Producer Advances!!!

[audioman]

Hi just wondering how much does a beginning producer make on each master track. Is this something like it. A buddy of mine gave this to me.

PRODUCER ADVANCES
»New Producer: $2,500-3,500 per master. ($25-35k) per album
»Midlevel: 3,500-5k/pm (35-50k) per album
»Superstar: 10-15k (100-150k) per album
*Plus 3% royalty

[kingneeraj]

Originally Posted by audioman

PRODUCER ADVANCES
»New Producer: $2,500-3,500 per master. ($25-35k) per album
»Midlevel: 3,500-5k/pm (35-50k) per album
»Superstar: 10-15k (100-150k) per album
*Plus 3% royalty

Superstar 10-15k? hmm..

there are lots of superstar producers that make between 50k - 200k per track...

[themaestro]

wow...i'm a superstar and i've never even had a single!! Ask your buddy if he wants my autograph, he better get it before i'm a super duper star!!

[illynoise]

I know people who are getting 15k for album releases all the time. Not me, but I know some people who do, like themaestro said. It's happening in ATL.

The labels are getting sick of paying out 75 grand to someone with a little buzz, that's getting ready to stop soon.

[kingneeraj]

Originally Posted by illynoise

The labels are getting sick of paying out 75 grand to someone with a little buzz, that's getting ready to stop soon.

yes obviously for "a little buzz", i'm sure NOBODY would wanna pay 75 grand... but i was referring to the "SUPERSTARS"... and those producers are DEFINATLY getting paid those kinda numbers...

[mintyfreshbeats]

these numbers are surprising me! ... given the music sales drought of late

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by darkchild

my homie who did Yung Joc's new single "First Time" got paid 60k, and you've probably never even heard of him before.

your homey is pullin your leg, nitty doesn't even charge that much, and block aint payin NOBODY that much money for a single TRUST ME. Singles for joc's last album went for as low as 3500...I've seen the check stubs buddy

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by darkchild

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Polow Da Don, Lil Jon, Jazze Pha = almost GUARANTEED the project will be successful, based on their track record.

even as a good friend of polow, i find this hard to believe. track record is based on time on the charts, polow has only been on the charts for the past year, he comes nowhere close to b cox or jazze or dre & vidal or jim jonsin & big d or the undadogs, who have been on multiple charts consecutively for over 5 years. i've seen the 'go-to' list that's hangin up in the virgin and jive offices and it has rates posted on it. believe or not, nitty ranks like 8 spots over polow, and the pay scale of what a label is willing to pay each producer increases accordingly.

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by darkchild

actually its just albums sales.

Itunes (and other digital networks) singles + ringtones r selling like crazy. T-pain said in an interview he made over 3 million dollars just off his "I'm in luv w/ a stripper" ringtone....you can only wonder how much the big names, like Timberlake have made.

if you believe what artists say in interviews, especially artists on their FIRST deal (who get raped the most) then you have a lot to learn. dfb, sold way more ringtones than t pain on multiple singles, and they wrote and produced the tracks, and if they saw even 500k collectively off it, it would be a miracle!

[bknot1]

Originally Posted by audioman

PRODUCER ADVANCES
»New Producer: $2,500-3,500 per master. ($25-35k) per album
»Midlevel: 3,500-5k/pm (35-50k) per album
»Superstar: 10-15k (100-150k) per album
*Plus 3% royalty

interesting..dont know where you got those numbers from..but i have always heard this..

New Producer: $2,500-$6,000
In-House Producer: $10,000-$30,000
Midlevel: $50,000-$95,000
Superstar: $100,000 and up


give or take a few dollars...

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by bknot1

interesting..dont know where you got those numbers from..but i have always heard this..

New Producer: $2,500-$6,000
In-House Producer: $10,000-$30,000
Midlevel: $50,000-$95,000
Superstar: $100,000 and up


give or take a few dollars...

i agree with those numbers, i think the in-house numbers are EXREMELY high, but i gues it depends on the label....
if you really wanna hear some game, i submitted beats to grand hustle and they were interested in purchasing some; when i gave them my price they laughed! they say that they only pay their in house producer Lil C (shoulder lean, rubber band banks) 5k per track for SINGLES, so they wouldn't pay me what i wanted because my track record pales in comparison to his!!! believe it or not, i've never had a single, but i've never taken under 7500 for a major label release, actually, i got more for my first two placements than i've ever recieved since!

