Universal audio uad-2 octo

[dxavier]

Originally Posted by superwack

At the risk of fanning rampant speculation... In addition to the 610 package above, did you notice the rack of hardware at 1:42 ish? Suspicious/Delicious?

• ROLAND RE201 - current plugin
• 1176 BLUE STRIPE - current plugin
• MANLEY LABS VARI MU - rumored
• EMPIRICAL LABS EL7 FATSO - current plugin
• API 2500 - rumored
• DOLBY TYPE-A NOISE REDUCTION - !!!
• SPL TRANSIENT DESIGNER 4 - current plugin
• MXR FLANGER/DOUBLER - current plugin
• LEXICON PRIME TIME - !!!
• LEXICON PCM60 - !!!
• ROLAND R 880 REVERB - !!!
• AMS RMX 16 - !!!
• AMS DMX 15 - !!!

note the AMS and ROLAND are clear in the frame previous to the one i posted!

UAD Love doing spoilers, so I thought too, that the advert camera scroll of the hardware rack, which included many units they have emulated already, but a few they have not, wasn't a coincidence. I am kind of hardwared and softwared out, BUT, wouldn't say no to the AMS RMX 16.

[dxavier]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

I feel sorry for those that bought the appollo quad ....i bet the appollo octo is comin soon ...

Yep. It is funny when you buy UAD hardware. The next thing that comes out makes you think, I wish I had of known about that first!!!

[contramark]

I just bought an Apollo Quad and for me not such a big deal. I rarely have the facilities/microphones/talent to track full bands playing live together. I usually track one part at a time so a Quad is more than enough processing power to make that happen. As far as mixing however, I will look forward to trading in my Satellite Duo (which I traded for UAD-1s) for an Octo Satellite Thunderbolt box.

[work2do]

Originally Posted by dxavier

UAD Love doing spoilers, so I thought too, that the advert camera scroll of the hardware rack, which included many units they have emulated already, but a few they have not, wasn't a coincidence. I am kind of hardwared and softwared out, BUT, wouldn't say no to the AMS RMX 16.

UA is very good at marketing.

[depulse]

Originally Posted by artech909

New DSP surprise!
UAD-2 DSP Accelerator Package | Universal Audio
If you zoom in and look closely you will see DSP model is not the same!
UAD Quad card have ADSP-21369 400MHz and i like to see new Octo have 8x ADSP-21469 450MHz and standart DDR memory support too! AMAZING!

In theory then an Octo would be providing more than double the instance count compared to a Quad. Looking at the Instance chart this does not seem to be the case:

UAD-2 Instance Chart

[mpod]

Originally Posted by grooveminister

So you have never ever bought a graphics card?
They don´t loose a third of their value after five years - they loose it after 5 months.

I ordered one and have it all the time. It was ati radeon with passive fan so no noise out of that card. It was about 80$. Working for three years now with zero issues. Sorry but i have 0 emotions for graphic cards and i don't do gaming stuff so this is completely unrelated to me. I do music and i am interested in music gear investment.

edit: wait...is uad quad out for five years already?? Shit i am getting old...no really was it that long ago?? It seems to me like two years or so...man..

[work2do]

Originally Posted by depulse

In theory then an Octo would be providing more than double the instance count compared to a Quad. Looking at the Instance chart this does not seem to be the case:

UAD-2 Instance Chart

I see double the instances from quad to octo on every plugin on the chart. 4 chips x 2 = 8 chips
Not sure how going from 4 to 8 can be more than double.

Ampex stereo Quad: 12 Octo: 24
Manley stereo Quad: 4 Octo: 8
Studer stereo Quad: 44 Octo 88
Fatso stereo Quad: 12 Octo 24
Harrison stereo Quad: 40 Octo: 80

All the way down the line

[CeretoneAudio]

Originally Posted by depulse

In theory then an Octo would be providing more than double the instance count compared to a Quad. Looking at the Instance chart this does not seem to be the case:

UAD-2 Instance Chart

The main difference with the new chips seems to be the memory (5mbits per chip + external DDR memory interface vs 2 mbits perchip total for the old chips)

So they should do much better with running time based effects eg reverb delays etc

The actual gflops is not much higher 2,7 vs 2,4

[CeretoneAudio]

Originally Posted by work2do

I see double the instances from quad to octo on every plugin on the chart. 4 chips x 2 = 8 chips
Not sure how going from 4 to 8 can be more than double.

