but the airusersblog demo is better...looks like it could be a nice bus processor...would be interesting to for example compare to OldTimer ME followed by The Glue or Alpha...
If MP and the new 1176's were modeled down to the component level, then it makes sense they would have heavy instance count. That would be a good thing... i.e.; means quality.
I love other stuff from Brainworx and think the world of UAD... but they missed it here (IMO).
Also I still maintain the ballistic's look weird on my screen, even after a reboot.
Well to be fair, the Barefoots and Lavry are a massive step up from focal/Rosetta (but also a lot more money).
I used to own focal twins and still own Ad/DA16x's...there's no contest between them and my setup now.
Well that begs to question if you have to have that upscale gear to discern differences what does it say about the difference when the fans listen to the music on earbuds/laptop speakers.
Totally agree with spencerc! And its not your awesome speakers/ convertors either! I'm on a macbook with SonyMDR-v900 headphones and the hardware is killin the software. I think it was actually a bad idea of UA to put that hardware version along with the plugin back to back like that! Seems to have the compression vibe, but was really hoping for more from this plugin!
Totally agree with spencerc! And its not your awesome speakers/ convertors either! I'm on a macbook with SonyMDR-v900 headphones and the hardware is killin the software. I think it was actually a bad idea of UA to put that hardware version along with the plugin back to back like that! Seems to have the compression vibe, but was really hoping for more from this plugin!
After the horse, uh... crap comment, I read the previous poster's remark as though they had "pooped by the booth" and were impressed. "Same tone poster" indeed pooped by the virtual booth. Just another side of democratization in action: you takes the bad with the good. I find it ironic that "horse crap poster" was also asking about civility here recently.
for those dat don't like it or are not impressed : maybe because the shadow hills doesn't sound crazy even in hardware ? it might sound good but i was surprised to see this coded as this is not what we can call a classic !! i see more TLA 100 in studios than this bad boy ...anyway any feedback from guyz that have used heard the real one ?
Well that begs to question if you have to have that upscale gear to discern differences what does it say about the difference when the fans listen to the music on earbuds/laptop speakers.
I know people throw this comment around a lot, and I can see why, but I totally disagree and here's why:
When you're mixing (or mastering), your decisions can only be as good as what your monitors/DA are telling you. You're constantly making decisions as your mixing, and even being able to make wiser decisions 10-15% of the time will result in a mix that's far greater than if you're flying blind.
If you've never mixed with great speakers/DA it's impossible to know what I'm talking about (plus a great sounding room plays a huge part in this). Getting my current mixing setup was the best studio improvement I could have ever made x1000 and I was coming from already what is considered high end gear.
A great DA/monitor controller floored me at the difference between it and something that's only "good". The Lavry SMOKES the Benchmark/lynx Hilo/apogee new symphony/16x. I did a shootout a while back and it was eye opening. Btw I use the burl for AD which also destroys any other converter..and don't believe the rumors how it's super coloured. It's more open/deep/wide than the lynx or apogee.
Maybe you might not hear a huge difference between DA's with lesser speakers than the Barefoots, but the difference is massive...
Anyway I digress, but trust me...this new plug sounds no where near their hardware example, and that's the best possible scenario because that's what UA put in their own video!! I can only imagine hardware users will start testifing how different they really are in real world use.
Again I don't mean to hate on UA, cause I have a quad card and own most their plugs and love them to death. They just missed it on this one, and unfortunately that sucks cause the SH comp is lengedary. Maybe it's not their fault though...didn't brainworx do this one?
There is a TLA 100 in my studio but not a SHMC But I think that also has to do with the price of the SH and not so much the sound quality that you are not seeing them in studios.
for those dat don't like it or are not impressed : maybe because the shadow hills doesn't sound crazy even in hardware ? it might sound good but i was surprised to see this coded as this is not what we can call a classic !! i see more TLA 100 in studios than this bad boy ...anyway any feedback from guyz that have used heard the real one ?
That's cause the SH is over $6k for a stereo comp...not a lot of people can justify that
Wow, I'm usually a huge UAD fan, but I have to say this one kinda disappoints...I'm a huge compressor junkie and have tons of hi end hardware compressors but have always wanted the SH...but...
The hardware in the video sounds NOTHING like the plugin. It reminds me of how my Hardware La2a sounds compared to the 10 year old UA La2a plug in..crunchy, flat and lifeless whereas the hardware sounds big, 3D and exciting. I guess what can you expect for $300 though compared to $6k+?
