Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
You have outstanding hearing capabilities, bryan, congratulations. Hearing what NLS does in a crowded and noisy place like NAMM is truly impressive. I couldn't tell if VCC is bypassed or not in a place like that.
it was Sunday at 10;30 AM.....the place was still kinda empty and alot of things were not happening at the moment. Very quiet for a NAMM show. I heard a difference.
Originally Posted by markham
Bryan, it's not like you could really tell on the NAMM floor how different (or not) it sounds than the Slate VCC. It obviously does similar things, and it may even look similar, but I mean, how many different ways are there to actually skin this cat?
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, just trying to bring a different perspective.
I know no one is trying to pick fights.....i dont mind a good debate. But Im very familiar with how VCC sounds, i was part of the private Beta team when they first started developing it WAYYYyy back. So i grew to know how VCC sounds and what to expect from its emulations. When i heard Waves version......the same "like" sounds were very apparent to me. the SLL sounded aggressive and pinched, the Neve sounded HUGE in the sub-lows and a wide sound stage....yadda yadda yadda...
Now thats not to say they directly copied them
, but maybe both companies got a spot on emulation of these desk types.......im just saying these console emulations share the same characteristics from Waves and VCC. Very scary in how close they sounded.....
Maybe I shouldnt have said WAVES are copycats, cause that may not be the case. But in a blind A/B test.....i bet I wouldnt be able to tell them apart.
Originally Posted by ryst
What about Slate's Tape Machine plugin? I haven't read anywhere where you're calling that a copy cat of other tape plugins.
I personally think competition is good. I'm looking forward to trying out the NLS and I'm looking forward to Slate's tape machine. I think they can all co-exist without either company being accused of copying another.
i wouldnt say Slates tape Emu is a copy cat.....they modeled a tape deck thats NOT A STUDER (which seems to be the flavor of the past year). Plus I like the fact thay they kept the controls simple....no silly things like "wow/flutter" controls, Time delays (ms), hi/low freq roll of knobs.....all these silly little things you wouldnt
find on a normal Tape deck machine. They kept it simple and straight forward....and modeled a different machine. You should hear this thing.....of all the tape plugins ive tried....Slates was the only one that made me say "Finally someone got it right, it DOES sound like tape".
Can they co-exist?....of course they can. I just find it odd that Waves also has a selling price of $249 for their Desk Emulations (which so happens to be the same as VCC selling price)........I mean, Waves doesnt normaly sell things at $249, they are known to be the "expensive over-priced Brand". I Dont think its a hunch that its going to be the same price as VCC. They want a piece of Slates Market share.
Sorry if i offended anyone or sound like a jackass....but im just speaking my mind.