Drum Samples

[RoundBadge]

I'm over by olympic & fairfax!

[e-cue]

LA gearslutz unite...

[RoundBadge]

[pony]

we should all hang out sometime

[radiospace]

Have any of you BFD'ers (my computer-printed receipt actually said "Big Friggin' Drums" on it ) figured out how to use the variable hi-hat sample key? I tried mapping it to the mod wheel of my keyboard and it didn't work properly: there were dead spots everywhere except top, middle and bottom of the wheel. I also tried it with the sustain pedal with even weirder results. Can't find anything in the manual about it...

[LumenStudio]

Originally posted by e-cue
LA gearslutz unite...

Interesting how a drum sample thread draws so many people from LA and the NYC area (me).

[Elsteve9]

Norwalk, here.


-Stephen

[LumenStudio]

I just picked up BFD XFL. I'll let you know how I make out.

[Jan Folkson]

Originally posted by LumenStudio
Interesting how a drum sample thread draws so many people from LA and the NYC area (me).

NYC Gearslutz unite!

Hey E-Cue, love the avatar

[LumenStudio]

Just used BFD XFL on a project that I'm working on and first impression is that it is an improvement in all the right ways. The hi hat, cymbals, kicks, and snares sound better. The extra velocities are very noticable. I was using their humanize functions, velocity and timing, and I had to adjust them quite a bit because before I really made them more off to get more dynamics and now I needed to tighten things up because they were way too off. (My high school english teacher would be proud of that run on) This is a good thing. XFL seems very promising. The hats sound much much better, as do the cymbals. Keep an eye out.

[Imagine]

Lumen--Thx for the info regarding the XFL. I was wondering how it compared to the original.

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Now, here's a question for dfhs users regarding the "Overhead & Ambience" tracks in Pro Tools. I have dfhs set up as per their recommendation, via Rewire:

0=Kick
1=SnareTop
2=SnareBottom
3=Tom1
4=Tom2
5=Tom3
6=Tom4
7=Tom5
8=Hats
10= Overhead - Left
11= Overhead - Right
12= Ambience - Left
13 = Ambience - Right

If I sound the Kick, 11 and 12 are heard with the Kick, but there's no room sound coming out of 10 or 13. Is there a bug with the separation of sound?

Is anyone else having this problem?

Thanks
Dean

[Phil Buckle]

Very strange. Check all your rewire plugs and make sure they match the channel.
If in doubt just import the DFHS PTools template into your current session.

[LumenStudio]

Originally posted by Imagine
Lumen--Thx for the info regarding the XFL. I was wondering how it compared to the original.

Please take what I said knowing that it was about 2 hours of work with it, although I am very used to the original BFD. There is definitely an improvement though, that I can assure you.

[Imagine]

Very strange. Check all your rewire plugs and make sure they match the channel.
If in doubt just import the DFHS PTools template into your current session.

Phil,

It was Rewire. I had #9 in there as well, when it was plainly clear that the numbers go from 0-8 / 10-13. It obviously went over my head!

Thanks again
Dean

[spherop]

Aside from BFL or DFH - and all the libraries that model real drums- ....
where can we find libraries that pull it off more on the electronic mayhem phatness tip - not real - just massive. Multed kicks, snares etc - hiphop-ish. Any favs?

[Phil Buckle]

Originally posted by spherop
Aside from BFL or DFH - and all the libraries that model real drums- ....
where can we find libraries that pull it off more on the electronic mayhem phatness tip - not real - just massive. Multed kicks, snares etc - hiphop-ish. Any favs?

1) BT Breaks from the New School (loops) but some great sounds to rip.
2) Skippies Noizbox....... Loops, but check out all the kicks and snares that come with it.......devastating. Great for soundreplacing or multing.
3] Chemical Beats......... Loops but lots of good sub noises.
4) There's a track on the latest John Mayer album that has 4 bars of drums out on its own. I use that for multing kick and snare. (is that legal?)

5) If you know someone who has a Mophatt rack module then borrow it for the weekend and sample all the drum sounds. Great for multing or sound replacing.

[Imagine]

Phil,

Can you explain "multing"?

How easy is it to soundreplace a sound in Pro Tools? I don't have the "Soundreplace" plug-in, but I understand it's a real time saver when looking for alternate sounds.

Thx
Dean

[Phil Buckle]

Originally posted by Imagine
Phil,

Can you explain "multing"?

How easy is it to soundreplace a sound in Pro Tools? I don't have the "Soundreplace" plug-in, but I understand it's a real time saver when looking for alternate sounds.