Ampex stereo Quad: 12 Octo: 24
Manley stereo Quad: 4 Octo: 8
Studer stereo Quad: 44 Octo 88
Fatso stereo Quad: 12 Octo 24
Harrison stereo Quad: 40 Octo: 80

All the way down the line

The octo card uses faster chips

[ionian]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

Yea, you are real funny, and "well, I shouldn't say". However, you obviously have no idea how it works in the business world.

Someone else said it in another thread - if you can't charge 5x what it cost you, then it's bad business.

Regards,
Frank

[FoxMulderFBI]

So, those 55 plug-in's in ultimate bundle, where can I find list of them? Or those are the all plug-in's UAD released so far?

[superwack]

Originally Posted by bishop666

ADSP-21469 450MHz = $31.50

8 * ADSP-21469 450MHz = $1500

Where can you get them for $31.50? Even with the max bundle discount Digi-Key has them for $46.80/each... I couldn't afford the $23,400 for 500 so I bought 10 for $561.60 but when I poured them in to the back of my mac hole they were not recognized by my system!!!

Does anyone have any ideas? Could it be that I don't have the PCIe PCB "dongle" haven't done the R&D or programming, don't have the other components, nothing is soldered, should I maybe try NOS tubes... I'm really at a loss here.

[Jeezo]

Ultimate = new omni ?

[dasoundjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

Ultimate = new omni ?

Yes

[Jeezo]

lol ...so marketing .....that's sound cooler ...yep ...

After Ultimate , could be said ? infinite ?

[bishop666]

Aleph one.

[Jeezo]

If they make an octo appollo half rack unit( like the fireface) with rock solid driver ...i jump !!

(alot of varaiable in the equation ...lol) ...

[dasoundjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

lol ...so marketing .....that's sound cooler ...yep ...

After Ultimate , could be said ? infinite ?

Probably

[Animus]

Originally Posted by superwack

Where can you get them for $31.50? Even with the max bundle discount Digi-Key has them for $46.80/each... I couldn't afford the $23,400 for 500 so I bought 10 for $561.60 but when I poured them in to the back of my mac hole they were not recognized by my system!!!

Does anyone have any ideas? Could it be that I don't have the PCIe PCB "dongle" haven't done the R&D or programming, don't have the other components, nothing is soldered, should I maybe try NOS tubes... I'm really at a loss here.

nice one.

I can see where the detractors are coming from. I've been with UA since they released the UAD. At first you bought the expensive card and the plugins were basically free as they were released over the next few years. They gradually started charging more for them. Then of course over the last few years they started getting those endorsements which really jacked up the plugin prices. So the UAD plugins are expensive and then you got to buy expensive hardware to run limited instances of them; they get you on both sides rather the one being a loss leader (cheaper dsp card/more expensive plugins or vice versa). That's becoming a increasingly harder sale for UA as quality native plugins and extremely powerful native cpus have come about. UA reacted by releasing the OCTO and adjusting prices way down. It was a logical move for them and their customers.

[choukette]

"I can see where the detractors are coming from. I've been with UA since they released the UAD. At first you bought the expensive card and the plugins were basically free as they were released over the next few years. They gradually started charging more for them. Then of course over the last few years they started getting those endorsements which really jacked up the plugin prices. So the UAD plugins are expensive and then you got to buy expensive hardware to run limited instances of them; they get you on both sides rather the one being a loss leader (cheaper dsp card/more expensive plugins or vice versa). That's becoming a increasingly harder sale for UA as quality native plugins and extremely powerful native cpus have come about. UA reacted by releasing the OCTO and adjusting prices way down. It was a logical move for them and their customers."

this is exactly the situation, and also why it's a dead end, and why I'm please to stop all the massive investment I made on a solution I can't even use on my new laptop.

native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp (yes they are even if you find those white PCie cards beautifull),

adding shark dsp on a PCie card will also have a power consumption limit since
the goal of the whole digital industry is to limit the TDP of processors,

shark are just low cost dsp but they are not very powerfull and the electric consumption of those chips is very high for the power they deliver,

