2nd verse chord on Pride (in the name of love)

**Jules** · 8th February 2007, 03:12 PM

That is one good chord!

H-U-G-E

Gives me goose bumps when I hear it and even as I type this.

Did a lot of effort go into that?

I mean, The Edge just skips accross about 4 strings to play it but when it comes in, it's like....... HO-LEE SH!T!

I am sure that was the intention...

As I say, that's one NICE chord, perhaps my favorite U2 recorded moment..

Don't tell me you were off the day it was recorded, or in bed with the flu!

please....

Kevin Killen · 8th February 2007, 10:39 PM

Jules,

I have to go listen to that myself..... stay tuned

KK

**Jules** · 9th February 2007, 01:48 AM

The snare fills into the chorus' are pretty damn great too!

Sqye · 9th February 2007, 02:06 AM

..

that is a wonderful track, and one of my favorite Bono moments, ever.

and Jules is right, that 2nd chord is huge.

GREAT work to all involved.

MarkusColeman · 9th February 2007, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules

The snare fills into the chorus' are pretty damn great too!

I love how the song pulls you in the beginning and then becomes less busy (no rhythm guitar in the second verse).

"New Year´s Day" is another mystery to me. that guitar/piano melody sound is infectious. I could just loop the melody and listen to it for days. it´s that good.

anway, don´t take me seriously: I was four when "War" came out.

Absolute · 9th February 2007, 06:35 AM

Hey Jules..best recording site on the net

I hope Kevin elaborates on that too. Its funny because I always thought the same thing on that song. Being a guitar player it seems like a lesson in contrast. The guitar up to that point is so mid heavy it sounds like its boosted true--then he hits that lower note and it just opens up so much depth that wasnt there before that point.

midiman123 · 9th February 2007, 11:16 AM

The Unforgettable fire is my favourite U2 record.
I have always thought that the guitars on that record sounds fantastic!!
They just sound so...3D, and poetic(!) if possible.

I watched "The making of The Unforgettable Fire" the other day, and it's such a inspirational clip to watch, with Kevin, Eno, and Daniel L working together with the band.
If you havent seen it, see it

Kevin, Would you say that the "collage" of guitar sounds happening in the background was a lot of trying out at slane castle, that you keept for the final mixes?

Kind regards
Kenneth

Gregg Sartiano · 9th February 2007, 06:40 PM

A big part of why those chords work so well is that the bass is changing under them, which changes the harmonic function of the notes.

B Major

Chord #1: Notes bottom to top (guitar) -- B F# B D# B E <-- the last B is the open string...same octave as the B on the D string. The notes aren't picked in this order, so use your ears.

Bass goes from B to E under this chord.

Chord #2: Notes bottom to top (guitar) -- A E A C# B E <-- there are no doublings, so this chord is, for lack of a better term, "richer" from a harmonic perspective. The plot thickens! Oh, the elegance of great music!!!

Bass goes from A to F#, with F# being the dominant (V) in the key. You know what that means -- all of a sudden, those notes have a "pull" toward the I chord (B).

---

Try those chords without doing the bass changes -- the drama leaves and the progression just kinda "floats" -- still cool, but no "gravity" or "weight." Savvy arrangement, ensemble playing, great production...

Kevin Killen · 9th February 2007, 08:17 PM

Kenneth,

The experimentation at Slane was about trying to figure out how to incorporate the sonic architecture that Brian and Danny introduced into Edge's style. In the beginning it was hit or miss, we often loved the sound but I think that Edge needed to make it his own.Once he fully understood all the possibilities ( not long) it was fascinating to watch him. And since he is such a sound maven , he really did embrace it and then apply his signature to it from that day forward.

In terms of how much from Slane or Windmill Lane, it was about 60-40.

When we arrived back at Windmill we still had a lot of vocal tracks to do plus some additional guitar work. At one point we ended up recutting "Pride" as the transitions were just not working.( You can see Larry working on that snare fill over and over in the video). Finding that right "surge" into the chorus's was a tricky balance which we ultimately got.

