bx_rockrack - Guitar amp plugin OUT.

[brainrox]

Originally Posted by Dubster

Still undecided due to the lack of diversity in cab emulation options. Still on the beta demo, but I believe it's about to expire. Who exactly does the double demo thing work? What do I have to do to demo the final release version for an additional 14 days?

We have deleted all demos started before June 20.
When your trial expires simply click ACTIVATE again and redo the activation process.
Enjoy!
The PA team.

[thedommer]

This plugin sounds awesome but I really want more tones than just these rock amps. I'm sure there are more coming but they are not here now and my computer is to old to run these and my synths/drums at the same time...so I ordered a kemper. I'm sure I will pickup this plugin when it has more amps though. Great work!

[aaronsmith]

New demo im working on, all guitars "AND" bass done with the Bx_rockrack,

Disco Rock needs arrangement ideas and critique

[Jantex]

Have tried the plugin and didn't get all the hype surrounding it. It has very good dynamics (like S-gear) but its break-up isn't even remotely on pair. i also never heard JCM800 with so much farty low end. this plugin is great for shreddy leads but that's pretty much all. for instance I much prefer Amplitube's Slash Marshall models. They sound much more Marshall to me. And I also don't get the point of haveng two amp models for JCM 800 clean and crunch. Holy grail JCM 800 is good old 2203 which is a single channel one and works wonderfully (and cleans itself beautifully) with a volume knob on a guitar. This in bx_rockrack doesn't do this the way it should. Usually I love bx plugins, but this one dissapointed me. Line 6 HD500 blows it away completely, S-Gear also and so does Amplitube (only with some amp models). Just my opinion.

[aaronsmith]

Its true that others might do a better impersonation of a given amp, but the actual sound “the guitar sound” its more authentic by that I mean it sounds organic, real, solid, actually recorded with a real microphone in the real world, The others as good as they are don’t have as much realness, even if they do imitate very closely the voicing of a famous amp, stack up 4 or 5 tracks with this in a busy mix, and then try the same with another software, you will here that it gets messy, I don’t find that with rockrack. There is more separation.

[George Necola]

I am currently testing it.

I had massive problems to make the plugin show up in cubase 6 (not 6.5.. I guess it0s 6.0.x). Well after installing and uninstalling it finally showed up under tools in cubase.. whatever.

I exchange my Kuassa with the rockrack and what I got was a big crackling delay. I checked the ASIO/CPU use and it clipped.. I dialed in 512 and it started to work.

so one instance of the plugin used 28% of my i7 2600k CPU. impressd..

sound:
the sound was versatile. I like the different cabinets. the graphical eq is very effective.

so far I enjoy the sound. still testing.

will there be an optimisation going on concerning CPU load? I am on the latest plugin version.

cheers
George

[kevaquarian]

Just bought it - eventually I did feel it had something to offer soundwise that the other amp sims didn't supply. Seems to sit into a mix with drums and bass better/easier than other plugz I've tried in similar scenarios.

Request to Brainworx:

Please can we have increment arrows for easy selection of amps and cabs?
Also, please take the delay FX off the presets?
Please add a couple more starting point clean/breakup presets?

Thanks!

[papaki23]

Can anyone make a comparison maybe with the Kemper Profiling Amp about the sound quality?

[staikov]

I made more than 20 records using rockrack - the beta and the current version demo. For me there is no doubt - this is the best in the software amp emulation. And I have seen a lot. The sound has "body" and that 3D. However, $199 is about twice bigger than I could afford, so no joy for me :(
Admirations for the developers - amazing job!

[Standstraight]

Originally Posted by staikov

I made more than 20 records using rockrack - the beta and the current version demo. For me there is no doubt - this is the best in the software amp emulation. And I have seen a lot. The sound has "body" and that 3D. However, $199 is about twice bigger than I could afford, so no joy for me :(
Admirations for the developers - amazing job!

You recorded 20 albums and can't afford 199$ ?

[Doc No]

Originally Posted by Standstraight

You recorded 20 albums and can't afford 199$ ?

don't feed the troll

[Jayrawk]

Any release date for the pro version or the bass version?

[K-Slash]

Originally Posted by Jayrawk

Any release date for the pro version or the bass version?

Bass version ?!

Can't wait !

[Ni6htWalker]

Originally Posted by Standstraight

You recorded 20 albums and can't afford 199$ ?

he is trying to say that he recorded 20 songs or demo songs.

[staikov]

Originally Posted by Ni6htWalker

he is trying to say that he recorded 20 songs or demo songs.

Sorry, my english perhaps - I recorded the guitars in that songs. Different styles. This is part of my job. I am working in Bulgaria - 199$ is ...hmmm... great amount here. I am thankful to audiomidi.com for the No-brainer deals - that is my only way to get good quality software for my job. However, I am ready to pay 99$ for this plugin, because I think it is really great. But not the half of my monthly income.I hope you got me right now.