[mintyfreshbeats]

maestro droppin knowledge, I appreciate that man! 5k for shoulder lean...wow

[verb1]

We talking five thou plus publishing, or take it and walk?

[bknot1]

Originally Posted by themaestro

i agree with those numbers, i think the in-house numbers are EXREMELY high, but i gues it depends on the label....
if you really wanna hear some game, i submitted beats to grand hustle and they were interested in purchasing some; when i gave them my price they laughed! they say that they only pay their in house producer Lil C (shoulder lean, rubber band banks) 5k per track for SINGLES, so they wouldn't pay me what i wanted because my track record pales in comparison to his!!! believe it or not, i've never had a single, but i've never taken under 7500 for a major label release, actually, i got more for my first two placements than i've ever recieved since!

good info....i did some more searching through my notes and books...i was close to the numbers except the in-house producer..

New- $2,000 - $17,500 (i do think in-house get about $10,000+/-)
Hot- $25,000 - $50,000
Superstar- $75,000 -$125,000+

Demo work $500 - $1,500
(all prices are per song)

but like Maestro said its up to the labels on what they are willing to pay...for the record Maestro, they missed out on having a banger from u...

[Status]

Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Hope he got most of his dough on the backend. But more than likely he didn't.

[bknot1]

Originally Posted by J Twin

We talking five thou plus publishing, or take it and walk?

i hope they got some publishing...unless they sample...then they wont see that much publishing.,,(thats why i dont sample)..might want to get their points (3-5%) on sales...IMO

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by bknot1

good info....i did some more searching through my notes and books...i was close to the numbers except the in-house producer..

New- $2,000 - $17,500 (i do think in-house get about $10,000+/-)
Hot- $25,000 - $50,000
Superstar- $75,000 -$125,000+

Demo work $500 - $1,500
(all prices are per song)

but like Maestro said its up to the labels on what they are willing to pay...for the record Maestro, they missed out on having a banger from u...

I'm in house, and i DONT get ten---(i deserve it though!!)

[cynic one]

Originally Posted by J Twin

We talking five thou plus publishing, or take it and walk?

shit i hope the dude got publishing on that track......i know boosters making that much on a good day!

if he didn't, that's the biggest ripoff ever...

[themaestro]

Originally Posted by J Twin

We talking five thou plus publishing, or take it and walk?

i don't know the specifics, but if a dusty a$$ dodge charger without the hemi is any indication, i would suspect that many young in-house producers here in atlanta are getting screwed pretty hard!

[con?one]

Originally Posted by bknot1

interesting..dont know where you got those numbers from..but i have always heard this..

New Producer: $2,500-$6,000
In-House Producer: $10,000-$30,000
Midlevel: $50,000-$95,000
Superstar: $100,000 and up


give or take a few dollars...

it really depends who you're dealling with. if it's an artist that you know is going to recoup within the first week, then you'll gladly take a wack advance. 50 doesn't pay ANYBODY big $$, but everyone's happy as shit when their seeing checks by the end of the year. meanwhile, there're people who've done work on nas's platinum albums 4 years ago that STILL haven't seen a check... those are the ones where you want to get as much upfront as possible.

[bknot1]

Originally Posted by con?one

it really depends who you're dealling with. if it's an artist that you know is going to recoup within the first week, then you'll gladly take a wack advance. 50 doesn't pay ANYBODY big $$, but everyone's happy as shit when their seeing checks by the end of the year. meanwhile, there're people who've done work on nas's platinum albums 4 years ago that STILL haven't seen a check... those are the ones where you want to get as much upfront as possible.

now thats sad..but real true...

[illynoise]

think about this: 15 grand between you and your lawyer and maybe another partner, 7 grand right, then take taxes out of that, whats that 20-30 percent your seeing 5-6 out of that 15 grand a beat? If your doing deals like that without a lawyer, well you'll probably only see your front-end ever!

