Waves "NLS" Non-Linear Summer

[tekn0]

The SSL Spike Model buss plugin distorts really easily.

[RaySoul]

Originally Posted by herecomesyourman

(As people used to track at one studio and mix at another later due to budget constraints back in the day)

That's funny. But, in the real world people still do this quite commonly...

[MarioContreras]

Ohh don't get me wrong I use them in a studio environment when I work. Thanks for the tips on the L3LL, I'm gonna have to try that, sounds interesting and since you've mentioned the snare I must do it.

I like the Chandler stuff a lot actually unfortunately I haven't had the chance to get my hands on them very often especially the mic pre.

[herecomesyourman]

@ Ray Soul - No doubt.

But it's less common for a new kid who's only worked ITB to think of things that way. =/

I just think blending two different but great desks always sounds good.

@Mario...

I love the Chandler stuff...but I'm more of a fan of the germ compressor than just about anything I've tried. I feel like it's kind of looked over, maybe it's the price point? Or because it's so intentionally colored?

It has harmonic distortions that I just can't live without, it's super flexible, and it's really easy to crush things in a way that doesn't feel like there's a lot going on by way of compression artifacts, even as it's coloring the tone.

Not subtle, but more like a swiss army knife that always has a good sound.

Good luck with the L3LL, stick it after the NLS as the last guy, if you're bouncing to 16Bit...use that plug on the 2nd dithering setting and set it for 16. That has always sounded best to my ears.

[Jeezo]

Originally Posted by at4033

The limitation is with VST3.

Ah ok ....good to know ...

[sbackdoor]

Originally Posted by tekn0

The SSL Spike Model buss plugin distorts really easily.

Same thought here. VERY easy..!

[Jeezo]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

Same thought here. VERY easy..!

kiss the top with it .....

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

Same thought here. VERY easy..!

Yep!

I just finished mixing a spot I did for Sandals Resorts, it will be on the air next week nationwide...it's a pop cover of the old song "I Could Not Ask For More."

I ended up using the SSL on the vocal buss (but not so it was crunchy), and oddly, the TG sounded the best on this particular mix for the 2 buss. I thought the SSL would but it was definitely thinner and not as exciting.

I had the Oxford Limiter on the 2 buss then I remembered I had the Waves demo for this package, so tried it out. The Oxford was REMOVED rather quickly... lol.

The end mix is still a tiny bit crunchy ...just a bit...with the TG pushed only slightly. But it does sound good. This stuff just kind of gels things nicely. Sometimes, I can't hear much of a difference when switching consoles until I start slightly pushing things...my ears must be going...but overall I think I must have this....

TH

[tekn0]

I like to max out all channels between +6 and +12 then between +3 and +6 on the mix buss. Seems to gel nicely. But Still i can push the Neve buss hard and it sounds awesome, the SSL buss just distorts and crunches bad.

[Jeezo]

make us hear that wehn it's out

I really gonna use the ssl to create those harmonics and this saturation , specially on the 808 to give than illusion that on small speaker , the 808 bleed is style here (not as pushed as Lex Luger)

[feck]

Just spent some time playing around with it, and am pleasantly surprised. The width I am hearing, especially on transients like snare, is pretty significant. That they modeled 32 channels per console and it automatically assigns them chronologically is impressive as well. Looks like they did a great job with this, and I can say that to my ears it is the best sounding console emu yet.

[Jeezo]

Scott have spoken ...lol

[marchhare]

Originally Posted by feck

Just spent some time playing around with it, and am pleasantly surprised. The width I am hearing, especially on transients like snare, is pretty significant. That they modeled 32 channels per console and it automatically assigns them chronologically is impressive as well. Looks like they did a great job with this, and I can say that to my ears it is the best sounding console emu yet.

After a couple of days with this, gotta agree.

[Retinal]

Still gotta try it myself, but reading the last comments about
the difference between channels I feel like this plugin is
gonna be a total mindf#ck for a lot of people.. e
and endless arguments about which channels is best for a given instrument..

