Line 6 StageScape M20d digital live mixer

[tobymusic]

Interesting concept. Super compact. Innovative.

Overview | StageScape M20d | Line 6

[tobymusic]

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[Johnkenn]

Doesn't really change the world for my purposes...

[Chrisc_o]

Originally Posted by Johnkenn

Doesn't really change the world for my purposes...

Odd response....


Wonder what the price will be.

[CTTE]

Cool! Now the whole band can sound crunchy and brittle!

[bishop666]

Originally Posted by CTTE

Cool! Now the whole band can sound crunchy and brittle!

But give it a try anyway.

[Johnkenn]

Originally Posted by Chrisc_o

Odd response....


Wonder what the price will be.

For what I do - recording in the studio - this is worthless. Kinda let down, actually.

[The Spark]

Meh.

[Chris Martins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgD4Pgv3yu4

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by Chris Martins

Jamzoom NAMM 2012 Line6 StageScape M20d - YouTube

It looks ridiculously simply, but, most musicians need that. Musicians are not known to be techy kind of people.

It also looks very garageband. I see it being a hit with, well, garage bands!

[anon]

I think this looks great, it just falls short with regard to AUX outs, if you are a band using IEM then four Aux send ain't enough, for those that don't use IEM and don't need external effects then this might be great, why is it so many mixers don't provide enough AUX'S.

[irebry]

I think you guys are missing the point by miles....this will be huge. Most gigging bands that don't have their own sound engineers and play in smaller clubs etc are going to love this. If you are playing in larger venues....not needed of course. I think the very fact that you can alter its use for live rehearsals, switch to performance mode in a different venue etc is great. But if the price is too high, nobody in the "small club" groups will be able to afford it.

[Loflyinjett]

Price is on the Sweetwater project page ... $2499

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[Alndln]

Originally Posted by Johnkenn

For what I do - recording in the studio - this is worthless.

It's not designed for the studio.

Kinda let down, actually.

How so? It's advertised as being a live mixer for small venues and home/project studio use. What's the let down?

[dickiefunk]

Like the look of this one! Wonder how it sounds next to a Presonus Studiolive or Yamaha 01v96!

[santibanks]

Originally Posted by Loflyinjett

Price is on the Sweetwater project page ... $2499

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very nice stuff, well thought out, but the price is a bit high…

[Yamahaha]

Originally Posted by santibanks

very nice stuff, well thought out, but the price is a bit high…

If it were in line with the cost of, oh let's say a Presonsus StudioLive 16.0.2, I would definitely consider it. I think this move away from traditional mixing consoles is the way the consumer market will trend very quickly. Some pros are already adopting the "virtual mixer" idea and I think it opens up huge possibilities both from control and simplicity standpoints.

[js1]

I would imagine that the weekend bands that I play in would be the target market. We don't have a sound man. Sound checks aren't part of the equation for us. As much as we usually get is some adjustments after the first song.

In that environment, sliders, knobs and buttons are your friend. Everyone knows how they work. And even still, you run into "why can't I hear this mic?" occasionally. This always occurs at the worst time, like 3 minutes before you're due to start. Menus are the enemy in that situation.

A former band I was in used to use a Yamaha 01V, and THAT was too much for them. And it had faders and mutes. Having the EQ and compressors on a menu page was too complex. So they bought a Mackie to replace it.

I'm not seeing it.

js

[Yamahaha]

To a degree you're right, but the magic for most technologically challenged bands will be the automatic settings that are applied based on the type of input that's selected. The club where I run sound has a small PA rig for the dinner time solo or duo acts that come in (a Yamaha powered mixer and two JBL JRX115s) and most of those knuckleheads can barely figure out how to use that, let alone work the EQ and effects settings.

My only issue with this piece of gear is the price. I can get the same capabilities with the Studiolive 16.0.2 for under $1200. Granted, there's more of a learning curve but I think it's worth the $1500 savings!

[Unknown soldier]

stupid question but worth asking - if you can control it remotely from the audience via an Ipad and wifi, I'm guessing that you have some connection that allows only YOU to control the mixer remotely, and not every other idiot in the audience with an Ipad. Otherwise anyone in the audience with an Ipad could F$%K with the sound, and hilarity would ensue.....

this mixer is basically an app in a box. Pefect for today's young generation that requires simple visual connection, rather than the torture of reading a manual and actually learning what the thing can do.

[Yamahaha]

From watching a couple of the demo videos, it says that the Wireless connection via an iPad is accomplished by inserting USB WiFi dongle into the USB slot on the mixer. I would assume it has software that would allow the creation of a secure password, just as you would on a standard wireless router. Seems pretty convenient!

[binarymizar]

Originally Posted by tobymusic

Interesting concept. Super compact. Innovative.

Overview | StageScape M20d | Line 6

Absolutely! A bit pricey and I hope it`s reliable, but I reckon I may well be up for one of these!

[taturana]

kinda cool... but too pricey... for 2400 dollars, i can get something much better...