IMHO octo is the beginning of the end of dsp dongle era (like TC poco x8 was)

now I'm prepared for the huge bashing festival from fanboys, com'on

[Sensorychaos]

Originally Posted by choukette

"I can see where the detractors are coming from. I've been with UA since they released the UAD. At first you bought the expensive card and the plugins were basically free as they were released over the next few years. They gradually started charging more for them. Then of course over the last few years they started getting those endorsements which really jacked up the plugin prices. So the UAD plugins are expensive and then you got to buy expensive hardware to run limited instances of them; they get you on both sides rather the one being a loss leader (cheaper dsp card/more expensive plugins or vice versa). That's becoming a increasingly harder sale for UA as quality native plugins and extremely powerful native cpus have come about. UA reacted by releasing the OCTO and adjusting prices way down. It was a logical move for them and their customers."

this is exactly the situation, and also why it's a dead end, and why I'm please to stop all the massive investment I made on a solution I can't even use on my new laptop.

native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp (yes they are even if you find those white PCie cards beautifull),

adding shark dsp on a PCie card will also have a power consumption limit since
the goal of the whole digital industry is to limit the TDP of processors,

shark are just low cost dsp but they are not very powerfull and the electric consumption of those chips is very high for the power they deliver,

IMHO octo is the beginning of the end of dsp dongle era (like TC poco x8 was)

now I'm prepared for the huge bashing festival from fanboys, com'on

Same feeling here.

[artech909]

Originally Posted by choukette

"I can see where the detractors are coming from. I've been with UA since they released the UAD. At first you bought the expensive card and the plugins were basically free as they were released over the next few years. They gradually started charging more for them. Then of course over the last few years they started getting those endorsements which really jacked up the plugin prices. So the UAD plugins are expensive and then you got to buy expensive hardware to run limited instances of them; they get you on both sides rather the one being a loss leader (cheaper dsp card/more expensive plugins or vice versa). That's becoming a increasingly harder sale for UA as quality native plugins and extremely powerful native cpus have come about. UA reacted by releasing the OCTO and adjusting prices way down. It was a logical move for them and their customers."

this is exactly the situation, and also why it's a dead end, and why I'm please to stop all the massive investment I made on a solution I can't even use on my new laptop.

native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp (yes they are even if you find those white PCie cards beautifull),

adding shark dsp on a PCie card will also have a power consumption limit since
the goal of the whole digital industry is to limit the TDP of processors,

shark are just low cost dsp but they are not very powerfull and the electric consumption of those chips is very high for the power they deliver,

IMHO octo is the beginning of the end of dsp dongle era (like TC poco x8 was)

now I'm prepared for the huge bashing festival from fanboys, com'on

Here we go one more moan zone post.
This is really simple DON'T BUY it if you don't like this business strategy and if Universal Audio will going down they will react like waves few years ago.

[Macaroni]

I originally bought 3 new UAD-1 cards at decent street prices. Then I bumped them up to UAD-1e cards by selling the UAD-1 cards for 2/3 of my cost. I got lots of voucher $ for plugins to help more than offset the extra cost. It was an easy win/win.

When the UAD-2 came out, I sold the UAD-1e cards for 2/3 of what I paid, and got lots of voucher $ to offset the extra cost. Another win/win.

Over the course of 3 iterations of UAD cards, I was able to recoup 2/3 of my original cost, AFTER using them and making $ and music, so I got my money's worth from each upgrade for sure.

Each upgrade was offset by plugin $, so it was a no brainer. I would have had to pay for the plugins anyway, but this way I kept upgrading to the next hardware versions.

I now have a UAD-2 Quad, an Apollo and probably 80% of the best UAD plugins, most of which I got with vouchers. The last time I checked it was around $3K in plugins at a cost of around $1k.

Maybe you complainers didn't manage your assets properly to your own benefit.

[Sensorychaos]

Originally Posted by artech909

Here we go one more moan zone post.
This is really simple DON'T BUY it if you don't like this business strategy and if Universal Audio will going down they will react like waves few years ago.

as you say...really simple.
And talking about marketing is the only usefull thing I see with such a release. As there is really not anything new excpet horsepower and sells strategies. Don't be afraid I leave this thread.

