than the other as I have not used the others, but the Reflexion is a useful piece. I use it on guitar cabs with figure 8 mics more than anything in my room in my situation. In fact, I use an sE Electronics R1 ribbon 90% of the time on guitar cabs because it KICKS ASS in this application and sounds different than the more "rounded" sounding ribbons on the market (more bite). Not just a rebranded "me too" ribbon mic either. Saying their mics are cheapish, that is a matter of personal opinion but I am surrounded by mics all day by almost every manufacturer and sE's stuff hangs with the best of them! I don't care if anybody thinks it sucks or if it's great as a product, but comparing sE to Behringer is wrong on every level. War __________________ Warren Dent - Owner of: www.ZenProAudio.com Where You Get Gear Now & Zen Email via Gearslutz

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