[Jayrawk]

When will the pro version be released and will there be an upgrade price for people who have purchased the original rockrack?

[AndrewSimon]

Originally Posted by Jayrawk

When will the pro version be released and will there be an upgrade price for people who have purchased the original rockrack?

Many questions..... I asked at least 3 of them... 196 posts... not even one answer given so far..... not cool

[DSpec1]

Originally Posted by AndrewSimon

Many questions..... I asked at least 3 of them... 196 posts... not even one answer given so far..... not cool

I agree. I have been a great supporter of BX products, but the lack of responses to reasonable questions is puzzling and uncharacteristic of Dirk.

[Red Black]

I don't think I've had any questions answered either . . are our questions all about the pro version and/or bypassing amps and recording chains? I think they're keeping quiet on this topic at the moment . . maybe the demand for this functionality surprised them and they're thinking it over? It may have been one of the features that was to separate the pro version from the regular version?

If this functionality won't make it into Rockrack non-pro I'll definitely wait for the pro version . . mainly because the very things that make the 'recording chain' approach unique and awesome are also very limiting when it comes to creating your own guitar sound as a musician or as an engineer. Especially as Dirk recommends not processing the recording chains further and instead using the sounds as is or using the included graphic EQ to tweak the sound. I can't help thinking that once Rockrack conquers the world I'm just gonna hear those same guitar sounds again and again?

Obviously the ability to use my own amps/cabinets and recording chains completely negates this while still allowing me to use the awesome 'recording chains' when I want to :]

[DC23]

Originally Posted by DSpec1

I agree. I have been a great supporter of BX products, but the lack of responses to reasonable questions is puzzling and uncharacteristic of Dirk.

+1. I am thinking about buying this, but the fact that none of my questions regarding ETA of a Pro Version, features, etc, have not even be addressed makes me question my decision.

Likewise, Dirk mentioned that there would be more amps recorded in the future for Rock Rack...I'm wondering if these would be included for free in an an update, or whether individuals would have to pay. Every company is a little different regarding updates, some do it for free (i.e. Fractal) and some make you pay (i.e. Line 6, Avid). I have no experience with Brainworx in that respect.

[Dubster]

Has there been a response from Brainworx about the possibility of an update that allows users to bypass the cab IRs and use their own or any plans to expand the mic/cab selection? I'm going to have to decide whether to buy in the next 24hrs in order to get the plug for less than $250, and while the plug-in pretty good (A/Bing for high gain stuff, I still find myself using ReValver, but it's close), IMO, the asking price should be lower, especially in light of the fact that is essentially an LE version. To further compare, Revalver's similarly limited HP version goes for around $70 vs the full version (which allows users to load their own cab/mic IRs and has a wider selection of amps) is around $300. To me, if the rockrack is the LE version, the pricing could be more competitive. Just saying.

[Jantex]

I mean I'm not really sure how the rockrack amps were captured. After trying rockrack some more, I have to admit it stacks great, but the featured amps are not really the sound I'm after. I also mentioned in my previous post in this thread that there definitely are some compromises in the technology or something, because low end isn't like the real amps...as I mentioned I never played JCM 800 that is so farty and has such a huge low end.

Since some people drew some parallels to Kemper and in case these are true, brainworks must have developed some algorithm that automatically models the amps by analyzing them using many diffeent approaches (test signals, playing, etc) - like Kemper. In case this is true, I'd expect pro version to have this analisis-modelling engine included so that we could create our own amp-cab-recording chain profiles. So that this product would then become like some SW version of Kemper. This would be the only reason motivating me to buy this plugin. I am really not interested to choose among limited number of premade profiles and recording with the same sound over and over again.

[brainrox]

Originally Posted by AndrewSimon

Many questions..... I asked at least 3 of them... 196 posts... not even one answer given so far..... not cool

Hi all, it´s not that we release plugins or amps on a weekly basis. For now bx_rockrack is what it is.
Yes. There will be a pro version at some point, but we honestly don´t know when. It´s not going to be next week or in the next very few next weeks for sure.

We will have an update though (next week) with SELECTABLE BUFFER SIZES and LOWER OVERSAMPLING which reduces the CPU load A LOT if needed. It also will show you that only the higher resolutions deliver the full sound, so you can record with low latency and less resolution and then bounce / mix with full resolution...

Also, the amp plugin will most likely stay quite clean and not-overloaded with features, but we´re thinking about adding some of the cool extra features (which will turn the regular version (which is NOT an LE version) into something bigger aka the "Pro version") separate plugins, so the Pro version might well be a "bundle" of helper tools to add functionality for the recording artist.