[Wolfen667]

I think this is the product with the best potential of the last NAMM. I don't know how it is in other countries, but in France I feel like the sound is not good very often in all the live concerts I see, whereas I live in Paris. I have ever quitted a concert because I wasn't able to hear what the singer said, or something other than bass frequencies. If this product become less pricey, maybe concert places owners and musicians will be able to improve their sound on stage, whenever the sound engineer is drunk or incompetent

[waxout]

Allowing wireless control via iPad... still requires someone "in the audience" to act as engineer. Convientent yes, but really pricy and continuing the trend to dumb-down music and engineering.

[1979]

This Product Sucks. The same idiots who show up at gigs running their vocal through one of those crap helicon footpedal processors , now have the ability to shit-stain the entire band. Its amazing, last week at my house gig, I was sitting at the helm of an AVID sc48 driving a nice little line array, and the artist has one of those pedals. She kept on slamming on the 4.0 sec Hall with like everything above 10k boosted. People in the audience kept on looking at me like "WTF are u thinking sound guy?". I was still very nice and accommodating about this stuff as far as dealing with the artist went. She thought her pedal sounded "like..amazing! ". I think her guitarist was playing a line 6 rig (insert puking gesture here).

Its hilarious, you have a FOH engineer with 10+ years of experience working on console that has some great stock verb patches , as well as the verbs I own on my ilok, and you end up with some 18yo tart dialing up embarrassing amounts of the world's worst ****ing reverb. I mean Why not create a product that lets idiots like this (who probably have not played more than 2 shows in there life) mix the whole band?

[Chrisc_o]

Originally Posted by 1979

This Product Sucks. The same idiots who show up at gigs running their vocal through one of those crap helicon footpedal processors , now have the ability to shit-stain the entire band. Its amazing, last week at my house gig, I was sitting at the helm of an AVID sc48 driving a nice little line array, and the artist has one of those pedals. She kept on slamming on the 4.0 sec Hall with like everything above 10k boosted. People in the audience kept on looking at me like "WTF are u thinking sound guy?". I was still very nice and accommodating about this stuff as far as dealing with the artist went. She thought her pedal sounded "like..amazing! ". I think her guitarist was playing a line 6 rig (insert puking gesture here).

Its hilarious, you have a FOH engineer with 10+ years of experience working on console that has some great stock verb patches , as well as the verbs I own on my ilok, and you end up with some 18yo tart dialing up embarrassing amounts of the world's worst ****ing reverb. I mean Why not create a product that lets idiots like this (who probably have not played more than 2 shows in there life) mix the whole band?

Why not think about the possibilities of a unit like this in the RIGHT hands instead of in the WRONG hands?

I agree with you, of course, but there's still an awful lot of negativity for a product that actually has a couple of nice and useful features that could be of use to someone who knows what to do with them.

[hippietim]

I want this Line 6 mixer.

My band has been gigging with a Presonus StudioLive for several years and it's served us well. We don't have a soundman. We don't get sound checks. I play guitar so I walk out front and give the bass player signals to adjust stuff. We've got it down at this point. We've gotten compliments for years on the quality of our sound - from patrons, club owners, folks in other bands, sound guys, etc.

The bass player and I play in another band and we do frequent gigs with a revolving group of other players for charity.

So a digital mixer that we can get up and running quickly is a big win for us.

In theory the Presonus is still the thing for us. But it has some flaws that are starting to get difficult to overlook:

• It frequently boots up in a "not making any sound" mode - some seemingly random sequence of pushing buttons "heals" it
• The mixer can lose it's f**king mind - we did one of these charity gigs with a laptop hooked up so we could record the show and mix via an iPad. Well, somehow the laptop power supply came unplugged. Apparently when you're recording 16-tracks and have wi-fi going the battery drains quicker than normal - so when the laptop died, the Studio Live reverted to the hardware faders. Hilarity ensued - there's nothing quite like everything squealing at once.
• This past weekend we did another charity show and this time I set the hardware faders to all the way down and just use the iPad to do all the mixing. The theory being that in case the laptop died the sound would just drop out and nobody would require hearing aids. Brilliant right? Well, the StudioLive figured out how to annoy me once again. A couple times I actually touched the physical board up by the stage to make a quick adjustment. So the StudioLive reverted all of the faders to off like the hardware - despite the fact that I didn't even touch a fader. Of course, this is the sort of lesson you don't learn the first time. I learned it after the second time though.

I could go one but I'm sure this is boring to most folks. The problem with the Studio Live is that it has a fundamentally fragile software implementation and the remote features are after thoughts.

The Line 6 mixer looks to be very well thought out for our usage patterns. A couple more Auxes would be nice but we seldom use more than 4 so it's not a big deal. We're weekend warrior musicians with day jobs that play bars, restaurants, and misc. small venues for fun and charity. We need something flexible and reliable. The compact size is a big plus.

[hippietim]

Originally Posted by 1979

I mean Why not create a product that lets idiots like this (who probably have not played more than 2 shows in there life) mix the whole band?

Do you really believe that these so-called "idiots" will get better results with traditional gear on their own? Not a chance.

And based on my experience, there ain't a lot of good FOH folks out there willing to work for what the gigs pay.