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NoSaintNick 10th November 2013 04:15 PM

So I went and bought a cheap usb hub at micro center. I now plug that into the usb lightning adapter then the UNO Midi and Firepower go into the hub. The UNO works perfectly with every app, all midi is recognized properly. Not sure why the firepower has problems with midi, maybe it's an issue with iOS7?

Anyway, this setup works well enough and I'm still happy with the firepower. My recording setup is a tangle trying to integrate two audio interfaces, two midi interfaces, multiple midi controllers, two guitar synths, and three computer systems (ipad, laptop for midi routing, and desktop DAW).

John DiNicola 12th November 2013 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibmixin (Post 9576077)

Dear ibmixin,
Thank you for taking the time to try out our FCA1616. While we appreciate honest reviews from end-users, I feel that we can workout the issues you bring up with some troubleshooting. Please allow me to comment on the issues discussed in your video.

Regarding the 60hz hum on Output 1: Are you using balanced TRS cables? This noise could picked up from your computer monitor or laptop power supply. Did you swap the cable completely or only on the FCA1616 side? This behavior is not typical of the FCA1616's balanced outputs, and is likely caused by external factors.

Regarding ADAT: DId you configure the FCA1616 for external optical sync on the Mac OSX Audio/MIDI setup? When using an ADAT device with FCA1616, one device must be set as "master" and the other as "slave", or external sync.

Regarding the headphone outputs: You are correct that the main volume will turn down the signal coming out of the first headphone output, as its signal comes from Outputs 1-2. Using the main volume in conjunction with the dedicated headphone volume, it is usually possible to achieve the desired results.
Another option is to use the 2nd headphone output. By default, it gets the same signal as the first headphone out, but if you engage the "3-4" button it gets signal from DAW outputs 3-4. When this is engaged, you need to send audio out of DAW outputs 3-4 in order to hear anything. This feature allows you to create a completely separate mix for headphones then what you hear on the control room monitors. In your DAW, you could also just route the same signal that is coming out of outputs 1-2 to also come out of outputs 3-4. This would provide a completely separate level control on the second headphone output.

We would be happy to help you with any other questions you have on the FCA1616 interface. Should there be a hardware issue with your line outputs or ADAT inputs, our CARE department is happy to work with you to fix/replace your unit. Please feel free to reach out to me on this thread or via PM if I can be of help.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

Zajebca 13th November 2013 05:35 AM

Hi , just found that Behringer make this week a webinar about the FCA series :
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/568093047
It might be worth checking :)

imgoinmad 14th November 2013 07:33 AM

I have an FCA1616 which I've had for 4 or 5 weeks. I'm using a Mac with mountain lion and protools 10 with the FCA running on a FireWire connection. Initially I was experiencing some clicks and pops but that seemed to go away when I unchecked the FCA in the pro tools agregate i/o in the audio midi setup. I should also mention that I also have an ADA8200 connected.

My questions:
1: as a Mac user is there any need to update my firmware?
2: how would I update the firmware when the updates appears to be a windows executable?
3: the units specs say it is 24/96 but audio midi setup only reports 44.1 or 48khz as options (and pro tools reflects these same options). How do I enable 96khz? (I normally work in 48khz, but have a need to simply edit existing 96khz files and keep them at 96khz)
4: related to #3, is this potentially related to my ADA8200 which seems to be 44.1 or 48khz only?

Thanks in advance!

imgoinmad 14th November 2013 09:54 PM

My last post is no longer pertinent. The webinar today was awesome. Mark and Joe are both awesome, responsive and informative. They answered a ton of questions. I wish every company had this type of support.

BigGreen 14th November 2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_R_S (Post 7478830)
how do they get away with this?

My question is why they don't get praised here, like everyone snarking API, Neve, SSL, and Pultec designs does?

The definition of theft around here seems pretty liquid and preloaded with hypocrisy given this site is for promotion of gear whether based on an original idea or stolen by some opportunistic business person.

No judging, just saying.

D

Nick Stavrakis 15th November 2013 09:20 AM

TEST ON AUDIOFANZINE OF FCA1616

Behringer Firepower FCA1616 Review : Behringer Gives Its Interfaces The Midas Touch - Audiofanzine

Piszpan 15th November 2013 10:28 AM

Nick,
Thanks for the link.