(Still have not had a chance to check out that chord.... this weekend I promise)

In was heading into August 1984, the band were scheduled to go to Australia in a few weeks to start the tour. The album was not finished, songs were incomplete. Bono considered putting off the record till after the tour. Their manager Paul McGuiness insisted otherwise. So for the last week, it was 24 hours a day. Brian taking this first half of the day with me, Danny the second half. There was not a lot of sleep but we managed to finish it at 7am on the last day.

I slept afterwards.............

Kevin

midiman123 · 11th February 2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Killen

In was heading into August 1984, the band were scheduled to go to Australia in a few weeks to start the tour. The album was not finished, songs were incomplete. Bono considered putting off the record till after the tour. Their manager Paul McGuiness insisted otherwise. So for the last week, it was 24 hours a day. Brian taking this first half of the day with me, Danny the second half. There was not a lot of sleep but we managed to finish it at 7am on the last day.

I slept afterwards.............

Kevin

That is just amazing!!
-And the end result: one of the best rock records ever...
Thanks Kevin:-)

KK

Kevin Killen · 12th February 2007, 03:54 PM

That second verse chord...

I agree with Greg's posting in the sense that there is a harmonic convergence that makes it appear that the chord is bigger than it really is, but added to the fact that larry's drums return to the verse pattern and a general clearing out of the track on the first bar, makes it seem enormous. But its just one chord, beautifully played and orchestrated.

Nothing more unusual than that. Remember, they still had to be able to play it live...

KK

**Jules** · 14th February 2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Killen

.....its just one chord, beautifully played and orchestrated.

Nothing more unusual than that. Remember, they still had to be able to play it live...

KK

Beech · 14th February 2007, 01:42 PM

"August 1984:

OMG, it seems so long ago! That was the year Lombard Sound closed Kevin.

Be well!

Daire Winston

Ruudman · 14th February 2007, 03:02 PM

Didn't some of the guitars get a few points of varispeed?

ruudman

Kevin Killen · 14th February 2007, 05:12 PM

Daire,

You are dead right, 1984.....

For those who are curious, Lomabard Sound was the studio where I got my first start.

It reopened a while later as Westland Sound. Still operating today.

Kevin

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Sqye Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: undergound railroad Posts: 6,989	.. that is a wonderful track, and one of my favorite Bono moments, ever. and Jules is right, that 2nd chord is huge. GREAT work to all involved. __________________ Sqye (sky) *wired planet new music CREDITS link directly above ipod player *wired planet *fallen planet "he who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death" .... Thomas Paine

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midiman123 Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 157	I agree The Unforgettable fire is my favourite U2 record. I have always thought that the guitars on that record sounds fantastic!! They just sound so...3D, and poetic(!) if possible. I watched "The making of The Unforgettable Fire" the other day, and it's such a inspirational clip to watch, with Kevin, Eno, and Daniel L working together with the band. If you havent seen it, see it Kevin, Would you say that the "collage" of guitar sounds happening in the background was a lot of trying out at slane castle, that you keept for the final mixes? Kind regards Kenneth

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Gregg Sartiano Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 1,781	A big part of why those chords work so well is that the bass is changing under them, which changes the harmonic function of the notes. B Major Chord #1: Notes bottom to top (guitar) -- B F# B D# B E <-- the last B is the open string...same octave as the B on the D string. The notes aren't picked in this order, so use your ears. Bass goes from B to E under this chord. Chord #2: Notes bottom to top (guitar) -- A E A C# B E <-- there are no doublings, so this chord is, for lack of a better term, "richer" from a harmonic perspective. The plot thickens! Oh, the elegance of great music!!! Bass goes from A to F#, with F# being the dominant (V) in the key. You know what that means -- all of a sudden, those notes have a "pull" toward the I chord (B). --- Try those chords without doing the bass changes -- the drama leaves and the progression just kinda "floats" -- still cool, but no "gravity" or "weight." Savvy arrangement, ensemble playing, great production... __________________ "We need to legitimize peer-to-peer sharing as a business model, because it's already a business. If [the P2P companies] are going to make money on us, we should have a chance to make money along with them." -- Perry Farrell on the failure of national intellectual property policy to keep up with the rapid evolution of online media "Every Internet transmission of a musical work constitutes a public performance of that work. " http://www.ascap.com/weblicense/webfaq.html

