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The new Automatic Delay Compensation - how is it?

What is it like mixing with the new PT software?

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3rd party sotware compatibility

What about if you use your hardware (HD3 Accell in this case) with Logic Pro?
Is ADC restricted to the PT app or is it coded in the drivers accessible for 3:rd party developers?
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the way I understood it one has to 'calculate' the delay a hardware insert has and enter that amount of samples in the soft .... so my guess is that unless Logic offers a software way of doing that .... it won't work....

or could it be in the hardware settings ?


just guessing.
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Of course this throws up a flag / question - will the ADC work with 3rd party hardware that has different A/D/ D/A thru latency times than the proprietary Digi i/o hardware?
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aha .... good one ....
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Not to be a killjoy re questions about the latest digi software, but I'm still running 6.1 at The Gate. I've been in the middle of a few mixing projects and I haven't had the time to make the change over to Panther, plug updates, etc.

So sorry, I haven't had hands with it yet.
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This is crazy, unless your running at 2X 192 your gunna get it. Wait a while and line up.
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did I miss something?? I thought ADC will be in 6.4 and as far as I know latest update is 6.2.3

tell me if I`m wrong
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6.2.3-6.4 is the path of Digi's choice ...
It is supposed to be available end of april for a nominal bump fee..



Not bad for my first post here in slutworld...

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now that we are down this hole..

how much dsp is adc gonna chew up..

I have a feeling it aint just code?

right...

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now that we are down this hole..

how much dsp is adc gonna chew up..

I have a feeling it aint just code?

right...

-ws
Well I have been using a lot more outboard plugins of late so I will be happy. Upgrading the old G4/400 to a G5 2gig as it will be OSX only.
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how much dsp is adc gonna chew up..
Whoa... ADC is going to suck up my DSP horsepower??? Say it ain't so.

Anyone got the official 'party line' on this?
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Don't worry, it doesn't use as much DSP as you think.

Can't give any other details until it's released, sorry.
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As someone using ADC in Nuendo, I was surprised at first to see how much CPU was used, but once I started thinking about how much buffering has to go on, it starts to make sense. What really hits the cpu is routing. Straight inserts aren't that bad, but once you start compensating sends and groups, things get pretty complex pretty quickly. Given that delay based/memory type operations have always been the weak spots for Digi hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if PDC isn't a cheap adventure.

This is most likely why they are offering the Accel upgrade to Mix and HD users. It may be that PDC makes a Mix system very anemic very quickly, and even an HD might be unhappy with the memory requirements (it might end up like the old days where you don't have enough of certain chip to do an operation.)
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Why couldn't digi of developed a basic console with SSL or Neve (like fook they would) for summing and control of pro tools and inserts etc (auxes). I don't trust delay compensation for outboard and bussing duties it is surely is a hard task (adc) for programmers, the matrix us guys make create to many possibilities.

I actually believe Digi to be right in it taking them so long and don't belive it will be truly possible to be in a virtual analogue domain until we see 2 ghz sample rates, this is less about sound quality and more about speed of conversion.

But Hey!! they developed a mutha fooooking huge mouse called Icon D control or soming . Well all I can say is marketing and looks is all Digi have going for them at the moment.

With Pro Tools 7 you will see an improved mix buss again, midi functions that are 10 yrs old in some software and Im sure something interesting but not very useful features.

Saying all that though I do respect the initial and present design team who helped create the most useable computer audio tracking system in the world. Only when people get critical is when you know your good!! Unfortunaltely for them and us the mighty dollar is paramount and development cost's been probably to high have led to......well spend it on marketing.
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some facts about pt ADC

ADC in pt:

Dleay Comp for Plugs.
Dleay Comp Routing (groups, subs, auxes etc..).
Dleay Comp for hardware inserts (compensates for ad/da conversion delay) (also an extra manual compensation for outboard digital devices like reverbs, L2 etc..)

delay compensation is defeatable per track and global DelayCompensation can be toggled on and off in real time.

each track is indivually adjustable (I.E. you can see that the track is delayed 3 samples but if you wish you can push or hold for feel per track)

theres even a new overdub scheme where ad/da delay are compensated after the record pass.

PT 6.4 in general is just awesome you will all see. - LP Title
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Pretty amazing!! Thats some serious clever doo daa. Are they sending a message within the audio unit technology. i.e a signal that goes ahead of the actual audio to tell the DAW what is happening?

Either way it can get confusing, thats why I don't trust it at the mo. I ain't gunna trust a computer till it proves it's worthy!!
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When is 6.4 with adc supposed to ship? Anyone?

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When is 6.4 with adc supposed to ship? Anyone?

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6.4 LE is said to ship around the 15th of April -- 6.4 for HD with ADC around the end of the month. The D-Control/ICON will be shown at NAB on the 19th of April.. and it ships with 6.4

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Cool, Any word on additional dsp useage for HD? Will it be giant or nominal difference? In other words will one need to buy additional cards to run it effectively? Previous posts asked this just following up.

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Cool, Any word on additional dsp useage for HD? Will it be giant or nominal difference? In other words will one need to buy additional cards to run it effectively? Previous posts asked this just following up.

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I'm not at liberty to discuss the specifics.. but it's not as much as you're imagining

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Hi,

Digi's ADC implementation looks fantastic, can't wait. Just wondering; Do we need to update our plugins to "ADC-aware" plugins, or will it work right out of the box? I know most of the plugs reports its latency to the host system today, but you never know...

Anyone?

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Plug-ins have to be updated to support the D-Control center section, the correct category and the new clipping indicator features of 6.4... otherwise they should work fine (almost all have already reported the correct amount of delay).

You should expect free updates.

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6.4 LE is said to ship around the 15th of April -- 6.4 for HD with ADC around the end of the month. The D-Control/ICON will be shown at NAB on the 19th of April.. and it ships with 6.4

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according to the cover of mix magazine.... at least one [looks like 3 slammed together] has already shipped aquiring the first.
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We're talking about a release version of 6.4

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Well, it's only fair for me to eat some crow here, after my negativite predictions about Digi's ADC. If it works as Rail says, it looks like a superior implementation.

In that case, I will absolutely have to congratulate the Digi development team bigtime, and reiterate my feelings that something good is going on in upstairs management at Digidesign. This is smart stuff.
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I hope it will all be on show at the Berlin AES.

I will be wanting to check it out.
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