The funny thing is, when they ask Peter Reardon how he thinks it sounds, he doesn't give a straight answer and leaves it up to the listener lol. Well he does say he is "very pleased", but me thinks he's "very pleased" with the royalty checks he'll be getting on this thing once they start selling downloads...
I'm listening on Barefoot MM27's through Lavry converters, and maybe the difference is a lot less noticeable on cheaper monitors, but they ain't foolin me.
Oh well, I shouldn't be complaining as you get what you pay for, but UA had my hopes up with this one. Darn...
If you're demoing this, be warned - it almost every preset on the SHMC it makes it sound "better" right away, but check out the huge volume boost on each one of them...usually by more than a dB. Ah the good old 'louder is better trick'. Every time I volume matched it with the original unprocessed track, the 'NO plugin' mix won every time.
I'm gonna mess around with this some more, but I have to say I'm pretty bummed out and I was planning on buying this right away, but it's looking like I may not even bother for $300.
I guess digital still can't nail compression like analogue can...at least this makes me feel really good about all my hardware toys! ...the only downside is now I'm going to have to spend over $6k to get the hardware edition of the SH haha
-Spencer
On my Lavry w/Klein and Hummel O300d's I could here the transformer differences clearly as well as the compression effects.To get the tube emulation right,the footprint would have been bigger,but should have been done.That is where you would get the difference the hardware gives you.
I like what it does for $300 though and can get the big,3D and exciting from other things,like the MP along with it,or my analog 2 buss.
But I wish they would have gotten more of the tube emulation even at the expense of less instances.But how close would they have gotten?What is the best tube emulation plugin out there?
Not just 3D for me. Listen to how each hit on the plugin starts to sound the same. Plugin sounds crimped I guess is a good word, where as the hardware seems like it breaths better, almost like it has more dry signal in it.
yep i know for the price ...the CL 2B is not that sheep also but seen way more (like the cl1B )
i just have the feeling that they emulated a not yet "fully" reconized hardware ...even the Vertigo witch is not that sheep is more seen and have a better reputation around ....
just saying but i have zero experience with this , so i might certainly be wrong .....or not ....
On my Lavry w/Klein and Hummel O300d's I could here the transformer differences clearly as well as the compression effects.To get the tube emulation right,the footprint would have been bigger,but should have been done.That is where you would get the difference the hardware gives you.
I like what it does for $300 though and can get the big,3D and exciting from other things,like the MP along with it,or my analog 2 buss.
But I wish they would have gotten more of the tube emulation even at the expense of less instances.But how close would they have gotten?What is the best tube emulation plugin out there?
Check out the summit (softube) grand channel. It sounds incredible as a tube emulation. I've never compared it to the hardware, but it sounds good so who cares
But I wish they would have gotten more of the tube emulation even at the expense of less instances.But how close would they have gotten?What is the best tube emulation plugin out there?
I had zero expectations - as I've never used the real thing - so it was much better than I was expecting. I thought it was very capable on a drum bus. You can really milk a lot of sounds from it. Don't know what everybody's complaining about - its $350.
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as i'm reading the thread i'm thinking more and more just buying a good channels trip (Everest or some) and run piece in or even a LA610Mkii and run track in then bounce them just to get that sound ...but only do-able on the studio not on the go ....went all ITB ...might get back to hybrid ...
By the way back to SH comp ..what i appreciate (a print of modern comp are and must be) is the controls that make it a work horse not even only in mastering stage or on the buses ...
UAD DSP hit ?
I had zero expectations - as I've never used the real thing - so it was much better than I was expecting. I thought it was very capable on a drum bus. You can really milk a lot of sounds from it. Don't know what everybody's complaining about - its $350.
No, it's 300$.
I think that in the trailer video, the hardware sounds better on the drums, especially on the low-end.
But anyway, the plugin sounds great as it is, so no big deal.
I hadn't heard the comparison until this very moment and yes, there is a difference (a little more low end/depth on the analog) however it does what I need in a way that is very satisfying and musical to me. I'm actually very glad that I didn't see this before because it didn't prejudice me against it before I tried it. I put this up on a particularly troublesome drumbuss that I had tried a lot of different compressors on including the NI Varicomp, Portico, 33609, UBK-1 and and a bunch of other stuff. I ended up leaving it without compression (and feeling a little loose) because it just didn't sit right in the mix. Just as an experiment I tried it there (after really liking it on the master and reading that someone else really liked it on drums) and the drums sat perfectly without a lot of fuss, sounding big and punchy. In this particular mix it ended up on bass as well with excellent control of this very uneven bass line's dynamics without in any way obstructing creativity or workflow. Does it sound exactly the same as the hardware? Based on the video I would have to say no. It also doesn't cost $6,000 and I can use a bunch of them without killing my Quad. I should mention that I never even tried the presets as I always use stuff cold to get a feel for how easy/hard it is to use. I also (playing Devil's advocate for a moment) feel that UA should have done this themselves. They did such a spectacular job on the latest offerings that I'm a little surprised that it wasn't as spot on as the MP, Studer/Ampex, 1176, Lex 224 ect. I guess that the fact that it's so resource light would account for this but even so, I absolutely love what it brings to the table. IMO, For $300 it's a fantastic tool that I will be very happy t add to my kit. Big ass from me!