Originally Posted by DSpec1

I agree. I have been a great supporter of BX products, but the lack of responses to reasonable questions is puzzling and uncharacteristic of Dirk.

Once in a lifetime (hopefully) I got married and took a honeymoon vacation, which I even announced here. I am back now. And madly in love.

Originally Posted by Red Black

I don't think I've had any questions answered either . . are our questions all about the pro version and/or bypassing amps and recording chains? I think they're keeping quiet on this topic at the moment . . maybe the demand for this functionality surprised them and they're thinking it over? It may have been one of the features that was to separate the pro version from the regular version?

If this functionality won't make it into Rockrack non-pro I'll definitely wait for the pro version . . mainly because the very things that make the 'recording chain' approach unique and awesome are also very limiting when it comes to creating your own guitar sound as a musician or as an engineer. Especially as Dirk recommends not processing the recording chains further and instead using the sounds as is or using the included graphic EQ to tweak the sound. I can't help thinking that once Rockrack conquers the world I'm just gonna hear those same guitar sounds again and again?

Obviously the ability to use my own amps/cabinets and recording chains completely negates this while still allowing me to use the awesome 'recording chains' when I want to :]

Yes, it would be very simple to enable a bypass for amps and recording chains, but this is not what we intend with THIS plugin. Maybe we´ll add to the concept later, but we´re 24 hours before the end of the "intro sale offer", and you ask us about new versions or plugins already. bx_rockrack is here to stay, we get fantastic feedback about the sound, and you may alter the sounds, add FX or EQ and compression to your liking, of course.
I just say that you don´t NEED to do that to get great pure rock sounds (or clean sounds), and that over-EQ-ing guitar sounds ultimately kills them in the mix.

No pun intended at all, but while we do hope that you like (and eventually buy) our plugins we have to follow our concepts, schedules and release plans.

I truly believe that there is no other amp plugin that does better what we have tried to deliver with bx_rockrack, but I totally don´t mind people liking other sounds or even concepts better.

bx_rockrack is how we at BX feel it should be and sound.
Rock on! Dirk.

PS: this means, we will release more info as we "confirm" and decide it internally. But only after this is the case, of course.

[brainrox]

Originally Posted by thedommer

This plugin sounds awesome but I really want more tones than just these rock amps. I'm sure there are more coming but they are not here now and my computer is to old to run these and my synths/drums at the same time...so I ordered a kemper. I'm sure I will pickup this plugin when it has more amps though. Great work!

Please check Tim Carter´s examples in his great review on live4guitar.com and you should hear that the plugin offers much more than just rock sounds...

Brainworx Rock Rack - Sonic Precision with Blue Collar Attitude - Live4guitar | Online Guitar Community

Tim plays HOT by the way, check him out.
The MP3s are below the text, pls scroll down...
Dirk.

[Jayrawk]

First of all congratulations on getting married and being in love.

I was inquiring about the pro version because of this-

"Last not least we will offer the sickest feature to RECORD doubled guitar tracks as fast as never before. No auto-doubling or crazy stuff, but a wishlist for guitarists produced by "real-life" professional rock producers."

This is the feature I am looking forward too. Is this still in the works?

[brainrox]

Originally Posted by Jayrawk

First of all congratulations on getting married and being in love.

I was inquiring about the pro version because of this-

"Last not least we will offer the sickest feature to RECORD doubled guitar tracks as fast as never before. No auto-doubling or crazy stuff, but a wishlist for guitarists produced by "real-life" professional rock producers."

This is the feature I am looking forward too. Is this still in the works?

Absolutely!
Dirk.

[Jayrawk]

Originally Posted by brainrox

Absolutely!
Dirk.

Sweeeeeet.

[Jayrawk]

Might be a little of topic, but if one can "profile" a whole recording chain of a amp/cabinet/mic/preamp/console couldn't one also "profile" an amazing vocal chain as well? Like Mic/preamp/compressor/console? This would be pretty amazing. Neumann or telefunken u47/Neve 1073/1176 0r CL 1B/SSL or Neve console. I would buy this plugin as well. I know that not one mic works for everyone, but this is just an idea. Would something like this be possible?

[Blacklightstudio]

I tried the marshall-neumann chain on a recent production because mesa needs too much cut's which castrate the tone significantly. Marshall with neumann sounds a little dark by it self but it is easy too fix with some eq. Here is a little example, just guitars quad tracked (4 tracks in total, two E530 and two Mesa's):
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6564739/BX.wav

Note how the plugin reacts to heavy palm muting! It has that organic tube-like compression and attack, cool! I've never had similar results with any other amp sims.

[Red Black]

Originally Posted by brainrox

bx_rockrack is how we at BX feel it should be and sound.

And that is how it should be . . you guys have great taste! I look forward to seeing what you do next in the bx_rack range