8th February 2007, 03:12 PM	#1
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 11,814	2nd verse chord on Pride (in the name of love) That is one good chord! H-U-G-E Gives me goose bumps when I hear it and even as I type this. Did a lot of effort go into that? I mean, The Edge just skips accross about 4 strings to play it but when it comes in, it's like....... HO-LEE SH!T! I am sure that was the intention... As I say, that's one NICE chord, perhaps my favorite U2 recorded moment.. Don't tell me you were off the day it was recorded, or in bed with the flu! please.... __________________ Jules "...there are some amazing deals to be had in this right now. it brings battleship mixing closer to the jilted generation" - reptil

8th February 2007, 10:39 PM	#2
Kevin Killen engineer / producer / mixer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 312	Jules, I have to go listen to that myself..... stay tuned KK

9th February 2007, 06:35 AM	#6
Absolute Lives for gear Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 833	Hey Jules..best recording site on the net I hope Kevin elaborates on that too. Its funny because I always thought the same thing on that song. Being a guitar player it seems like a lesson in contrast. The guitar up to that point is so mid heavy it sounds like its boosted true--then he hits that lower note and it just opens up so much depth that wasnt there before that point.

9th February 2007, 08:17 PM	#9
Kevin Killen engineer / producer / mixer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 312	Kenneth, The experimentation at Slane was about trying to figure out how to incorporate the sonic architecture that Brian and Danny introduced into Edge's style. In the beginning it was hit or miss, we often loved the sound but I think that Edge needed to make it his own.Once he fully understood all the possibilities ( not long) it was fascinating to watch him. And since he is such a sound maven , he really did embrace it and then apply his signature to it from that day forward. In terms of how much from Slane or Windmill Lane, it was about 60-40. When we arrived back at Windmill we still had a lot of vocal tracks to do plus some additional guitar work. At one point we ended up recutting "Pride" as the transitions were just not working.( You can see Larry working on that snare fill over and over in the video). Finding that right "surge" into the chorus's was a tricky balance which we ultimately got. (Still have not had a chance to check out that chord.... this weekend I promise) In was heading into August 1984, the band were scheduled to go to Australia in a few weeks to start the tour. The album was not finished, songs were incomplete. Bono considered putting off the record till after the tour. Their manager Paul McGuiness insisted otherwise. So for the last week, it was 24 hours a day. Brian taking this first half of the day with me, Danny the second half. There was not a lot of sleep but we managed to finish it at 7am on the last day. I slept afterwards............. Kevin

12th February 2007, 03:54 PM	#11
Kevin Killen engineer / producer / mixer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 312	That second verse chord... I agree with Greg's posting in the sense that there is a harmonic convergence that makes it appear that the chord is bigger than it really is, but added to the fact that larry's drums return to the verse pattern and a general clearing out of the track on the first bar, makes it seem enormous. But its just one chord, beautifully played and orchestrated. Nothing more unusual than that. Remember, they still had to be able to play it live... KK

14th February 2007, 01:42 PM	#13
Beech Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 636	"August 1984: OMG, it seems so long ago! That was the year Lombard Sound closed Kevin. Be well! Daire Winston

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14th February 2007, 05:12 PM	#15
Kevin Killen engineer / producer / mixer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 312	Daire, You are dead right, 1984..... For those who are curious, Lomabard Sound was the studio where I got my first start. It reopened a while later as Westland Sound. Still operating today. Kevin

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