apogee ensemble or rme fireface???

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 09:23 AM

sorry for this general question....but i must buy an audio card....soon,....i have a mac pro dual g5, i wanna buy logic,....
are better the converters of the ensemble or the converters of the fireface..??
Generally....the ensemble is a good audio card???

Thanks!!!!!

stevens119 · 9th January 2007, 10:22 AM

I say ensemble by a long shot

HEADROOM · 9th January 2007, 10:29 AM

I m very happy with my G5 , Logic, and RME fireface 800

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 10:33 AM

i think i go down with the rme,...ist most economical, with the difference i can buy some other items....

stevens119 · 9th January 2007, 10:48 AM

thats true. I though you were wondering which ones had better converters, and I said apogee by a long shot.

HEADROOM · 9th January 2007, 11:14 AM

This might be of interest:

Rosetta VS Fireface in an A/B test.

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEADROOM

This might be of interest:

Rosetta VS Fireface in an A/B test.

thanks for this link...
i have heard this experiment...and....what a **** i don't hear a great difference!!! and rme cost much less!! with the difference and more money i can buy some pre or a channel strip for example!!

a one chose...i need an audio card for take the sound from my mpc4000,...i don't play another instrument,.....

Napalm · 9th January 2007, 04:13 PM

Haahhaahh....but....didn't u ask which has BETTER convertors?

Napalm.

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napalm

Haahhaahh....but....didn't u ask which has BETTER convertors?

Napalm.

ok but the ensemble cost 800 dollars more,.....i hear the difference for this 800 dollars???

goldphinga · 9th January 2007, 04:35 PM

Dont listen to what anyone says when it comes to these stupid convertors tests.The ONLY way is test them yourself.

Napalm · 9th January 2007, 04:51 PM

Goldphinga is right.

Even though experts all over claim the Ensemble to sound slightly better...it's all up to ur own ears b.

Napalm.

Ashermusic · 9th January 2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myfist

ok but the ensemble cost 800 dollars more,.....i hear the difference for this 800 dollars???

The big difference is the quality of the mic pres. The Ensemble's are significantly better IMHO.

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 07:40 PM

ah ok...but is not a problem this,....i use my voicemaster pro like a pre,.....i think i can make big sounds with the rme,....and whit this 800 dollars and more i can buy an avalon for example,....and then i think i can hear a great difference,....

TeamSSK · 9th January 2007, 08:00 PM

isnt there only a 400 dollar price differnece between the two over at sweetwater?

and why ask a question,if you already know what your gonna do?

Myfist · 9th January 2007, 09:44 PM

no i can buy the rme for 1100 dollars,....new....i have posed this questions because i'm not really sure,...sorry but i don't write a good english, i am swiss italian,..e

,...
but i wanna know,...if is a good idea spend 400-800 dollars more for an ensemble,...or the converters are similar,....you understand??

Anonyme · 10th January 2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myfist

a one chose...i need an audio card for take the sound from my mpc4000,...i don't play another instrument,.....

doesn't the mpc4000 have digital outputs? if yes you could probably use any soundcard with digital in without any loss of quality...

Myfist · 11th January 2007, 10:21 AM

IB-4ADT: multi-channel ADAT digital I/O

you say this?? with this you are sure that the quality is better???

Anonyme · 11th January 2007, 12:25 PM

If the IB-4ADT also supports toslink (spdif optical), you should be able to connect this directly to the optical in of the Mac Pro. If not, you'd need the IB-4D plus a coaxial to optical converter. You would not need an additional soundcard in either case.

The advantage of staying digital is that the signal is transmitted exactly the way it is inside the MPC.

Myfist · 11th January 2007, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonyme

If the IB-4ADT also supports toslink (spdif optical), you should be able to connect this directly to the optical in of the Mac Pro. If not, you'd need the IB-4D plus a coaxial to optical converter. You would not need an additional soundcard in either case.

The advantage of staying digital is that the signal is transmitted exactly the way it is inside the MPC.

is interessant,..but i cannot yet connect the ib-4adt to the fireface, this card have in/out adat,...doesn't work? at this moment i don't use the converter of the fireface,..right??
yes i can connect directly in my g5 but is better for me utilise an audiocard....

because the ib-4adt i don't think support spdif optical....

Anonyme · 11th January 2007, 12:54 PM

you can use it with a fireface, too, but why buy an extra card if you can do without it? I would think of this as a waste of money.

Myfist · 11th January 2007, 12:58 PM

yes is true but with this card i have another 8 analog in and important for my 8 out,...

for you this is the best way to keep the sound like this in the mpc?

