ARC 2 Advanced Room Correction System is now available from IK Multimedia

[hsym]

I installed over it & now have both versions available.
I'll probably uninstall ARC1 at some point.

[soundsfromsound]

You don't have to uninstall Version 1.

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[vmaxvmax]

Hi - I just bought the ARC System 2 upgrade (download) - no user manual in the package. I can't find anywhere on the IK site with a downloadable copy either.

Anyone any ideas?

Thanks.

[Dappolito]

Originally Posted by gsuser

You should definitely remeasure with the new version.

Where from do you have that information ? Is there any source ?

Brian can you back this up?

[vmaxvmax]

Originally Posted by vmaxvmax

Hi - I just bought the ARC System 2 upgrade (download) - no user manual in the package. I can't find anywhere on the IK site with a downloadable copy either.

Anyone any ideas?

Thanks.

Found it via the help button on the plugin console! - Saved it els were now so that I can access it without having my DAW open...

[hsym]

Originally Posted by Dappolito

Where from do you have that information ? Is there any source ?

Brian can you back this up?

When you open the program you'll get a pop-up message.
Plus if you want to use the new functions you have to measure over again using the new software.

[Peter - IK]

Originally Posted by Dappolito

Where from do you have that information ? Is there any source ?

Brian can you back this up?

ARC2 is compatible with ARC legacy measurements, BUT when using ARC1 measurements ARC2 will not enable all of the new features. It would be mandatory to re-measure to hear ARC 2's better correction, and having all the new features that ARC2 comes with. ARC2 running ARC1 measurements sounds EXACTLY like ARC1.

[Dappolito]

Thanks, hsym, for your reply.

What about the latency, and cpu need, is it still like Arc 1 ?

edit: Thanks for your reply Peter. (We basically replied at the same time )

[Peter - IK]

Originally Posted by keithl

So I purchased (got a little discount from jampoints..cool!)
I guess you should NOT uninstall ARC 1 and just install this over it, correct?

This has been answered but I'll give the official answer that you shouldn't uninstall ARC 1 and it doesn't install over an old version. We typically have a full version install alongside a previous version so your projects remain unaffected.

To answer another question, manuals are installed with our products and you don't have to re-save them... Here are the location:

A .pdf manual is installed during installation of the software itself. You will find this manual stored on your hard drive in the below locations..

For Mac:

Mac HD > Library > Documentation > IK Multimedia > (product name) >

For PC:

C: > Program Files > IK Multimedia > (product name) >

From IK Multimedia. Musicians First.

[borg64]

Hi Peter and Brian,

The ARC 2 upgrade wouldn't possibly include a new measurement microphone, would it? The ARC I bought way back included the first mic model, and I take it the updated model - released some time later - is supposedly better/more accurate?

Thanks!

Sven

[TheARIES1]

Originally Posted by Peter - IK

So this is a long time ago and you've had a lot of time to use it? That sounds like you got out of it what you put into it, but I don't have direct insight to your use of ARC so I'm not 100% sure. By the time we discount it (someone elsewhere stated that AmpliTube 3 hit $99 during a sale, but I had to point out that was years after release) people who are early adopters have much more time to make music, or gold records, or whatever they'd like with the tool. I am sorry if you don't feel your investment in ARC justifies what you got out of it.

The new features also include the updated Audyssey algo which also isn't free, but we added more features than just that. I still think I'd feel $99 (or if you have JamPoints it could be around $75...) is a good deal on this if I didn't work for IK. But I've been an IK user long before I worked here so I've been pretty happy with the ROI on IK products for a long time.

Speaking of JamPoints, I should reiterate that we've allowed 25% JamPoints to be used here to bring the upgrade promotional price down even further for those that are ARC 1 registered users with JamPoints. If that doesn't sweeten the deal, I don't know what else we could do.