Unfortunately the figures show that the audio performance is rather poor. :(

for-gee 16th November 2013 08:20 PM

just a tip for anyone who's having pops and crackling noise while playback (which I had with the FCA1616 when playing Youtube videos and strangely on the input channels in Cubase, I'm on Win7 64 bit):

after changing synchronisation mode to "CSP (Firewire bus)" (on FCA Driver Control Panel, Synchronisation tab) the pops and crackling noise were gone.
If changing the buffer depth doesn't help it's worth giving this a try.

Fernand 18th November 2013 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piszpan (Post 9593514)
Nick,
Thanks for the link.

Unfortunately the figures show that the audio performance is rather poor. :(


In reality, not sure any others in the sub $1000 range are any better, or that it's all that poor. It's better than say the more expensive Avid Duo at raw noise and frequency response, and the greater crosstalk, at around 75 dB is not something I'd worry much about.

I'm having other troubles that are more serious: in Windows latency is higher, and MIDI has stopped working, with the new firmware/drivers. Latency over 15 mS on a lightly loaded DAW is just not usable for me. I started tabulating latencies and was about to revert to the older firmware, to compare, as it seemed better that way, but I haven't found the time yet to get back to finish the testing on Windows. If I had no other interface on my Windows machine, I would be more desperate.

With the updated firmware it has worked well enough in some simple Logic X sessions on my hackintosh over Firewire, where the older firmware had a couple of issues that now seem gone:

1) a slowly degrading sound quality (to the point of finally sounding like decimated hash) gradually over hours, until I'd reset the driver by changing a parameter, and

2) the (unimportant) inability to quickly turn on the USB blue light and wake up fast enough to play a short alert sound, if used as the default sound card.

Try playing submarine in the Sounds Preferences panel. With the new firmware the Core Audio driver keeps the blue light on, but there is still a delay in actual playback start. But who uses a box like this as their default sound card?

People on the mac with un-updated firmware might want to keep an ear open for the deteriorating sound problem during long sessions. I wasn't the only FCA user to report it.

Interestingly enough, some iMac users with expensive non-Behringer Audio Interfaces have experienced something a lot like that.

ACE IT UP 22nd November 2013 11:35 AM

My PT session shuts down after cranking the main output volume of the fca1616 to max. Error reads that PT is unable to communicate with the fca1616 and I must restart the session and set main output volume no more than a little past halfway in order to get it to run stable. This is a problem for me since I need the extra output for my outboard mixer.

Not sure if it's a related issue but I am using a firewire 400 to 800 cable then connecting to a firewire to thunderbolt adapter into my retina mbp. Everything works fine until I crank the volume up.

el touristo 26th November 2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE IT UP (Post 9613458)
My PT session shuts down after cranking the main output volume of the fca1616 to max. Error reads that PT is unable to communicate with the fca1616 and I must restart the session and set main output volume no more than a little past halfway in order to get it to run stable. This is a problem for me since I need the extra output for my outboard mixer.

Not sure if it's a related issue but I am using a firewire 400 to 800 cable then connecting to a firewire to thunderbolt adapter into my retina mbp. Everything works fine until I crank the volume up.

Please let us know if you find the cause. I'm considering getting one.

Evan Hooton 26th November 2013 10:21 PM

Dear Ace It Up,

I wanted to let you know that I am currently looking into this for you and will have a response soon.

Best,
Evan Hooton
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

Rodney Gold 27th November 2013 10:46 AM

I am not a recording engineer , but I just bought a FCA1616 as an audiophile device.
What I was looking for is a usb/firewire to SPDIF/Toslink convertor. The unit works wonderfully in this made
I was also looking for a decent high rez DAC for my USB computer based music - and it works well in that mode too
Heasdphone amp is great as well , I use it in 2 modes to drive headphones , the internal HP amp and then sending out line level signals to an external HP amp.
Nice AD for my analog inputs
Much cheaper than some high end products that offer less , and good quality sound as well.
SPDIF input from other devices like my Meridian 568.2 processor and squeezebox works well too.
Also a good mic input for my room measuring software (REW) and good toslink output to a digital bass correction device (dspeaker antimode 2.0)
At any rate , its an excellent product for music playback from my computer or other devices.

