I guess why I'm so disappointed is because all of UA's plugins over the last two years (MP, ATR 102, 224, 1176 etc...) have been amazing. I guess my expectations where that the SH would be right up there with these, but sadly it feels like a step backwards in plugin technology. I know, it's only $300, but I'm of the attitude that you do something right and to the best of your abilities, or you don't do it at all.
And for all those who are happy about the high instance counts... How many freaking SH comps do you need on a mix?? Haha....I would way rather it take up 20% or 30% of my Quad card but be indisgushable from the hardware. For the price of one hardware SH unit you could buy like what, 4 octo cards??
This one is a done deal for me. I very rarely make impulse buys but I'm damn near positive about this. I remember really liking the Vertigo at first but eventually deciding against it after living with it for a while sooo, I'm going to use the full demo before pulling the trigger. I'm probably the only person on the planet that wasn't blown away by the Slate's VTM even though I'm a huge fan of his other plugs ( to be fair it was not a proper demo on my part just me messing around with a buddy and replacing the UADs, this plug probably need's to be mixed into to get the correct result so I'll try it at length in the near future. I don't mind being wrong if it turns out that it kicks my ass at a later date) I am however, extremely curious about the Slate comp bundle. Plugs are, I guess, like any other tool, sooner or later u find something that flows the way your style has evolved. Can't wait to check them out
Got ya ....especially in this area (buss comp/mastering ) we don't want a sound but tools and controls !! all this in a musical way .....this reminds me when i tried the SSL bus comp (DUENDE) while people were crazy about the glue i felt in love with the " don't touch my mix , just kiss it and make it smile" type of sound ....if i don't hear compression , i'm happy !!! maybe brainworx will make it native one day .....who knows ...
i was speaking about Sahdow hills with a friend and i told him to have a look at it , not the plugin , few weeks ago and as he was on the website he gave up !!lol "i ain"t got ime to play before being able to see gears and all ....lol" and for real he passed on it ....
the big issue is that i'm in France now and i just struglle to get stuff like BAE preamp and all , i just can't imagine trying to get a demo unit here ...
Ah, understood Going to demo the UAD version Saturday when I have some time.
Got ya ....especially in this area (buss comp/mastering ) we don't want a sound but tools and controls !! all this in a musical way .....this reminds me when i tried the SSL bus comp (DUENDE) while people were crazy about the glue i felt in love with the " don't touch my mix , just kiss it and make it smile" type of sound ....if i don't hear compression , i'm happy !!! maybe brainworx will make it native one day .....who knows ...
Ah, understood Going to demo the UAD version Saturday when I have some time.
luky one ....no need to tell you that we want/need a complete review from you my friend !!
try it on single sounds also just to see how versatyle it is ...or not ....(not only bass gtr or drums acoustics ...but heavy synths , electro drums (808*909ect ...) ....that would be cool ......tired of hearing only plugins demo with acoustic drums and all as for me it's super easy to sound good on those , not so on heavy electro drum ...
But is logical that may be a best seller ..a esoteric, expensive great sounding compressor with an amazing look that is reflected in a beautiful GUI, that is Business!
So many fools would buy it just to brag and just because the GUI is gorgeous.
I like brainwork because the create unique designs and great tools, but their compressors emulations I never liked them.
I am also concern that now Universa Audio will lower their standard in Plug ins, why their team could not model this compressor????
But is logical that may be a best seller ..a esoteric, expensive great sounding compressor with an amazing look that is reflected in a beautiful GUI, that is Business!
So many fools would buy it just to brag and just because the GUI is gorgeous.
I like brainwork because the create unique designs and great tools, but their compressors emulations I never liked them.
I am also concern that now Universa Audio will lower their standard in Plug ins, why their team could not model this compressor????
What about functionality?it has different flavors.may take more time to find the sweet spots.
Wow, I'm usually a huge UAD fan, but I have to say this one kinda disappoints...I'm a huge compressor junkie and have tons of hi end hardware compressors but have always wanted the SH...but...
The hardware in the video sounds NOTHING like the plugin. It reminds me of how my Hardware La2a sounds compared to the 10 year old UA La2a plug in..crunchy, flat and lifeless whereas the hardware sounds big, 3D and exciting. I guess what can you expect for $300 though compared to $6k+?
The funny thing is, when they ask Peter Reardon how he thinks it sounds, he doesn't give a straight answer and leaves it up to the listener lol. Well he does say he is "very pleased", but me thinks he's "very pleased" with the royalty checks he'll be getting on this thing once they start selling downloads...
I'm listening on Barefoot MM27's through Lavry converters, and maybe the difference is a lot less noticeable on cheaper monitors, but they ain't foolin me.
Oh well, I shouldn't be complaining as you get what you pay for, but UA had my hopes up with this one. Darn...
-Spencer
Agree. I could tell the difference over my MacBook Pro speakers. I had high hopes as well, esp. after the 1176 update.
Too harsh sounding. Not analog enough. I think they blew it.
is the plugin sounding bad or do they modeled the wrong hardware comp to model ?
