Steinberg's site now shows Cubase 4 (w/videos and writeups)

[mhartman]

http://www.steinberg.de

[artbeat77]

Looks great!!

[K-Slash]

I don't know why they haven't updated the old synths like Embracer and Monologue, they are ugly-looking, and don't sit right in Cubase 4.


But, the thing who makes me more disapointed is that : time-stretch and pitch-shift.

I've seen in the PDF file of the new features that MPEX3 is used for offline rendering, but for realtime what is used ?

I can't find informations about MPEX3 ! Only about MPEX2 on the official MPEX websiste, and on the page news it says that MPEX4 is coming pretty soon !

On Cubase SX 3, the AudioWarp algorithm doesn't sound good, even the MPEX one ! So now that iZotope has released Radius and offering licensing like in Sonar 6, I'm a bit disapointed you know because in my view it's the best sounding algorithm, better than MPEX or DIRAC.

And now with MPEX4 coming soon and MPEX3 being used I'm a bit confused...

I was hoping for better improvements in this domain for this release but no, they haven't made improvements like that, what the hell .

[stag]

Audio Warp the same in Ableton.
I never tried DIRAC but that´s the first time i heard prosoniq mpx3 is no good.
BTW pitch shift in cubase now includes formants as well.

[Solar]

Thats all i have to say from what i just saw.. Stein going to the NEXT LEVEL for real.. lets how all these new feature will work out!!

Thanx....

[sigmatibet]

like it!!!!!!

[John Suitcase]

Looks pretty nice! I was wondering when they would release an OS X Universal Binary version. Now I guess I can start planning to transition from my G5 iMac. Of course, I'm sure a lot of plug-ins could have problems.

But it's definitely nice to see a new version, and the upgrade price from SX 3 doesn't look too outrageous...

[P. Rene]

i love the dark mood, hope movable insterts was implemented in the 1st go round release. But we're still restricted to 8 plugs i see ohhhh well.

[mhartman]

The video shows drag and drop inserts. Such a simple concept, so nice to have it implemented (finally). It also looks like you can drag and drop (copy) inserts to other channels in the mixer view. No more having to save an EQ setting as a preset when trying to match up EQ's on dual mono stereo tracks.

Mike

[kungfugeek]

Originally Posted by John Suitcase

...and the upgrade price from SX 3 doesn't look too outrageous...

Just found the upgrade link and cost, $199.00 from SX 3 http://steinbergupgrades.com/upgrade.html

[Solar]

Originally Posted by mhartman

The video shows drag and drop inserts. Such a simple concept, so nice to have it implemented (finally). It also looks like you can drag and drop (copy) inserts to other channels in the mixer view. No more having to save an EQ setting as a preset when trying to match up EQ's on dual mono stereo tracks.

Mike

Youc an drag and drop anything you wish man and move it where you want or so, its simply a Flying movable add-ons and i think we're all take advantage of it because its the way to work, just like in Live Ableton.. they got the approach and here Steny brings it up..

Can not wait.. and for the upgrade its not that expensive.. can't wait to see hwo much would be the upgrade price for Nuendo4

[FalconerHK]

Well, nothing I've seen mentions sidechaining for plugins. Damn.

That's the ONLY thing I wanted in version 4.

[6strings]

Note that the UV22HR dithering plug is not available for Macintels yet. I don't know about the UV22 though (it's not mentioned in the plug in list)...

[mhartman]

Originally Posted by FalconerHK

Well, nothing I've seen mentions sidechaining for plugins. Damn.

That's the ONLY thing I wanted in version 4.

I would have to think that VST3 would cover that, but I haven't seen any mention either.

[mhartman]

Here is a bit of discussion on sidechaining in Cubase 4/VST3:

http://www.cubase.de/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=55441

[jjdpro]

Fo Me, as a Nuendo 2-3 user, the sound quality was just not cutting it with aggressive styles of music over 50 tracks (ITB).. That was attributed to a few things:

• The use of non floating point plug ins
• 32 bit float
• Asio2 could only take so much bandwidth
• Hot mixing...big no no..

I feeling really good about Cu base 4 and Nuendo 4. it seem that Steinberg has risen to the Digi Pro Tools Challege in the summing buss. Just by hearing that demo, I could tell that the audio engine and summing bus has take A MAJOR leap forward. AND, with the other goodies, I can now say that, My Pro tools days are coming to an end..Thank you Lord!! Jesus!! Whoo whooo !!!!!

Man, this Cubase 4 cooks!! With those new control room features WOW!!!Very professional..

[Faderjockey]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

Fo Me, as a Nuendo 2-3 user, the sound quality was just not cutting it with aggressive styles of music over 50 tracks (ITB).. That was attributed to a few things:

• The use of non floating point plug ins
• 32 bit float
• Asio2 could only take so much bandwidth
• Hot mixing...big no no..

I feeling really good about Cu base 4 and Nuendo 4. it seem that Steinberg has risen to the Digi Pro Tools Challege in the summing buss. Just by hearing that demo, I could tell that the audio engine and summing bus has take A MAJOR leap forward. AND, with the other goodies, I can now say that, My Pro tools days are coming to an end..Thank you Lord!! Jesus!! Whoo whooo !!!!!

