waves V9 released

[raymondwave]

The whole plugins world is starting to feel pretty vague with the 64bit nightmare and all this constant messing around with licensing systems etc.. I'm beginning to get unsinspired by all this.

I watched the WLC video, but didn't get a proper idea on how difficult it is to de-activate and re-activate licenses between two computers? Can you do it with a few simple clicks? I'm gonna have to decide wether I'll create a new dongle or just activate them on the computer I'm using..

[The MPCist]

Originally Posted by skiltrip

Bundles are one license, so the whole thing is moved in one action.

I love the new license system.

Great! in V8, it was over a hundred single plugin licenses cluttering up my iLok. I had asked them to make a single 'Mercury bundle license' but they... blahblahblahblah.... so it's good to finally hear they're doing that.

[mattrixx]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

The whole plugins world is starting to feel pretty vague with the 64bit nightmare and all this constant messing around with licensing systems etc.. I'm beginning to get unsinspired by all this.

I watched the WLC video, but didn't get a proper idea on how difficult it is to de-activate and re-activate licenses between two computers? Can you do it with a few simple clicks? I'm gonna have to decide wether I'll create a new dongle or just activate them on the computer I'm using..

Difficult??? .... It seriously could not be easier. Never before, has it been this easy to shift licenses about without sacrificing ports etc.

[Marando]

Wow, many people are negative... first about ilok, now about the new licensing. I don't get it..

But anyway.. I'm happy, because my plugins load so much faster, yeah! And, guess what... ALL my plugins are 64 bit now!

Thanks Waves!

[raymondwave]

Matt, I asked if it was difficult or not, I didn't get a proper idea watching the video. Would have to rewatch it a couple of times so I thought I'd rather ask here.

If the activation/deactivation is nothing more than a few simple clicks, then I'm gonna take that route instead of the usb dongle, but if it takes a lot of clicks to first deactivate and then target the licenses etc then it's obviously the usb route.

I'm happy for anyone who is happy with this. I still have a lot of plugins 32bit (some even Rosetta) which don't even have a timeline set for upgrade. Took a lot of time gathering the setup I have now.. I've liked iLok for years and happy with it, moving daily between two computers, I have other iLok licenses too. It's all a bunch of uncertainty for me at this point and any extra trouble added to this isn't helping.

[LogicUser]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

but if it takes a lot of clicks to first deactivate and then target the licenses etc then it's obviously the usb route.

Depending on your definition of "a few clicks", let me explain a little better (hopefully):

If you move your licenses around a lot (from studio PC to notebook and vice versa), you should go the USB route, because this does only involve a one-time license transfer onto the key.

In case you authorize your harddrive and then want to move the plugins to a 2nd computer, you will in fact have to go through these steps:

- move local HD licenses back to the cloud via WLC on the 1st PC
- go to the 2nd PC, start WLC and transfer the license back from the cloud

IMO very easy, but definitely more to do than with the USB key. Furthermore, you must have the 2nd PC connected to the internet - if it is not, you cannot move the license file there.

Please note that Waves have also posted a great video explaining how to re-active or recover lost licenses: Reactivate & Recover Waves Licenses | Wavesupport

This is basically helpful when you have the hard disk of machine 1 licensed and forgot to deactive to the cloud before moving to the 2nd computer. With this, you can temporarily reactive your license on the 2nd PC - but be aware that this can only be done once per year - so when you are back you must pretend you found your 1st PCs harddisk again ;-) and reset the counter via WLC. All explained in the video.

Cheers
Tom

[mikegamble2]

Originally Posted by superwack

When PT goes to 64 bits you'll actually be able to use you 6GB of RAM... Til then, probably not too much reason to do the upgrade

I take it from your reply that a plug cannot operate at 64 bit if the the host DAW is still 32bit. Is this correct?

[munmun]

Just got a quote from wavesuniverse.com for $180 for the update where it is $200 at waves.com. Are they legit?

[dio]

Originally Posted by munmun

Just got a quote from wavesuniverse.com for $180 for the update where it is $200 at waves.com. Are they legit?

Of course they are. Also most dealers offer WUP renewal for a bit less than Waves direct.

[Grahamdwc]

Originally Posted by munmun

Just got a quote from wavesuniverse.com for $180 for the update where it is $200 at waves.com. Are they legit?

Totally legit...Gary is always very helpful and a lot of the time cheapest when i get quotes for Waves plugins.

Graham

[munmun]

Yikes! I have been bying direct till now!

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

Yes it does bother me a lot! It´s almost the same price I bought my bundles. So why do I have to buy them again every freaking year?!?!?!?!?!?!

I don´t have to do that with any of my other plugins.

I would understand if the Mercury bundle was a 200$ update, but why do I have to pay 200$ for few lousy bundles? 20$ would be more reasonable and fair.

Damn,my uad cards are paid for.no more bundles for me!how many compressors and eq's does one really need?

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[skiltrip]

Originally Posted by mikegamble2

I take it from your reply that a plug cannot operate at 64 bit if the the host DAW is still 32bit. Is this correct?