Maybe I wasn't as clear as I should have been, but overall as one who has purchased quite a bit of IK products (I'm a keyboard player by trade and a producer by night) I have just about everything u guys make except the guitar type stuff, on first glance it didn't seem like much of an improvement to justify yet another 100 bucks. If it is then great when I get the dough I will upgrade but honestly my money comes with my opinion, and $49.99 would have sounded better when whole daws upgrade for $99 IMHO. Overall I like IK but I have felt a bit burned on several occasions when buying something out of the gay then its giving away for even less than half not even 12 months later. Didn't mean any harm or for any fanyboys to get defensive, since most seem to think its worth it and I can use some jampoints I'm in too... thanks ta1

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[PitchSlap]

It looks like a good upgrade, though I'm pretty shocked they didn't implement by far the biggest feature request; to automatically bypass on render. Cytomic, Voxengo, Slate, U-He etc, these companies don't seem to have an issue implementing this, and just because a few DAWs don't support it is no reason to penalize everybody.

Furthermore, I'm sure render/real-time oversampling settings would improve the performance/sound of the T-racks/Amplitube lines as well so the small development cost to code this for ARC2 could benefit all future IK products...

[perform/record]

So what's the bottom line, anybody export a mix yet?
How does it trasnlate outside of your studio?
Is the end result better than arc1?

[nott]

Originally Posted by perform/record

So what's the bottom line, anybody export a mix yet?
How does it trasnlate outside of your studio?
Is the end result better than arc1?

i did last week a measurement with arc1 and yesterday i did again a measurement with arc2 with the same mic positions and speaker levels.
the result is more clear and transparent with a accurate low end.
and it´s nice, that you can switch between arc1 and arc2 measurements.

TO IKM:
please give us a standalone app with soundcard routings - we all waiting since version 1 for that!!!!

[Matti]

Originally Posted by nott

TO IKM:
please give us a standalone app with soundcard routings - we all waiting since version 1 for that!!!!

+

Matti

[soundsfromsound]

Originally Posted by perform/record

So what's the bottom line, anybody export a mix yet?
How does it trasnlate outside of your studio?
Is the end result better than arc1?

It certainly sounds more accurate in the low end here.

Bottom line, again: upgrade if you have ARC1, no brainer.
New to ARC? If you have an untreated room, treat it first. Then buy ARC2.

[keithl]

I thought the concept was "snake oil" in the beginning, but after purchasing and installing, ARC definitely helped get me to a quicker mix that translates across different speakers (and I have a somewhat treated area)

[perform/record]

Originally Posted by nott

i did last week a measurement with arc1 and yesterday i did again a measurement with arc2 with the same mic positions and speaker levels.
the result is more clear and transparent with a accurate low end.
and it´s nice, that you can switch between arc1 and arc2 measurements.

Thanks.
The low end improvement is really attractive b/c the low end here sounds a bit scooped with arc1. The measurements revealed a pretty deep null around 100-200hz and arc1 didnt do very much there, but above that sounds quite good on DSM3's. I'm in a basement studio (>6.5 foot height ) w/ 2 corner traps florr to ceiling, a cloud and some auralex.

[George Necola]

The main issue I have with automaticly-bettermaker-tools is, that you dont know exactly what they are doing. It's called audio engineering, not audio guessing.

You cant beat physics but you can help people with a foam-treated (hi Auralex) basement studio, to change something for the better or the worse. We don't know.

I like IK products and I own several of them. I think it's just a bad idea to produce a product for people who should buy 10inch+ thick traps and accurate monitoring.

Cheers

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[Peter - IK]

Originally Posted by George Necola

The main issue I have with automaticly-bettermaker-tools is, that you dont know exactly what they are doing. It's called audio engineering, not audio guessing.

You cant beat physics but you can help people with a foam-treated (hi Auralex) basement studio, to change something for the better or the worse. We don't know.

I like IK products and I own several of them. I think it's just a bad idea to produce a product for people who should buy 10inch+ thick traps and accurate monitoring.

Cheers

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Understood but not everybody can or will be able to do that. Best scenario to me is where you can't treat (or treat enough - which to me is the sweet spot of ARC), and doesn't sound all so far away from your sentiments except that what people should buy and what they can buy are two different things. I wouldn't replace treatment with ARC and I work for IK. But on a limited budget or where you simply can't do the proper construction it seems to help people.

