Originally Posted by Yuri Kogan
After the last discussion with Steven on these forums I got curious and bouught 2x sets of all his plugins (he was running a %0% off sale at the time.) I let my engineers decide (and clients too). We have a couple of great consoles and lots of outboard.
Steven was alluding to his plugins being close to replacement for most hardware consoles... Well, it is far from coming close. The responces so far: " not a bad plugin", "Can we stop waisting time and get into the console"...
I like his drum related plugins, but will reserve y thopughts on the other plugins in order not to stir passions here.
Steven is apassionate guy, I respect that. He is also an agressive businessmen and that comes first. The results could be interpreted as misleading. And for a professional like him it is somewhat disappointing.
Plugins are good for the things pluins are good for. Not as a replacement of a good analogue setup.
Sorry, just my $.02
Hi Yuri. I didn't actually say the VCC is a close replacement to an analog desk.. I said it is a flat out total replacement. At least in terms of sonics. Frankly, I've done too many blind A/B sessions of the VCC verse the real consoles with too many pros for this to even be a debate any more, at least to me. I sound like a broken record here, but time and time again, people are unable to pick the real desks from the emulation during a properly calibrated blind test. Everyone can always identify the ITB mix without the emulation. And now that even classic albums like the Beach Boys "SMILE" were mixed in the box with the VCC, I was hoping we could put this whole "I need a console because of the sound" thing to rest.
I'll make you or anyone else the same offer I made Jim Williams.. if you can pick out the console sum from the ITB/VCC sum on three or four different mixes, I'll make you the new owner of the Slate companies. Should be easy right? Because the emulations aren't even close?
Because if you think I'm misleading, I'd like the chance to prove you wrong. As you said, I'm a passionate guy about this stuff and I'll stand behind what I say.
Originally Posted by AudioSoundzz
Dr Bill - I have appreciated your insights but I am surprised to read that you a suggesting someone is not working in the "real world" simply because they do not see the need for iphones on this product. I work with platinum record guys as well and have my own and that does not make me or them suddenly want to use iphone playback in the studio. I don't think everyone works like you or has your clients. If this device is being built for platinum record guys I think they would rather see an analog board anyway so that is not the target market imo.
Hey brother! I don't understand what you mean by this... do platinum record guys not have iphones that they store their music on? I know quite a lot of these types of fellas, and they certainly have played me mixes off their phone and transferred them to my studio.
Does anyone here still have clients that come in with CD's? I haven't bought CD-R's in at least two months. Because no one asks for CD's anymore. Clients plug their iphones in via USB and I give them the mixes for referencing. Or they tell me to pull something up on youtube.
As for analog boards... why? We're audio engineers, so we're supposed to be forward thinking technically advanced people here. So why would anyone want to use 30 or 40 yea old analog designs that don't even come close to providing the proper workflow of a modern DAW studio? Because they are old? Because they are big and look cool? Because they make it difficult to interface with a modern DAW? Because they have noisy carbon pots and need constant maintenance just to run?
The analog board was built for a different time. Years ago I would have said that they were at the very least necessary for the nonlinear dynamic tone they provide, but as you can probably assume, that's no longer an issue in my opinion. I've been making the best sounding records of my career mixing all ITB. I'm sold on digital mixing now. My analog console is a big boat anchor in the middle of my studio. I'm counting down the days till I get the Raven X1 in there so I can work so much more efficiently. I wanna get with the times.
Originally Posted by AudioSoundzz
If I had not already invested in a 550 point patch bay with a large board and lots of outboard gear I would be interested in this product but i still do not see many advantages and some disadvantages. Most of the features to me are about looking cool ( ipad - cool for portable use but professional long term use? ) but in the end do not improve the sound of the final mix or work flow. We will see. I love and use many of Stevens Slates products and I really appreciate his business ethics, creativity and tenacity. If anyone can make this possible white elephant actually work it would be him and his (overworked - hope not) team but if he decides it's not its time, I would still have utmost respect for him and look forward to his next big idea!
Well I appreciate that while you're not sure about the concept, that you at least are gonna give me a chance here!!
You've got your thing with your board and your gear. I respect that. I know where you're coming from. I got a board. I got gear. I dig it.
But the workflow sucks for me. Recalls suck even worse. Compared to just double clicking the project file and knowing it's the exact same sound as I left it.. man.. nothing compares to that. But it always sounded like shit so I made it my mission to fix that problem. And I'm still fixing it. The tape machine plugin that I'm about to drop is the next step... Now I'm not only mixing through a virtual SSL desk, but I'm also tracking to a virtual Studer 2" 16 track and mixing down to a virtual 1/2" deck doing 15ips. I'm living the dream.
So back to the Raven here... this is the thing that ties it all together. This will allow you to sit down in your studio to track, mix, and master with a workflow and efficiency that will be unrivaled.
When you guys see what we've been up to with the Raven X1 since NAMM, it's gonna be a bit shocking. But for the guys who get it, it'll be amazing
. And for the guys who won't get it.. and you're out there.. well, I think you're gonna have to get it soon or you might get left behind. That's my honest opinion, not me trying to be a cheeky asshole here.. That goes for my entire post.. these are my points of view and I apologize if they come off as insulting to anyone, its not my intention.
In another week I'll reveal the new console. It's the most exciting thing I've ever been a part of. This has been a great discussion here, I appreciate it guys.