Correct. 32bit plugins need 32bit DAWs and vice versa.
Same goes for 64 bit.

[DannPH]

Are V9 Waves 64 bit only, or 32 and 64? I'm on Pro Tools (obviously still 32bit). I'm not really sure if there is anything to gain by upgrading now.

[skiltrip]

Originally Posted by DannPH

Are V9 Waves 64 bit only, or 32 and 64? I'm on Pro Tools (obviously still 32bit). I'm not really sure if there is anything to gain by upgrading now.

For Pro Tools users, no there isn't. Not at the moment.

[TheOxmyn]

Originally Posted by skiltrip

For Pro Tools users, no there isn't. Not at the moment.

Thx for the info.
Guess I'll just wait for NLS.

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by Marando

Wow, many people are negative... first about ilok, now about the new licensing. I don't get it..

Perhaps it's something else?

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[raymondwave]

These still work 32bit?

[TnHillbilly]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

These still work 32bit?

Yup

[Jeezo]

Originally Posted by T_R_S

Perhaps it's something else?

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Or simply because people here have more and more a global point of view of the situation and see clearly a destructuration of the industry (plugins) that need ,like back in dayz (Midi , VST , ASIO), a clear , common direction and normas ....

This is seriously becoming a mess : dongles , licences , formats(vst au dxi rtas ect ....) , 32/64bits ....Ect .....

So maybe with this the game will self regulate .....or not !

For my part this is definitly a turn other on my system .....and time to clean
and minimise the croud to the desert island tools ....(i can do that because mixing is not my main job)

So yep , complaints are legit ....it's like that in all industry ...the first exemple that came in my mind is anaolg TV that stooped in France few years ago for the All numerical ....and people with old tv having to buy Numerical boxes or a new TV !


EDIT : and what is crazy is that ,people, including me, kept asking if the ilok will be still and option , and nof answer from WAVES a, some answers from some dude saying yes ....but not a word !!

[freudes]

Anybody knows how Cubase 6.x.x 64 bits reacts after you installed Waves v9 64 bits and when you open projects containing Waves v8 plugins jBridged ???

I'd love if it could go smoothly...

Thanks a lot for any feedback

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by freudes

Anybody knows how Cubase 6.x.x 64 bits reacts after you installed Waves v9 64 bits and when you open projects containing Waves v8 plugins jBridged ???

I'd love if it could go smoothly...

Thanks a lot for any feedback

Dont know if this will help but after updating to Ver 9, thats what loads up ONLY here. I checked them with 32 DAW mode to see if ver 8 would load from my iLOK and they still have Ver 9 listed so I dont think I can access ver 8 anymore. It scanned ver 9 plugins even with the 32bit mode on the DAW
Im on OSX BTW. Im guessing its only gonna load up version 9 of the plugins after you update. Hope this helps some

[freudes]

Allright. Thanks for your comments, shanabit. I'm on Win7 64, by the way. Did Cubase reload the settings you had on your v8 plugins into your v9 plugins ? This is crucial

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by freudes

Allright. Thanks for your comments, shanabit. I'm on Win7 64, by the way. Did Cubase reload the settings you had on your v8 plugins into your v9 plugins ? This is crucial

I believe so. I had the H-Comp loaded up and it came in the same form version 8. Dont quote me on that though, Id hate to be wrong and screw up your session. May get a 2nd or 3rd opinion

[UncleBubba]

No AAX...new iLok fiasco...

Bye bye Waves...say hell to all your new bedroom friends...enjoy the rush while it lasts...those bedroom guys change their minds like the wind...just ask URS

[Svein]

What's the hurry with AAX anyway?
RTAS/TDM works just fine until PT11 drops.

Originally Posted by UncleBubba

No AAX...new iLok fiasco...

Bye bye Waves...say hell to all your new bedroom friends...enjoy the rush while it lasts...those bedroom guys change their minds like the wind...just ask URS

[tonecontroller]

I'm actually liking this update, no problems recalling existing V8 sessions and the load times (and multiple windows) in Logic 64bit are a joy to behold

[DAW PLUS]

Originally Posted by UncleBubba

No AAX...new iLok fiasco...

Bye bye Waves...say hell to all your new bedroom friends...enjoy the rush while it lasts...those bedroom guys change their minds like the wind...just ask URS

A new copy protection scheme and 64 bit framework for all plugins is a lot of work. I am pretty sure the pros are not rushing into the new format anyway, they usually are late to the show.

[UncleBubba]

Originally Posted by DAW PLUS

A new copy protection scheme and 64 bit framework for all plugins is a lot of work. I am pretty sure the pros are not rushing into the new format anyway, they usually are late to the show.

good points...however...Waves is not even "saying" that they are going there...ignoring it means you have no plans in the immediate future which means bye bye to all your pro users...

Originally Posted by Svein

What's the hurry with AAX anyway?
RTAS/TDM works just fine until PT11 drops.

huh? a TDM system IS fine an HDX system with no DSP plugs is barely fine.

[UncleBubba]

Originally Posted by macmurphy

d**k.

you must be one of those guys