[lordward]

Originally Posted by choukette

"I can see where the detractors are coming from. I've been with UA since they released the UAD. At first you bought the expensive card and the plugins were basically free as they were released over the next few years. They gradually started charging more for them. Then of course over the last few years they started getting those endorsements which really jacked up the plugin prices. So the UAD plugins are expensive and then you got to buy expensive hardware to run limited instances of them; they get you on both sides rather the one being a loss leader (cheaper dsp card/more expensive plugins or vice versa). That's becoming a increasingly harder sale for UA as quality native plugins and extremely powerful native cpus have come about. UA reacted by releasing the OCTO and adjusting prices way down. It was a logical move for them and their customers."

this is exactly the situation, and also why it's a dead end, and why I'm please to stop all the massive investment I made on a solution I can't even use on my new laptop.

native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp (yes they are even if you find those white PCie cards beautifull),

adding shark dsp on a PCie card will also have a power consumption limit since
the goal of the whole digital industry is to limit the TDP of processors,

shark are just low cost dsp but they are not very powerfull and the electric consumption of those chips is very high for the power they deliver,

IMHO octo is the beginning of the end of dsp dongle era (like TC poco x8 was)

now I'm prepared for the huge bashing festival from fanboys, com'on

I made lots o' money over the past 12 years with my UADs..... and again I LOVE the fact that I have plugins that my 15yr hip-hop "producer" neighbour does not have.

[mattyc]

Originally Posted by choukette

native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp (yes they are even if you find those white PCie cards beautifull),

UAD plugins get better and better too. e.g. the new 1176s vs the old and the Massive Passive vs old Pultec.

or are only Native plugins allowed to get better

Originally Posted by Sensorychaos

as you say...really simple.
And talking about marketing is the only usefull thing I see with such a release. As there is really not anything new excpet horsepower and sells strategies. Don't be afraid I leave this thread.

I would have thought the doubling of processing power would have been more interesting to the kind of guy who lists his graphics card and motherboard in his signature. Seriously !!

[lllubi]

Originally Posted by lordward

I made lots o' money over the past 12 years with my UADs..... and again I LOVE the fact that I have plugins that my 15yr hip-hop "producer" neighbour does not have.

maybe your 15 years old neighbour is aware that you dont have to own
expensive tools theses days to generate over 100.000.000 clicks on
Youtube....

[choukette]

Originally Posted by mattyc

UAD plugins get better and better too. e.g. the new 1176s vs the old and the Massive Passive vs old Pultec.

or are only Native plugins allowed to get better

you misread my post too,

"native plugins will be better and better and benefit of the quick evolution of native CPU when UA still have to make compromise with their obsolete shark dsp"

unless you are just unable to understand what means "to make compromise with obsolete shark DSP"

[dxavier]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

I originally bought 3 new UAD-1 cards at decent street prices. Then I bumped them up to UAD-1e cards by selling the UAD-1 cards for 2/3 of my cost. I got lots of voucher $ for plugins to help more than offset the extra cost. It was an easy win/win.

When the UAD-2 came out, I sold the UAD-1e cards for 2/3 of what I paid, and got lots of voucher $ to offset the extra cost. Another win/win.

Over the course of 3 iterations of UAD cards, I was able to recoup 2/3 of my original cost, AFTER using them and making $ and music, so I got my money's worth from each upgrade for sure.

Each upgrade was offset by plugin $, so it was a no brainer. I would have had to pay for the plugins anyway, but this way I kept upgrading to the next hardware versions.

I now have a UAD-2 Quad, an Apollo and probably 80% of the best UAD plugins, most of which I got with vouchers. The last time I checked it was around $3K in plugins at a cost of around $1k.

Maybe you complainers didn't manage your assets properly to your own benefit.

Nice for you Ron, but it didn't work out the same way for all of us. I had my UAD-1's right up to their software stopped supporting them and was only able to sell the cards for a tiny bit of what I paid. Maybe we are not all as clever as you I guess.

[grooveminister]

There must be a reason, why I don´t enter threads of equipment that I don´t like or can´t afford to post the same boring whining again and again.