Thx
Dean

I find Soundreplacer extremely useful and it saves me a lot of time.
Be careful to go in to the replaced track and line up the transients with the original. Soundreplacer is usually a little off the mark.
Multing a track usually refers to duplicating a track applying treatment to it and bringing it up under the original.
So you might be after some attack on a snare.........you duplicate the snare track and just work on the attack of it either with eq or comp or both. You could actually eq out any other part of the sound ie the body of the snare. Then you take this attack sound and bring it up in volume under the real snare. It's very different from just working with the original sound.
There are many uses for this technique but watch out for phase issues. You don't want any part of the mult to be the same as the original track or you will destroy the sound.
There is an engineer on this list called e-cue who has posted some in depth descriptions of this technique. Do a search on him or multing.
Good luck!

[spherop]

Phil - you made my day - just what I was looking for.
thx!

Originally posted by Phil Buckle
1) BT Breaks from the New School (loops) but some great sounds to rip.
2) Skippies Noizbox....... Loops, but check out all the kicks and snares that come with it.......devastating. Great for soundreplacing or multing.
3] Chemical Beats......... Loops but lots of good sub noises.
4) There's a track on the latest John Mayer album that has 4 bars of drums out on its own. I use that for multing kick and snare. (is that legal?)

5) If you know someone who has a Mophatt rack module then borrow it for the weekend and sample all the drum sounds. Great for multing or sound replacing.

[norman_nomad]

I have a small website where I sell acoustic drum samples that I've created if anyones interested in checking it out.

Nothing groundbreaking, but they're very usable, and very resonably priced ;)

the site ----> www.musicians-samples.com

[youngpeluso]

e-cue wrote: LA gearslutz unite...

word.

you need to come by Ent more often

[jho]

So how is everyone triggering their DFH or BFD? Drumkat, Midi keyboard, step sequencing, what?

I play drums with a zendrum and can get pretty life-like sounding stuff just using Battery...how do the other programs work via playing them real time? Latency an issue at all? I gotta download DFH and check it out I suppose!

[radiospace]

Originally posted by jho
So how is everyone triggering their DFH or BFD? Drumkat, Midi keyboard, step sequencing, what?

I usually play the MIDI keyboard. I also have a Roland SPD-20, which is a sample-based drum instrument with 8 pads that can be played with sticks or hands. I rarely use it for some odd reason. Speaking of Reason I also will use the Redrum pattern sequencer in that program for electronic stuff that is perfectly quantized. In Cubase I will usually apply an iterative quantize on any drum parts I play manually on the keyboard, from between 20% and 67% depending on the performance. This tightens up the feel without making it seem mechanical... at least that's the theory.

The difficult part for me is the high hat and trying to achieve a reasonable result from samples that resembles a real drummer opening and closing the hat... it's a mystery to me.

[Lawrence]

The Battery Studio Session samples are very nice multisamples of some really expensive and well tuned kits. $99. Very good stereo samples that cover about 7 different drum kits I think.

If you don't have Battery it may be a pain in the ass to recreate the layers in another app, unless it supports importing the Battery format.

Lawrence Farr
The Audio Cave

[jho]

Originally posted by Lawrence
The Battery Studio Session samples are very nice multisamples of some really expensive and well tuned kits. $99. Very good stereo samples that cover about 7 different drum kits I think.

If you don't have Battery it may be a pain in the ass to recreate the layers in another app, unless it supports importing the Battery format.

Lawrence Farr
The Audio Cave

I have that collection, yes use them all the time. Only paid $59 I think at GC...

[LumenStudio]

Well, I have to admit I've been dissapointed with the snare sound in BFD XFL after playing with it for a while. It just seems there are some wierd sounding samples in some of the velocity layers. I just ordered Scarbee Imperial Drums which sound great on the demos, I'll let you all know the comparison once I get it in next week.

[Imagine]

Phil,

Thx for the info re: Multing.

For those using the "Battery Studio Session" samples, can they be used with MachFive under ProTools?

If it can't be used with MachFive due to layering, etc., what program would you use it with?

Thanks
Dean

[Phil Buckle]

Go check these samples out.......

http://www.drumsondemand.com/index.htm

I can't believe I've never heard of these guys.
Have a listen to all 3 CD's.
Quite useable I think and available in REX 2 format as well.
Very reasonably priced and a good addition to your live drum collection.

[jho]

Originally posted by Imagine
Phil,

Thx for the info re: Multing.

For those using the "Battery Studio Session" samples, can they be used with MachFive under ProTools?

If it can't be used with MachFive due to layering, etc., what program would you use it with?

Thanks
Dean

I'd use them with....Battery!

(sorry couldn't resist)

[LumenStudio]

Originally posted by Phil Buckle
Go check these samples out.......

http://www.drumsondemand.com/index.htm

I can't believe I've never heard of these guys.
Have a listen to all 3 CD's.
Quite useable I think and available in REX 2 format as well.
Very reasonably priced and a good addition to your live drum collection.

Thanks for the heads up on these. I may pick these up for quick beats...