[ryst]

Originally Posted by marchhare

After a couple of days with this, gotta agree.

I have to also agree with agreeing with this....or something.

I'm working on a few mixes at the moment and revisiting a few others for fun. I'm really digging the NLS the more I use it.

[herecomesyourman]

Originally Posted by Retinal

Still gotta try it myself, but reading the last comments about
the difference between channels I feel like this plugin is
gonna be a total mindf#ck for a lot of people.. e
and endless arguments about which channels is best for a given instrument..

Yeah, I'm staying out of that debate.

I'm finding general channel settings I like, making presets and making some notes as to which stems or buses get what. Listening to all the channels sounds about as fun and watching paint dry.

I will however use the time I didn't spend on that getting a good master done today and making some tacos.

[Johnkenn]

Originally Posted by feck

Just spent some time playing around with it, and am pleasantly surprised. The width I am hearing, especially on transients like snare, is pretty significant. That they modeled 32 channels per console and it automatically assigns them chronologically is impressive as well. Looks like they did a great job with this, and I can say that to my ears it is the best sounding console emu yet.

I haven't read the manual...couldn't resist screwing around with it first. So, it will automatically assign different channels? Is that what the auto button does? I was doing it manually...RTFM

[feck]

If you assign multiple instances simultaneously (over multiple tracks) it automatically does them chronologically up to 32 - if you do it on more tracks that that at once, it restarts at 1 after that and goes again. Pretty smart.

[Johnkenn]

Sweeet

[Blackers]

Amazing plugin.Not even demoed it,just purchased it here and then.amazing.i'm feeling working on ocean way.

[skiltrip]

I might be one of the few in this thread to feel this way. But I just got Stripbus a couple days ago. And I just started demoing NLS today. NLS is slick, and does sound nice, but I actually prefer what Stripbus does to the sound. I haven't totally written off NLS yet. But so far, I prefer my $29 plugin. Different strokes for different folks. It's a good time to be an in-the-boxer. We got a lot of choices!

Though on acoustic singer songwriter, low track count stuff, I like what the EMI desk brings to the table. Seems to enhance that in all the right ways. But for rocking stuff, Stripbus does a stellar job.

[GearNerd]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

kiss the top with it .....

I wouldn´t do that. The SSL really destroys and SHORTENS the cymbals. Makes them really dull. But if someone likes a dull sound, go for it!

The SSL emulation is probably the worst of these three emulations. It´s a shame.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

I wouldn´t do that. The SSL really destroys and SHORTENS the cymbals. Makes them really dull. But if someone likes a dull sound, go for it!

The SSL emulation is probably the worst of these three emulations. It´s a shame.

I would love to hear an example of something you are mixing to hear how you define the words "DESTROYS" and "SHORTENS" in reference to the cymbals.

Why don't you upload one of your OH tracks that has the NLS SSL on it and one with out and a screenshots of the settings?

[GearNerd]

Originally Posted by ryst

I would love to hear an example of something you are mixing to hear how you define the words "DESTROYS" and "SHORTENS" in reference to the cymbals.

Why don't you upload one of your OH tracks that has the NLS SSL on it and one with out and a screenshots of the settings?

I´m not going to start uploading my tracks, but literally my hi-hats went from beautiful bright long "tshiiih tsiiih tsiiih" to dull short "tsih tsih tsih", which made the track lifeless and stiff (even with the Gain 0). But hey, someone might actually like that? I don´t.

Try it yourself!

The NEVO doesn´t seem to do this.

[ryst]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

I´m not going to start uploading my tracks, but literally my hi-hats went from beautiful bright long "tshiiih tsiiih tsiiih" to dull short "tsih tsih tsih", which made the track lifeless and stiff (even with the Gain 0). But hey, someone might actually like that? I don´t.

Try it yourself!