HOWEVER

1) The manual is shocking , sorely lacking detail

2) Switching outputs is a mission , I am not using a DAW .. so I have to go to control panel/sound and do any routing thru that and have to stop my player and restart it to effect that routing

3) When SPDIF is active as an output , the headphones are silent , as is the main 1/2 output..is there any way that I can get all those outputs active at the same time?

4) If I do send to 1/2 , it would be nice if 3/4 is also active (sending to main speakers and subs simultaneously)

5) I thought some software switching was included , when the behringer control panel appeared after loading drivers , but it really does nothing barring renaming - clicking on an I/O name doesn't change anything
Any help out there for these issues?

stikka 28th November 2013 07:21 PM

I bought the FCA1616 almost 2 months ago, after reading this thread. I got it from musicstore.de and was ready to send it back if there would be any problems, but it's been performing very well. Upgrading from an M-Audio Delta 44. The 1616 sounds a bit smoother less aggressive in the highs, more polished, less "digital".

I always hated the M-Audio software thingy to set up monitor mixing I prefer it this way, just twist the knob to the left to monitor inputs, easy. Any other routing I use the DAWs.

The LEDs turn red a little bit before clipping, so twist until they blink red, back off till they're just green, now you have a healthy signal and a little bit of headroom still.

Main volume turns headphones 1/2 down so still using my crappy monitor switch thing. I tried my PCs built in Firewire but no joy so running it over USB did all my testing and it all seems fine, I recorded some drums on location using the built in preamps and it turned out very good, had some small dropouts laptop is an old Win XP dual core and I recorded at 96 Khz, need to look at optimising the laptop a bit better.

I'm happy with it, can't really beat it at this price.

jpmcneil 4th December 2013 06:14 AM

SPDIF Noise
 
Got one of the first units out a couple months back, had some recording audio artifact problems with the old USB drivers initially, the newer drivers solved that...until now. Tried to use a SPDIF connection in for the first time tonight....recording clics and pops every 5-10 sec...not much, but it doesn't take much, does it. Tried both coax and optical, same thing. It is in the recorded take, not just in playback. Win7/64 PC, pretty robust system, USB (never tried and don't want to use Fire). Recording multiple analog ins have been fine since installation of new driver a month ago. Did not download the recent firmware update, because no problems until now, and didn't want to tempt fate (considering some of the posts here about the firmware update). Stream buffer at 4.0 ms, ASIO/WDM at 10.0 ms. Tried to email support on the Behringer site....no go....clicking on the English language support center link yields nothing. Someone here, and/or Behringer, please. I was almost ready to like this machine again.
ps- Agree with Rodney G above, we need a FULL/REAL manual. Please.

imgoinmad 4th December 2013 07:05 AM

Try posting at the Behringer forum I bet you get a pretty quick response

Recording General Discussion

hal rockwell 4th December 2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zajebca (Post 9587301)
Hi , just found that Behringer make this week a webinar about the FCA series :
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/568093047
It might be worth checking :)

Is there a way to get a recording of this webinar?


Sent from my W8 beyond

hotshot 4th December 2013 01:39 PM

Is it possible to run TWO (or more) FCA1616 on a mac at 96k and get 16 outputs?

If they wouldn't link directly could you do a Mac Aggregate Device with both plugged in to Mac with FW and clock one off the other with ADAT | S/PDIF?

John DiNicola 4th December 2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpmcneil (Post 9646442)
Got one of the first units out a couple months back, had some recording audio artifact problems with the old USB drivers initially, the newer drivers solved that...until now. Tried to use a SPDIF connection in for the first time tonight....recording clics and pops every 5-10 sec...not much, but it doesn't take much, does it. Tried both coax and optical, same thing. It is in the recorded take, not just in playback. Win7/64 PC, pretty robust system, USB (never tried and don't want to use Fire). Recording multiple analog ins have been fine since installation of new driver a month ago. Did not download the recent firmware update, because no problems until now, and didn't want to tempt fate (considering some of the posts here about the firmware update). Stream buffer at 4.0 ms, ASIO/WDM at 10.0 ms. Tried to email support on the Behringer site....no go....clicking on the English language support center link yields nothing. Someone here, and/or Behringer, please. I was almost ready to like this machine again.
ps- Agree with Rodney G above, we need a FULL/REAL manual. Please.

