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No where!
I thought there was talk of an off site demo somewhere. Guess not.

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Can anyone confirm that it will be 20 000 $ (found the information on Vintageking's facebook).
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I'm probably going to get a few thumbsdown for this, but it needs to be said.

I applaud them for making a large area for mouse and keyboard.....BUT....

I'm really sick of companies catering specifically toward current apple products. (and this is coming from an Apple user)

The little inset area for the keyboard fits the current (crappy) Apple keyboard, but what happens next year when they change the design and your kebyoard dies. What happens if you are a PC user and your keyboard is much larger.

I don't like the fact that an entire console is built around one short lived and very specific apple Apple product. That's way too much money to spend on something you may have for 20 years built around a piece of tech that is KNOWN to have a shelf life of a year or less.

This trend needs to stop.


if you want to build a $1,000 piece around an ipad or whatever....that's fine.

But don't build aspects of a CONSOLE (which you could have for a LONG time) to cater to things like that.
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Can anyone confirm that it will be 20 000 $ (found the information on Vintageking's facebook).
I would be very (pleasantly) surprised at that.
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I would be very (pleasantly) surprised at that.
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20, 000? You got to be kidding me!
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Allegedly it's $19,995 msrp (VK Facebook). Need a qualified source to confirm.
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If that's the price and there is an expansion option (especially the frame/faders), I might be all in!
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Allegedly it's $19,995 msrp (VK Facebook). Need a qualified source to confirm.
Wow! If what's in that pic in the op is just $20k they will sell really well and I will be one of the first customers.

8 ams/neve pre's, comps, eq's alone is well over $30k. The a/d/a conversion, monitor section, faders, touch screen, summing, etc. add much more $. Maybe $20k is for a stripped down starter package.
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Wow! If what's in that pic in the op is just $20k they will sell really well and I will be one of the first customers.

8 ams/neve pre's, comps, eq's alone is well over $30k. The a/d/a conversion, monitor section, faders, touch screen, summing, etc. add much more $. Maybe $20k is for a stripped down starter package.
Idk man. I think 8 channels IS the stripped down version. I'm kinda exited about this.
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I cant find anything about price on the vk fb.
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Click Genesys image - there are a couple of comments stating less than 20k, altought they arent from VK.
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This is easily one of the sexiest things I've seen!
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Expandable it is NOT. 88r eq is stock. Can upgrade to 1084eq, however. Being stuck at 16 channels at mixdown stinks, but for 20k, or 18k or so street......

Add an ssl sigma, one or two 4081's & 8 channels of bettermaker eq's you'd still be completely recallable. That'd be 48 inputs plus two more busses.
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The basic 16ch Genesys costs £28k+VAT. So a £20k (+VAT) for the "Black" might be feasible, as it only sports 8 chs rather than the 16 from the original Genesys -although the "black" also includes 8 more central faders and more metal.

Anyway, the £28k+VAT price is for the "pale" 16ch Genesys. That is, no moving faders, no Eq or dynamics, no ADA, no Firewire, no recall, no nothing. And the included 16 pres don't have transformers either, which is another option.
Once you load the Genesys with the options, the price essentially doubles up.

Will the "Black" include moving faders, (88_style) EQ+DYN, automation, and ADA as default?
Could you add some more 8ch buckets?

On further inquires, looks like the 16 central faders are those that will control the DAW. So as it's displayed on the PR, you get 8 mono chs (that include 8 additional monitoring inputs), 8 group tracks, which can also accept external inputs, and 4 st fx returns.

It might be enough for some. If I remember correctly, Greg Wells' Undertone console is exactly that: 8 full chs plus 16 line inputs (no DAW control or FX rts though).
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Expandable it is NOT. 88r eq is stock. Can upgrade to 1084eq, however. Being stuck at 16 channels at mixdown stinks, but for 20k, or 18k or so street......

Add an ssl sigma, one or two 4081's & 8 channels of bettermaker eq's you'd still be completely recallable. That'd be 48 inputs plus two more busses.
Hey lipps are you getting these details from the show floor? This console would fit my workflow perfectly if all this is true with that price point
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Hey lipps are you getting these details from the show floor? This console would fit my workflow perfectly if all this is true with that price point
VK answered my questions directly on Facebook. Didn't get price from VK on Facebook but the price was in the timeline and drew townson from VK didn't refute it. He did state something about how amazing the price point was.
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If you take the current special GC pro price for a 24 channel unit that is 75000 it supposedly includes 4 band 88 eq, 1073 style pres, and 8 dynamics ....so you could extrapolate $ 3000 per strip this would also include the monitor and buss sections of the console and a 24 large fader footprint and 8 buss faders...includes TR and moving faders...

So I am figuring it will be in the actually ballpark of $3000 per channel plus additional costs for the center control touch screen ...and and so I think closer to 30k with input transformers would be more in the real price range... Otherwise if I was a current genesys owner I would be seriously pissed off..
I also see no reason you would be limited to only 16 channels of analog control at mix unless the 16 middle section faders do not have line inputs and only control daw functions..which they might...there is no indication they are analog ..other wise it has a potential of 38 or more inputs at mix
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Yeah I was about to rethink my prior estimate.. To 40 k based on genesys current pricing. With Ada yeah I could see 50k

Still has potential though.
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An old design with a screen in the middle and a wrist space large enough for a keyboard.

I guess that they should be re-inventing the Logic consoles instead....and hire a designer too...
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Expandable it is NOT. 88r eq is stock. Can upgrade to 1084eq, however. Being stuck at 16 channels at mixdown stinks, but for 20k, or 18k or so street......

Add an ssl sigma, one or two 4081's & 8 channels of bettermaker eq's you'd still be completely recallable. That'd be 48 inputs plus two more busses.
What is the difference between the 88R eq and the 1084 ? what is the 88R eq based off of ? Thanks
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Everyone who saw the 20k price in this thread will have it honored.
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$50k, & NOT expandable?
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50k ? I'm not in.
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I was quoted 65k usd plus minus 5k for a 16 channel almost fully loaded neve genesys with all the connection and all.

if this goes for 40k usd or so it might still be pretty much worth it.
Considering a project studio or a young commercial start up studios. You can then use the remaining 25k to get some plugins, another 16 or so channel of external outboard pres and patch them in via hd io or something.

That would pretty get you settled, with the touchscreen interface with DAW and also quality metering this might really work for the sort of market I mention about above.
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The bit that caught my eye was the word 'MADI'!
Surely MADI is old news in 2013? Audio over IP?
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An old design with a screen in the middle and a wrist space large enough for a keyboard.

I guess that they should be re-inventing the Logic consoles instead....and hire a designer too...
They did re-invent the Logic consoles and call them DFC
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