Anonyme · 11th January 2007, 01:09 PM

sorry, I don't know why I assumed you only wanted to use two channels. If you want to use more you are fine with the adat card (=8 channels) and the Fireface. Then again the converters of the fireface are supposed to be decent, so if you already have the analog output extension you might want to try if the sound pleases you instead of buying the adat expansion too. I was just thinking of the cheapest option assuming you only had the mac pro and an unexpanded mpc4000.

Myfist · 11th January 2007, 01:49 PM

yes, i can try to test the converters of the rme but i think is the best solutions an adat card,...the sound i think remains the same 100%,...i think

one day if a want make mpc -- pre such avalon - rme .. i can use the main out of the mpc eventually....for don't buy the card with 8 analog out ...

i hope the rme offer great da and ad converters, for use some outboard in the mix eventually....

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9th January 2007, 09:23 AM	#1
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	apogee ensemble or rme fireface??? sorry for this general question....but i must buy an audio card....soon,....i have a mac pro dual g5, i wanna buy logic,.... are better the converters of the ensemble or the converters of the fireface..?? Generally....the ensemble is a good audio card??? Thanks!!!!!

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Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	no i can buy the rme for 1100 dollars,....new....i have posed this questions because i'm not really sure,...sorry but i don't write a good english, i am swiss italian,..e,... but i wanna know,...if is a good idea spend 400-800 dollars more for an ensemble,...or the converters are similar,....you understand??

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9th January 2007, 10:22 AM	#2
stevens119 Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 312	I say ensemble by a long shot

9th January 2007, 10:29 AM	#3
HEADROOM Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: HAMBURG Posts: 683	I m very happy with my G5 , Logic, and RME fireface 800

9th January 2007, 10:33 AM	#4
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	i think i go down with the rme,...ist most economical, with the difference i can buy some other items....

9th January 2007, 10:48 AM	#5
stevens119 Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 312	thats true. I though you were wondering which ones had better converters, and I said apogee by a long shot.

9th January 2007, 11:14 AM	#6
HEADROOM Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: HAMBURG Posts: 683	This might be of interest: Rosetta VS Fireface in an A/B test.

9th January 2007, 04:13 PM	#8
Napalm Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 92	Haahhaahh....but....didn't u ask which has BETTER convertors? Napalm.

9th January 2007, 04:35 PM	#10
goldphinga Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 778	Dont listen to what anyone says when it comes to these stupid convertors tests.The ONLY way is test them yourself.

9th January 2007, 04:51 PM	#11
Napalm Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 92	Goldphinga is right. Even though experts all over claim the Ensemble to sound slightly better...it's all up to ur own ears b. Napalm.

9th January 2007, 07:40 PM	#13
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	ah ok...but is not a problem this,....i use my voicemaster pro like a pre,.....i think i can make big sounds with the rme,....and whit this 800 dollars and more i can buy an avalon for example,....and then i think i can hear a great difference,....

9th January 2007, 08:00 PM	#14
TeamSSK Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 116	isnt there only a 400 dollar price differnece between the two over at sweetwater? and why ask a question,if you already know what your gonna do?

11th January 2007, 10:21 AM	#17
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	IB-4ADT: multi-channel ADAT digital I/O you say this?? with this you are sure that the quality is better???

11th January 2007, 12:25 PM	#18
Anonyme Gear nut Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 99	If the IB-4ADT also supports toslink (spdif optical), you should be able to connect this directly to the optical in of the Mac Pro. If not, you'd need the IB-4D plus a coaxial to optical converter. You would not need an additional soundcard in either case. The advantage of staying digital is that the signal is transmitted exactly the way it is inside the MPC.

11th January 2007, 12:54 PM	#20
Anonyme Gear nut Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 99	you can use it with a fireface, too, but why buy an extra card if you can do without it? I would think of this as a waste of money.

11th January 2007, 12:58 PM	#21
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	yes is true but with this card i have another 8 analog in and important for my 8 out,... for you this is the best way to keep the sound like this in the mpc?

11th January 2007, 01:09 PM	#22
Anonyme Gear nut Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 99	sorry, I don't know why I assumed you only wanted to use two channels. If you want to use more you are fine with the adat card (=8 channels) and the Fireface. Then again the converters of the fireface are supposed to be decent, so if you already have the analog output extension you might want to try if the sound pleases you instead of buying the adat expansion too. I was just thinking of the cheapest option assuming you only had the mac pro and an unexpanded mpc4000.

11th January 2007, 01:49 PM	#23
Myfist Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	yes, i can try to test the converters of the rme but i think is the best solutions an adat card,...the sound i think remains the same 100%,...i think one day if a want make mpc -- pre such avalon - rme .. i can use the main out of the mpc eventually....for don't buy the card with 8 analog out ... i hope the rme offer great da and ad converters, for use some outboard in the mix eventually....