Selling beats to artists is only one way that producers make money in this game, you all are/might be sleeping on publishing, cause there are so many avenues on that game, take the time and learn all you can about it, BMI.....Ascap. My whole camp gets checks now every 3 months, because we own our own!

Sure I'll sell a beat to an artist, but that game is so competitive, at least the label that were dealing with right now, they are trying to find producers that they can pay much less front end money and get hungry producers, like me. The camp producers are making all of the big money and have been for the last 4-5 years, unless your in that camp, forget about it!

If your a producer just coming out, and your NOT in Atl or Nyc or LA or Houston or the Bay, find an artist develope them and own your product, that's why guys like Kanye start labels because business wise this is where it's at.

My2

[bknot1]

i dont think anyone sleeping on the publishing..the question was about advances..if they not smart enought to work out publishing then..then need to have a lawyer do thier bidding for them..IMO..but we were talkin about advances..

you gave some good info ..but it really depends on what deal you will work out with the labels..in the end...and what you feel is right...

good info illy..

[filterayok]

its not that hard---if you do a beat, you should technically own either 50% or an equal portion of the songs writing---thats usually understood... the producer advance has nothing to do with writing... when you register the song, u include your percentage---you really dont need a lawyer for that

[Alex Niedt]

This thread is a gem. Thanks especially to themaestro for the info.

[stevens119]

well...as new producers we were supposed to get about $1,000 a track from Def Jam, for inclusion on a major label album

[khameln]

Originally Posted by stevens119

well...as new producers we were supposed to get about $1,000 a track from Def Jam, for inclusion on a major label album

I think we just have to say "it varies"... Because there are plenty of 'new' producers that have gotten more than a grand for major label tracks. Heck, from independents for that matter.

And to the thread in general, I don't think he meant that 'in-house' producer means if you're in-house at *any* label you make that much. obviously it's going to vary by which label you're in-house with. A shoestring south label (however well know it's artists are) is not going to pay like Aftermath, etc.

[OneUp Ent]

Originally Posted by audioman

Hi just wondering how much does a beginning producer make on each master track. Is this something like it. A buddy of mine gave this to me.

PRODUCER ADVANCES
»New Producer: $2,500-3,500 per master. ($25-35k) per album
»Midlevel: 3,500-5k/pm (35-50k) per album
»Superstar: 10-15k (100-150k) per album
*Plus 3% royalty

Most producers may get 3 points which doesn't quite work out to 3%, It's more a percent of a percent. This is strickly mechanical royalty, pub is different. If you can get 3 points on a joint that does well and avoid only getting a 3/4 rate, it's much more worth it to take less money upfront. You can use it as a bargaining tool. I'm locked into a song deal for 20k a track and 4 points for 7 songs at interscope. I've already delivered 4 and recieved the front end of all seven and the back end for the 4 I delivered. If possible, try to work out a song deal with a label that seems like they may want to do more business with you.

If they believe in you, they feel like they can lock you in just in case you blow up. In which case they can still get you for whatever fee you agreed to while others have to cough up the super producer premium. It's a good way to get some decent cash in your pocket upfront. And if you do get hot, then all of those beats sitting on your hard drive become golden and you can turn those in to complete your song deal.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by OneUp Ent

Most producers may get 3 points which doesn't quite work out to 3%, It's more a percent of a percent. This is strickly mechanical royalty, pub is different. If you can get 3 points on a joint that does well and avoid only getting a 3/4 rate, it's much more worth it to take less money upfront. You can use it as a bargaining tool. I'm locked into a song deal for 20k a track and 4 points for 7 songs at interscope. I've already delivered 4 and recieved the front end of all seven and the back end for the 4 I delivered. If possible, try to work out a song deal with a label that seems like they may want to do more business with you.

If they believe in you, they feel like they can lock you in just in case you blow up. In which case they can still get you for whatever fee you agreed to while others have to cough up the super producer premium. It's a good way to get some decent cash in your pocket upfront. And if you do get hot, then all of those beats sitting on your hard drive become golden and you can turn those in to complete your song deal.

thats pretty ****in sweet---may i ask the project?

[OneUp Ent]

Originally Posted by filterayok

thats pretty ****in sweet---may i ask the project?

Mya when she was with interscope and Keysha Cole.