Man, this Cubase 4 cooks!! With those new control room features WOW!!!Very professional..

Really! Because I found SX3 to handle rock stuff better then PT's... I mean I'm still tracking every day in PT's. But mix time has been much faster and sounded better to me at least in SX.

But I just read that Cubase 4 didn't change the audio engine so not sure your going to be happy...about that.

[JMWS]

Yep, what´s up with the audio engine?

I think that is pretty important thing.

Are there any improvements, or is CUBASE still gonna be the loser on that area? (vs PT, SONAR, SAMP and so on...)

[Faderjockey]

Originally Posted by JMWS

Yep, what´s up with the audio engine?

I think that is pretty important thing.

Are there any improvements, or is CUBASE still gonna be the loser on that area? (vs PT, SONAR, SAMP and so on...)

Again I think SX3 sounded very good... I think it would be cool if they expand on it.. But as it is I think it sounds very good.

[jjdpro]

Originally Posted by Faderjockey

Really! Because I found SX3 to handle rock stuff better then PT's... I mean I'm still tracking every day in PT's. But mix time has been much faster and sounded better to me at least in SX.

But I just read that Cubase 4 didn't change the audio engine so not sure your going to be happy...about that.

While SX 3 /Nuendo sounds good, Pro Tools 7 has that "radio" ready sound without adding fx. No my friend, it's been noted to death that after 50 tracks with plugins, the mix buss collapes.. As well as, you have to really watch your master fader level.. Best to keep at around -6db or you start getting nasty distortion and other wierd artifacts..

[Sammy]

For inquiring minds who want to know:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1265/19um21ew.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3083/21af3xb.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2228/32ig18pc.jpg

I'm not sure of the status of these documents (they were posted on the RME newsgroup), but it looks like there's more to come?

[orange]

Originally Posted by Sammy

For inquiring minds who want to know:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1265/19um21ew.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3083/21af3xb.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2228/32ig18pc.jpg

I'm not sure of the status of these documents (they were posted on the RME newsgroup), but it looks like there's more to come?

they were revealed as fakes on the cubase.net forum

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by orange

they were revealed as fakes on the cubase.net forum

Ok, makes sense. Innovation at snail's pace it is, then

[mixedup]

Originally Posted by mhartman

Here is a bit of discussion on sidechaining in Cubase 4/VST3:

http://www.cubase.de/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=55441

yup - it confirms sidechaining capability in VST3, but states functionality will not be available in the first release: though they do promise it will be issued as an update to Cubase within the 'Cubase 4 generation cycle' by which I assume they mean 4.1 etc. It is possible to do sidechaining already, its just a bit fiddly...

[SoundEng1]

I read earlier that the Cubase/Nuendo audio engine was going to be re-written, from what im reading now it hasnt. Im wondering if their waiting on Leopard and Vista. does any one know?

[Faderjockey]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

While SX 3 /Nuendo sounds good, Pro Tools 7 has that "radio" ready sound without adding fx. No my friend, it's been noted to death that after 50 tracks with plugins, the mix buss collapes.. As well as, you have to really watch your master fader level.. Best to keep at around -6db or you start getting nasty distortion and other wierd artifacts..

Well I'm not hitting a master buss..I'm summing out to a Folcrom..

[dirtboy]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

While SX 3 /Nuendo sounds good, Pro Tools 7 has that "radio" ready sound without adding fx. No my friend, it's been noted to death that after 50 tracks with plugins, the mix buss collapes.. As well as, you have to really watch your master fader level.. Best to keep at around -6db or you start getting nasty distortion and other wierd artifacts..

Wow! You mean PT has that elusive "Radio Ready" sound?
You really have no clue my friend.....................tutt
-RS

[jjdpro]

Yeah.. And ??? What about those who mix ITB??

Originally Posted by Faderjockey

Well I'm not hitting a master buss..I'm summing out to a Folcrom..

[jjdpro]

I have a clue, but more importantly, I have a pair very good ears. Pr Tools 6 & 7 with their 48 bit fix summing, sounds wonderful witha top end sheen to it.

I hope you hear this?? This is the sound of 90 percent of todays radio..
Nuendo can get this sound, however, when mixing R &B/ Hip Hop and sessions over 50 tracks with loads of plugins, the mix buss starts to colapes.

With apps like PT & Paris, you can slam the busses really hard, and thus mix liek you mix on a analog console. Not, mix like a wimp like you have to do in Nuendo/SX..

This problem has been recognized by Steinberg, and they have promised a re-write of the audio engine and mix summing bus..

Now, back thoseears of yours filled with cotton..

Originally Posted by dirtboy

Wow! You mean PT has that elusive "Radio Ready" sound?
You really have no clue my friend.....................tutt
-RS

[strauss]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

With apps like PT & Paris, you can slam the busses really hard, and thus mix liek you mix on a analog console. Not, mix like a wimp like you have to do in Nuendo/SX..

Use the search engine and type 'Paul Frindle'!