Dear jpmcneil,
This sounds like a clocking problem. What device are you connecting via SPDIF? Is it set to receive sync from the FCA? Did you connect the FCA SPDIF output to your devices SPDIF input? This is necessary in order for your device to receive clock signal from the FCA610, even if you don't need to send audio from the FCA to your device. If you need further assistance, please let us know here or reach out to me via PM.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

jpmcneil 4th December 2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John DiNicola (Post 9647387)
Dear jpmcneil,
This sounds like a clocking problem. What device are you connecting via SPDIF? Is it set to receive sync from the FCA? Did you connect the FCA SPDIF output to your devices SPDIF input? This is necessary in order for your device to receive clock signal from the FCA610, even if you don't need to send audio from the FCA to your device. If you need further assistance, please let us know here or reach out to me via PM.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

John D, thanks for your prompt reply. Responding here as I really like this forum, and it may help others. The outboard unit is the strange and wonderful Korg TP-2 Dual Tube Preamp w/digital SPDIF Output (it has no dig Inputs), but both coax and optical Out. Far as I know, it is working fine, and I have never had a problem synching it with this setup before to other units. Perhaps in the 1616 control panel Synch, set the TP-2 as the clock source? It is critical I get this working to maximize the number of Ins when I record. Thanks, JP

John DiNicola 4th December 2013 06:11 PM

Dear JP,
Since the Korg TP-2 unit does not have digital input, I would agree that you should try setting the FCA1616 to external sync and use the Korg as the master clock source. Since the FCA1616 is receiving signal from the TP-2s digital output, this should work. As you mention, you will find this option under Synchronization in the FCA1616 control panel. Let us know how you make out!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

jpmcneil 4th December 2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imgoinmad (Post 9646509)
Try posting at the Behringer forum I bet you get a pretty quick response

Recording General Discussion

imgoinmad, Thanks, I will check out the Behr forum later, but I really like this one, and as you can see, John D from Behr answered me very quickly here. They must closely monitor this forum, as it is a good one. Seems like you were having the snap-crackle-pop thing too, ever get it resolved? I also want to check out their video, but Behr does need to get a good manual together soon for this potentially good unit.
ps- Holy Smokes, John D from Music Group/Behr answered me within MINUTES, while I was posting this to you. They are monitoring this forum closely....not a bad thing. GREAT support! Always a major plus.

jpmcneil 4th December 2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John DiNicola (Post 9647890)
Dear JP,
Since the Korg TP-2 unit does not have digital input, I would agree that you should try setting the FCA1616 to external sync and use the Korg as the master clock source. Since the FCA1616 is receiving signal from the TP-2s digital output, this should work. As you mention, you will find this option under Synchronization in the FCA1616 control panel. Let us know how you make out!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

John D, Your prompt support is no less than awesome, thanks. Don't have time to try this now, but will later. Just thinking, if I am doing multiple Ins, like drum kit, with 1-8 In from other sources, and 9-10 from the TP-2, what happens if I am synched to it? Wont matter cause the other sources are not digital/SPDIF?
ps- as you can probably tell, I am an intermediate user, ie I know just enough to be dangerous....but it's how we learn....hopefully.

John DiNicola 4th December 2013 06:47 PM

Dear JP,
Always happy to help! The short answer is that clocking the FCA1616 to another digital device does not affect your ability to use its analog inputs. This is because the clock synchronization is happening in the digital domain. Your analog inputs on the FCA1616 are converted to a digital signal that is sent to your computer, and this digital signal needs to be "in sync" with the digital signal coming from your external device. Whenever two or more digital devices are connected together, it is necessary to have a master clock signal, even when the devices are operating at the same sample rate. This ensures that the samples on each device are lined up, in order to avoid the exact kind of digital pops and clicks you are experiencing. In this scenario the important thing is that both devices are synchronized to the same clock, not necessarily where the clock is coming from. I hope this helps a bit.