Brainworx absolutly master they're subject ....if you don't like the elysia this mean you don't like the elysia comp , that's all ...not tha brainworx don't know how to modelise comps....
I guess why I'm so disappointed is because all of UA's plugins over the last two years (MP, ATR 102, 224, 1176 etc...) have been amazing. I guess my expectations where that the SH would be right up there with these, but sadly it feels like a step backwards in plugin technology. I know, it's only $300, but I'm of the attitude that you do something right and to the best of your abilities, or you don't do it at all.
And for all those who are happy about the high instance counts... How many freaking SH comps do you need on a mix?? Haha....I would way rather it take up 20% or 30% of my Quad card but be indisgushable from the hardware. For the price of one hardware SH unit you could buy like what, 4 octo cards??
Anyway I'll quit complaining now .
I fully expected it to be much more of a processor drain. And to be clear - the hardware demo sounds great. I want the plug to sound like THAT.
There's also quite a bit of marketing "sizzle" in the way the SH manual is written; very clever, but sizzle nonetheless. I'd rather have steak. If the thing sounded great I'd have no complaints. As it is, it's something I am already tired of. Now I will quit complaining.
I am also concern that now Universa Audio will lower their standard in Plug ins, why their team could not model this compressor????
Universal Audio has developed an SDK (Software Development Kit) to open the UAD platform to 3rd party companies (like SPL, Brainworx, Sonnox...) so we will be seeing more and more companies releasing old plugins and/or offering new ones for the UAD2 Platform. I am positive that some will be better than, some equal to and some worse than what the UA team can do.
No idea why the SHMC was done by Brainworx, maybe they signed a deal with Shadow Hills or they were given it as a feather in their cap for helping with the SDK or perhaps the UA guys are too busy updating the LA3A, LA2A, etc. (please?)
I haven't had a chance to demo this yet - but will - I do really like the VSC-2 though so I'm keeping an open mind.
__________________ - "You only have a certain amount of headroom with Pro Tools... if you start pushing it a little bit too hard it's starts squawking like a chicken, if you go too low, it starts squawkin', you have to work within a certain realm otherwise you get zapped either way!" - Tad Donley (2006) -
brainworx have a pedigree when it comes to mastering so i found t natural in person that they asked Dirk as mastering processing L/L-M/S processing have no secret for him ...and they also did a great job already with the vertigo
I demoed it some this evening. I actually like what it does, regardless if it sounds like the hardware. It's very smooth and meaty.
agreed, this thing can "effortlessly tame" with the best of one. does it mock the hardware 100%? most likely not -- but I don't care, I can always throw it through some other plugs in a chain to get what I need :D
go-to compressor for green day, muse, coldplay? oh the endorsements!
plugin: wow i was like who took away all the transients to the mix?
Yeah, that wasn't exactly a typical mastering example. Or maybe they were just trying to show you hardware can be used poorly just like software. But at least with such extreme settings you can more easily judge the similarity (or difference) between the two.
I was too distracted by the chairman's dapper suit to worry about that anyway.
Very nice.UA should pay you for the demo.I could hear it all.Great plugin,now to decide whether to pony up for another quad or bump up to an octo custom?
You should tell UA!
I like to be paid in OCTOs though...
Two QUADs should handle complete mixes depending on your workflow, but an additional OCTO provides headroom for upcoming UAD plugs...
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to tell you the truth i just listen to your music reading the thead as i don't own uad and don't plan to
nice tune for real ....any infos on it ?
EDIT ok just saw the infos at the end .....cool ..
By the way what was the metering suite i saw at the end ....looks like Pinguin or some like that ...
The hardware/software comparison is SHOCKING... just watched the video.
To me it seems like the plugin is adding a lot of high-end to the signal (which the hardware doesn't). Just take a precise listen to how the snare-tonality changes. With the plugin enabled, the low-mid punch of the snare fades away while a lot of high end is being added.
Nevertheless: the plugin may be very helpful in many situations and I'm sure I'll check the demo some time. I just think the video is a very big marketing fail...
Mainly, I´m hearing more distortion of the plugin version - and that causes the grittier impression.
The tonal change could well be just a result of that.
I belive that the transformers kick in earlier on the plugin than on the hardware.
Brainworks may have intentionally changed that because of the fixed digital headroom, to be able to also get drastic sounds of it.
Otherwise you´d end up clipping if you want to drive the transformers hard.
That may also be the reason why I´ve preferred the other two transformer settings on this type of music.
When setting up the 4 SHMC instances, I never had the feeling of them being gritty or too distorted - but I was aiming at unity gain to be able to compare.
Just finished producing a remix. I swapped over the bus comp on the stereo bus with the SHMC! Checked out the presets, found one I liked at the time and tweaked to suit. Sounded great at the time !!
Listening with fresh ears today now prefer the orig bus comp plugin !!
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) I am however, extremely curious about the Slate comp bundle. Plugs are, I guess, like any other tool, sooner or later u find something that flows the way your style has evolved. Can't wait to check them out 
Going to demo the UAD version Saturday when I have some time.
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