That's the problem. Simply saying "try it yourself" doesn't prove ANYTHING. So if you can't unload two 30 sec stereo OH tracks or 2 HH's (one with NLS-SSl and one without) and screenshots of your exact settings that what you're claiming could be complete BS. And if someone else doesn't hear what you hear when they "try it for themselves" then you'll simply conclude that they must like DESTROYED, SHORTENED, LIFELESS cymbals. Again, complete BS.

If you are gonna make statements like that then back them up with real proof. This crap is far too normal on GS.

[GearNerd]

Originally Posted by ryst

That's the problem. Simply saying "try it yourself" doesn't prove ANYTHING. So if you can't unload two 30 sec stereo OH tracks or 2 HH's (one with NLS-SSl and one without) and screenshots of your exact settings that what you're claiming could be complete BS. And if someone else doesn't hear what you hear when they "try it for themselves" then you'll simply conclude that they must like DESTROYED, SHORTENED, LIFELESS cymbals. Again, complete BS.

If you are gonna make statements like that then back them up with real proof. This crap is far too normal on GS.

You don´t have to believe me of course. Trying it yourself is really easy. I mean how hard can it be? If you don´t hear it, crank up the gain a little bit. If you still don´t hear what I hear, fine. But I´m telling you man, I swear this happens with my tracks. I can easily hear it.

The NEVO (channel 1) doesn´t do this. And I actually found that NEVO channel 2 makes the hi-hat and cymbals even longer than the NEVO channel 1. You can try this yourself too.

[RaySoul]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

You don´t have to believe me of course. Trying it yourself is really easy. I mean how hard can it be? If you don´t hear it, crank up the gain a little bit. If you still don´t hear what I hear, fine. But I´m telling you man, I swear this happens with my tracks. I can easily hear it.

The NEVO (channel 1) doesn´t do this. And I actually found that NEVO channel 2 makes the hi-hat and cymbals even longer than the NEVO channel 1. You can try this yourself too.

I think you're missing his point. We all have different definitions for the words you used. One man's damage is another man's masterpiece. But when one makes personal-perspective-based comments like that, one tends to, perhaps unintentionally, shine an unflattering light on the product. I have not downloaded the plug yet, and cannot try it. But I would like to know more about your perspective. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why not upload a single before/after cymbal and hat?...

Off topic, I have seen a couple of "selling my VCC" posts. Why? Surely those who've purchased VCC liked it. Does NLS completely obliterate VCC's relevance? Personally even once I try NLS if I love it(and I'm thinking I probably will), see it as an addition to my VCC's area of the toolbox, not a replacement. I mean, I have used different SSL's and Neve's in my life, and gotten different results. Not to mention along with NLS' TG, VCC also represents a Trident, API and an RCA desk. Just more colors for me(as a kid, who didn't want the 64 Crayola Box?). Especially since as a PT user, Satson does not work in the current incarnation(PT 10, OSX 10.6.8)...

[AcoosticZoo]

Wow. NLS takes analog modelling to a whole new level, i can hear the crunch and punch when you smack it hard - Dynamic and alive. Greatest desk emulation to date. The things it does to audio is unbelievable. Mojo and character that oozes hi-end aural magic. The name NLS does what it claims. I can hear it respond dynamically to changing levels = pure orgasm sheer aural pleasure. imho that's what's been missing in itb missing for years - and I didn't think digital could sound this close to analog. Now that I've experience NLS in my workflow, I'll never go back to mixing and producing without it. Big thumbs up to waves! Before NLS and the likes, one had to work really hard around the linearity of DAWs to create mixes that had that "magic".

To those that didn't like NLS... I think it's likely that alot of mixing engineers here will just keep using NLS all the same.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[Fbhall123]

Anyone tried a combo of VCC and NLS? VCC first input slot and NLS last slot?
Or would that be over the top?

Best
Frederik

[Jeezo]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

I wouldn´t do that. The SSL really destroys and SHORTENS the cymbals. Makes them really dull. But if someone likes a dull sound, go for it!

The SSL emulation is probably the worst of these three emulations. It´s a shame.

when i say kiss the top , i"m not talking freq , but transients/high levels ...