PS: While we do our best to monitor all forums closely in order to better support our customers, we encourage those needing support to post on our forum directly. There is a growing community there as well that is also happy to help, as well as other Product Specialists from the company. That being said, we do appreciate the enthusiastic discussion about our products that occurs here on Gearslutz as well, and thank everyone for their participation.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

imgoinmad 4th December 2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpmcneil (Post 9647903)
imgoinmad, Thanks, I will check out the Behr forum later, but I really like this one, and as you can see, John D from Behr answered me very quickly here. They must closely monitor this forum, as it is a good one. Seems like you were having the snap-crackle-pop thing too, ever get it resolved? I also want to check out their video, but Behr does need to get a good manual together soon for this potentially good unit.
ps- Holy Smokes, John D from Music Group/Behr answered me within MINUTES, while I was posting this to you. They are monitoring this forum closely....not a bad thing. GREAT support! Always a major plus.

John is great, these guys are doing a great job supporting this product. My snap crackle pop issue was resolved. I dug into my audio-midi setup and under protools agregate I unchecked all devices and then added them one by one, manually setting each to the same 48khz setting and then setting the clock source as the FCA1616

hotshot 4th December 2013 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotshot (Post 9647151)
Is it possible to run TWO (or more) FCA1616 on a mac at 96k and get 16 outputs?

If they wouldn't link directly could you do a Mac Aggregate Device with both plugged in to Mac with FW and clock one off the other with ADAT | S/PDIF?


John DiNicola:


Please answer question above and provide some insight into integration with other devices if you could….

THANKS!!

John DiNicola 4th December 2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotshot (Post 9648095)
John DiNicola:


Please answer question above and provide some insight into integration with other devices if you could….

THANKS!!

Dear Hotshot,
This I will need to check with our development team on, as I don't have two units here to test it out with.
I will follow up with more information.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

jpmcneil 5th December 2013 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John DiNicola (Post 9647986)
Dear JP,
Always happy to help! The short answer is that clocking the FCA1616 to another digital device does not affect your ability to use its analog inputs. This is because the clock synchronization is happening in the digital domain. Your analog inputs on the FCA1616 are converted to a digital signal that is sent to your computer, and this digital signal needs to be "in sync" with the digital signal coming from your external device. Whenever two or more digital devices are connected together, it is necessary to have a master clock signal, even when the devices are operating at the same sample rate. This ensures that the samples on each device are lined up, in order to avoid the exact kind of digital pops and clicks you are experiencing. In this scenario the important thing is that both devices are synchronized to the same clock, not necessarily where the clock is coming from. I hope this helps a bit.

PS: While we do our best to monitor all forums closely in order to better support our customers, we encourage those needing support to post on our forum directly. There is a growing community there as well that is also happy to help, as well as other Product Specialists from the company. That being said, we do appreciate the enthusiastic discussion about our products that occurs here on Gearslutz as well, and thank everyone for their participation.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

John D, I figured (hoped) that the "digital domain" thing was at work here. I tried a stereo recording with just the TP-2, synched as the clock source, and no more artifact. I will try multi-tracking a drum kit (my first...may the Recording Gods and Goddesses be with me) this weekend with a mix of analog Ins as well as the digital TP-2, and as you said, hopefully this will be fine. Speaking of fine, your support is in that category, thanks. I will check out the Behr forum as you suggested. If I end up there primarily, thanks to all on this forum, knowledgeable, helpful, and no major arrogant smart-a's.

jpmcneil 5th December 2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imgoinmad (Post 9648009)
John is great, these guys are doing a great job supporting this product. My snap crackle pop issue was resolved. I dug into my audio-midi setup and under protools agregate I unchecked all devices and then added them one by one, manually setting each to the same 48khz setting and then setting the clock source as the FCA1616

imgoinmad, Thanks, glad it worked out. And yes, John and the support crew at Behr have been great. I am still kinda new at this, but I had heard horror stories of glitches with new releases, as this product is. It has had its share of problems, but Behr has not (as I heard some companies have done), left us in the lurch.


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