[nott]

Originally Posted by George Necola

The main issue I have with automaticly-bettermaker-tools is, that you dont know exactly what they are doing. It's called audio engineering, not audio guessing.

You cant beat physics but you can help people with a foam-treated (hi Auralex) basement studio, to change something for the better or the worse. We don't know.

I like IK products and I own several of them. I think it's just a bad idea to produce a product for people who should buy 10inch+ thick traps and accurate monitoring.

Cheers

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i really spend much money in acoustic treatment and perfect monotoring - but never wanna miss arc.
you never can closer to a flat frequency response.

[perform/record]

i'm not very concerned about how a digital device/software does what it does, just whether i like what it offers or not.

honestly, i tried to read and learn about treating a null and my head spun.
if my cloud was 10+ inches thick, i'd have to mix sitting indian-style.

this isnt a big basement room, not that small either, but i'm not very keen on over stuffing the place with treatment panels, etc. i intend to make more 4" ecose panels for the other 1st reflection spots, maybe a few corner traps for the wall/ceil, add arc2 and hope for the best. arc2 will likely (read definitely) be first.

[andiw]

In case anybody is interested, I wrote a blog post about my measurements before and after ARC/ARC2:
Gitarre Friedenau - IKM ARC and ARC2: Measurements

and no, I don't get any money from IKM

[Brian @ IK]

ARC 2 uses the later microphone from ARC 1, the IK00008. ARC 2 is compatible with ARC 1.3 & 1.3.1 measurements. The enhanced MultEQ XT32 engine in ARC 2 features improved accuracy with fewer measurements over ARC 1.x.

[Dappolito]

I updated to Version 2 and here are a few notes:

- Arc 2 uses less CPU then Arc 1
- It's still low latency. In fact it's just 3 samples latency, Arc 1 had 4 samples
- Basically, you HAVE TO make new measurements. That is of course no problem, unless you are very busy. Without new measurements you lose all new features like better resolution, Sample Rate Support beyond 96khz, Custom Curves, Virtual Monitoring, Combined LR Curves
- Most important: ARC 2 sounds better. I did 10 blind tests and always picked Arc 2. Sure, this is not a high enough number but it's clear to me that ARC 2 upgrade is a no brainer. Never spend less money to improve sound quality.
- some features I hoped for are not implemented, such as direct volume control for the measurements, possibility to route all system audio through ARC, importing own speaker pictures and one or two other things I dont recall atm.

[perform/record]

Originally Posted by andiw

In case anybody is interested, I wrote a blog post about my measurements before and after ARC/ARC2:
Gitarre Friedenau - IKM ARC and ARC2: Measurements

and no, I don't get any money from IKM

Thanks.

The laser pointer trick is clever.

[soundsfromsound]

Originally Posted by Peter - IK

Understood but not everybody can or will be able to do that. Best scenario to me is where you can't treat (or treat enough - which to me is the sweet spot of ARC)

Precisely.

[Jeezo]

any word on the cpu hit versus arc 1 ?

And cpu hit using modelled monitoring , is it the same ?

[soundsfromsound]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

any word on the cpu hit versus arc 1 ?

And cpu hit using modelled monitoring , is it the same ?

Did you see Dappolito's post?

Originally Posted by Dappolito

I updated to Version 2 and here are a few notes:

- Arc 2 uses less CPU then Arc 1
- It's still low latency. In fact it's just 3 samples latency, Arc 1 had 4 samples

I can confirm also, it's very good on CPU here.

[borg64]

Originally Posted by Brian @ IK

ARC 2 uses the later microphone from ARC 1, the IK00008. ARC 2 is compatible with ARC 1.3 & 1.3.1 measurements. The enhanced MultEQ XT32 engine in ARC 2 features improved accuracy with fewer measurements over ARC 1.x.

Apologies on being thick, but does this mean the v1 to v2 upgrade ships with a new measurement mic of the current model? I have the first model. I'm asking as someone mentioned they upgraded to a download version, and my silly email still refuses to do microphones.

Thanks!

Sven