Programmed drums help.

[Angus_FX]

Hi,

The BFD samples are licensed to a user, for use in complete musical works in which the user in question makes a direct musical contribution.

So, it's absolutely legal for you to use it on a client's track, even if the track was already mostly finished and all you did was add some BFD drum parts.

What is NOT legal is using the BFD samples for things that we do not consider "complete musical works", and then redistributing those works. (it's legal to create the works for your own use, just not to redistribute them). Basically what that means is, we do not allow people to use BFD to make commercial loop CDs (at least unless they get our permission), and nor should you use it to provide loops to a client that THEY will then assemble in to a finished track. Nor may you use BFD to create drum kits for other samplers, and then redistribute those samples.

Regards,
Angus.

[TheReal7]

here is a sample of what I was able to get out of samples. There is no vox and the mix isn't perfect....but I think the drums sounds pretty amazing.

http://www.thereal7.com/sample.html

Love to hear some input.

[Shan]

Originally posted by Angus_FX
Hi,

The BFD samples are licensed to a user, for use in complete musical works in which the user in question makes a direct musical contribution.

So, it's absolutely legal for you to use it on a client's track, even if the track was already mostly finished and all you did was add some BFD drum parts.

Regards,
Angus.

Thanks Angus, nice to see you here. BFD worked great. The overheads and room mics and PZM floor mics really added to the track

Shane

[picksail]

Real7,

Nice riff. The guitars sound mean as hell. What was your chain on those? I did notice that in the bridge section they become slightly phasey. I would have personally, chosen to use a different tone for the sections other than the verse, where it sounds great. Elsewhere, it seemed a bit too edgy. You could try pulling out a bit around 3k. Maybe even a gentle shelf. This way the compressor won't have to work so hard.

It terms of the drums, I did notice what sounds sort of like chorus on the ride. Was this deliberate? Also, were you intending to present the song from the drummers perspective? I would also suggest moving the hats closer to center. You might also, want to LP at approx. 12k on the hats-they seem a little bright.

I know this is just an example, so I apoligize if I seem to hypercritical.

[tee boy]

Thanks Angus for clearing that up! It seems that you are among the more generous of soundware providers. The rules you set out above seem totally fair and just. Unfortuntely, I can only wish this was the case with more developers, many of whom seem to take the piss, big time. Without trying to go totally OT, I'll just say that several developers have been quite misleading in their descriptions regarding their so called vst 'sound modules', which are little more than glorified sample CD's (with all the same restrictions). It seems that some wish to have their cake and eat it imo, and are happy to spread mis-information in order for it to 'appear' that their products are a good deal. Hence why i personally opt to take the time and effort to record my own samples, and will continue to do so.

However, DFH and BFD are both really useful, GREAT sounding products and i recommend them both to anyone requiring awesome sounding drum hits. Im sure many of the other similar products are of an equally high quality, but my advice is to check out the license agreement before purchasing.

[TheReal7]

Originally posted by picksail
Real7,

Nice riff. The guitars sound mean as hell. What was your chain on those? I did notice that in the bridge section they become slightly phasey. I would have personally, chosen to use a different tone for the sections other than the verse, where it sounds great. Elsewhere, it seemed a bit too edgy. You could try pulling out a bit around 3k. Maybe even a gentle shelf. This way the compressor won't have to work so hard.

It terms of the drums, I did notice what sounds sort of like chorus on the ride. Was this deliberate? Also, were you intending to present the song from the drummers perspective? I would also suggest moving the hats closer to center. You might also, want to LP at approx. 12k on the hats-they seem a little bright.

I know this is just an example, so I apoligize if I seem to hypercritical.

Thanks for the tips.....all are welcome. I only mixed this in my headphones and home shelf stereo. The chain on guitars is simple. One Rode NT1-A mic on my Mesa boogie gear(Mesa TriAxis thru a Mesa 2:90 power amp thru a Mesa 4x12 cab) I thought the hats were too bright too, but it took a bit of time replacing the drums and I didn't have much time to spend last night on them. As for the chorus sound on the ride....that could be from the faux room delays. I will remove the delay and see if it improves. And yes, I am just setting up my sound and mix before I dive into writing this whole disc. So I appreciate all the info and tips.

[Shan]

Originally posted by tee boy
...DFH and BFD are both really useful, GREAT sounding products and i recommend them both to anyone requiring awesome sounding drum hits. Im sure many of the other similar products are of an equally high quality, but my advice is to check out the license agreement before purchasing.

I agree with the advice. Even before stating claims like this:

Originally posted by tee boy
PS The guy who used BFD on a clients record, you do know that is piracy right? Not that Im trying to start telling people how to run their business, but it seems many people make the mistake that its legal to use there samples on 'other peoples' tracks. Just figured you might want to know, considering the hard line many people take to piracy around these parts

Shane

[tee boy]

Yeah, i do apologies totally for making that claim and im glad Agnus set the record straight. Again, Im very happy to see that BFD's licenses allow the product to be used to its full potential by professional producers.

However, I would still argue that my original claim be true for 99.9% of soundware and sample products. Ive been personally told by way to many soundware developers that using my 'purchased' soundware on clients records is infringement of copyright, and have developed more than a slight issue with the attitude of many developers towards so called piracy. Examples like this only illuminate the cock eyed way in which phonograhic copyright is used and abused to suit certain parties needs. Surely it would be in the best interests of the customer (who lets face it, is uing the products in a musical application and cant be in anyway presumed an expert in copyright law) if standard licenses could be developed for all soundware products and vsti's. This way it would be much clearer for customers to see exactly what they are getting for their money when considering sample CD, VST module or hardware module.

FAO Angus, Iv will remove that claim from my post to hopefully prevent anybody else reading this mis-information. Sorry if i caused you any agro fella!

[Shan]

Great to see you take responsibility for the statment Tee boy And from your shared knowledge I will definitely read the fine print and the license agreements when I use any sample CD's. I never really put that much thought into using the stuff without checking out the details. Thanks

Shane