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I hadn't heard the comparison until this very moment and yes, there is a difference (a little more low end/depth on the analog) however it does what I need in a way that is very satisfying and musical to me. I'm actually very glad that I didn't see this before because it didn't prejudice me against it before I tried it. I put this up on a particularly troublesome drumbuss that I had tried a lot of different compressors on including the NI Varicomp, Portico, 33609, UBK-1 and and a bunch of other stuff. I ended up leaving it without compression (and feeling a little loose) because it just didn't sit right in the mix. Just as an experiment I tried it there (after really liking it on the master and reading that someone else really liked it on drums) and the drums sat perfectly without a lot of fuss, sounding big and punchy. In this particular mix it ended up on bass as well with excellent control of this very uneven bass line's dynamics without in any way obstructing creativity or workflow. Does it sound exactly the same as the hardware? Based on the video I would have to say no. It also doesn't cost $6,000 and I can use a bunch of them without killing my Quad. I should mention that I never even tried the presets as I always use stuff cold to get a feel for how easy/hard it is to use. I also (playing Devil's advocate for a moment) feel that UA should have done this themselves. They did such a spectacular job on the latest offerings that I'm a little surprised that it wasn't as spot on as the MP, Studer/Ampex, 1176, Lex 224 ect. I guess that the fact that it's so resource light would account for this but even so, I absolutely love what it brings to the table. IMO, For $300 it's a fantastic tool that I will be very happy t add to my kit. Big ass from me!
Exactly !
Of course, I also wished that UA should have done it themselves (bad mouthing here ).
And the fact that it's so easy on CPU, for a complex beast like that, leave me with the impression that if they could have pushed the modeling even deeper.
Anyway, I say it again, it sounds great as it is compared to the competition, as a mastering compressor, and could easily become the 1st choice for UAD users when it comes to compression of the mix buss.
Wow, I'm usually a huge UAD fan, but I have to say this one kinda disappoints...I'm a huge compressor junkie and have tons of hi end hardware compressors but have always wanted the SH...but...
The hardware in the video sounds NOTHING like the plugin. It reminds me of how my Hardware La2a sounds compared to the 10 year old UA La2a plug in..crunchy, flat and lifeless whereas the hardware sounds big, 3D and exciting. I guess what can you expect for $300 though compared to $6k+?[...]
as i'm reading the thread i'm thinking more and more just buying a good channels trip (Everest or some) and run piece in or even a LA610Mkii and run track in then bounce them just to get that sound ...but only do-able on the studio not on the go ....went all ITB ...might get back to hybrid ...
And also add a SHMC while you're at it. At least demo one Brings things more into perspective when you get to play with the real thing
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Leo , so are you getting it or do you wait for the Slate didgital ? (or get both )?
This one is a done deal for me. I very rarely make impulse buys but I'm damn near positive about this. I remember really liking the Vertigo at first but eventually deciding against it after living with it for a while sooo, I'm going to use the full demo before pulling the trigger. I'm probably the only person on the planet that wasn't blown away by the Slate's VTM even though I'm a huge fan of his other plugs ( to be fair it was not a proper demo on my part just me messing around with a buddy and replacing the UADs, this plug probably need's to be mixed into to get the correct result so I'll try it at length in the near future. I don't mind being wrong if it turns out that it kicks my ass at a later date) I am however, extremely curious about the Slate comp bundle. Plugs are, I guess, like any other tool, sooner or later u find something that flows the way your style has evolved. Can't wait to check them out
i was speaking about Sahdow hills with a friend and i told him to have a look at it , not the plugin , few weeks ago and as he was on the website he gave up !!lol "i ain"t got ime to play before being able to see gears and all ....lol" and for real he passed on it ....
the big issue is that i'm in France now and i just struglle to get stuff like BAE preamp and all , i just can't imagine trying to get a demo unit here ...
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But I think that also has to do with the price of the SH and not so much the sound quality that you are not seeing them in studios.
...the only downside is now I'm going to have to spend over $6k to get the hardware edition of the SH haha
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from me!
