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Wow, definitely looks like a great unit. Although, I'm not sure why people are acting like UA invented the wheel here. Metric Halo has been doing this stuff for a while now. For the price, I kinda feel like the Apollo is just their version of the 2882 (on board zero-latency DSP and give or take some features).

The Thunderbolt i/o is exciting though. Although I doubt the usability & routing capabilities of the Apollo will stand up to Metric Halo's stuff. We'll see...

Man, UA's marketing is impressive.
Because it works on a PC, I have been waiting nearly forever for a PC equivalent of a MH. All the really nice interface's seem to be for MAC (Excluding the UFX and Prism).
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They're having a big demo presentation this morning... I'm not there, but my buddy is and he's going to report in to me afterwards, I'll relay it here later today
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Hard to tell from the posted images, but it appears as though the "real time" mixer is limited to 1 main mix and 2 aux mixes. Anyone have any reason to believe differently?

Obviously the ability to use UAD plugins offers a slightly different dimension, but it seems like for pure routing flexibility the UFX has it beat. Also, they do explicitly state on their site that in order to include playback channels in the live mixer (soft synths, etc), that they "recommend" an ADAT loopback "solution" (ie workaround).

Cool product none-the-less!
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I'm also surprised by the lack of MIDI... although, as of yet, I didn't think anyone had integrated MIDI with Thunderbolt. It would seem a relatively easy task to do so...

in fact, given Tunderbolt's speed and bandwidth, maybe it's time for a NEW protocol? I know, unrealistic
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I only wanted a thunderbolt satellite
"UAD2 OCTO thunderbolt"
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The balanced line outs also 'spec' better than the monitor D/As which I find kind of strange.
I'd imagine that's because the balanced line outs are at a fixed level, where the monitor output has to go through a volume control which will degrade the signal slightly spec-wise...but will (hopefully) not be audible in most situations.

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We already know that the plugin processing on the UAD cards is much great than that of the TDM cards
Do we know that as far as the new HDX cards are concerned?

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DSP's CPU power will get old very soon, not the smarter move to pay for it..
People have been saying that for years. You're paying for a lot more than DSP horsepower here.

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The one thing I don't understand is the Sonnox announcement. I just don't get why someone would buy plugins for UAD that are available in native format.
It would make sense if you wanted to be able to use them for realtime monitoring, like you can with a TDM system...and if you get to use them natively as well like you can with a TDM system.

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UA needs to adapt. This soundcard is way overpriced too.
The market will decide that, but based on the response in this thread...I think they have it right.

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i like that it is like the 2192 and that it has the onboard dsp.
I do believe that the whole 2192 thing is pure conjecture at this point, is it not?

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you can daisy chain with thunderbolt no problem!
a second apollo could be daisy chained with either FW or TB.
It's not quite as simple as being able to do it because both Firewire and Thunderbolt allow it...UA has to write drivers to support it as well.

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TC Electronic and RME interfaces have always had on board DSP effects which are just like plugins.
MOTU and Focusrite have as well, and the new MBox and MBox Pro do as well...but they're not plugins, they're there for monitoring only. They can't be used as a plugin within a mix like the UAD plugins can. TDM systems have worked the same way for years.

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I know there is a lot of post's but I have mentioned the Spec's twice already, on paper it's looking better than a Prism Orpheus
What's on paper only tells you so much...until people have a chance to hear it we won't really know...
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I have a metric halo and was thinking of picking up a lio to expand. I would love to hear reviews of the conversion.
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Why should midi be a big deal anyway? A little USB dongle and it's sorted... don't see why all the fuss over that point.

So I'm assuming that tracking with plugins offers an option to only monitor or print the plugs? If you had to print that would be kind of silly. Will you still be able to use it within your DAW as a quad at mix time, or will it require a complicated routing scheme to send out from your DAW to the digital mixer software, then back into the DAW. That would also be kind of silly, if you ask me. They said there's a plugin for the DAW that handles recall, but it would still be nice to not have to go to their mixer any time you wanted to insert a UA plugin....

From what I can tell it's 8x analog ins plus 10 more digital, so 18 in max.

The thunderbolt option is very cool but that's still a very young tech - I might be a little nervous about it, especially with so many folks getting excited for mobile rigs.
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Metric Halo doesn't have UAD plug ins, for some that's what's important...
Good point. I guess if you have a habit of relying on certain plugins than it would be essential to get.

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Because it works on a PC, I have been waiting nearly forever for a PC equivalent of a MH. All the really nice interface's seem to be for MAC (Excluding the UFX and Prism).
Ditch the PC
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I just had an email discussion with Adam at UA. I was going to pre-order an Apollo Duo to use with my PC, however, he advised against it as there is no scheduled release date for PC Drivers, and with development delays it could be a long wait.

Probably better to wait and see if the drivers are stable anyway.
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To be honest this is exactly the type of box I expected Avid to come out with to replace the 003, maybe with 32 I/O to tie up with the PT software. I think this will be very popular.
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I think its best if i just be honest and say that is beautiful hardware.
I really really want the new UA Apollo and I love the look of most UA stuff. But this is the ugliest thing they have released! Much too modern looking for me, and the 1176 knobs don't help when there's some glowing green alien space ship light around them
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oceantracks wrote:

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Oh hell are you kidding me? Well I guess one could go...mic pre to Distressor to Line in on Apollo....etc...
Yes, you are right, external preamps, compressors,..... into Line inputs.
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That´s the actual exchange rate turned upside down!
2499 € = $ 3232
$ 2499 = 1933 €
Remember that European prices include VAT/Sales tax. Which is usually around 20% give or take (in sweden it's 25%!)
In germany $2499 would be €2300 which is probably close enough for them to round it up to €2499
Hopefully that french store did actually turn the numbers around!
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nice job! UA ...

any chance that the port options include a USB 3.0 card too? down the road kinda thing..

Was only a matter of time before UA had theirs, a company knee-deep in Analog and Digital combining the two worlds... lot of people wanted to see this product years ago as the bandwidth was available in USB 2.0 . But as long as its here now. Exciting times.

Metric Halo - ULN8/LIO8
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RME UFX
SonicCore Scope Xcite-1
etc etc

lot of High-quality one-stop shop boxes nowadays. We are sooo Spoiled.
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Whether or not these can also be DSP affected is another thing, but who knows?
In the software screenshot on the UA site you can see the ADAT and SPDIF channels listed and there ARE inserts on those channel strips, so I say that is a pretty good indicator that, yes, the additional ins can be effected as well.
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Why should midi be a big deal anyway? A little USB dongle and it's sorted... don't see why all the fuss over that point.
Probably a lot of folks like me who are one input short. I had to get a usb hub when I moved to the duet (usb) from motu (firewire) for my interface.

If it included MIDI, that wouldn't be an issue, and I'd have two fewer cables, and one less ugly box sitting on top of my desk. It just seems like such a simple thing to integrate, that's a bit of a hassle if it's not. I can't imagine it costs too much to include, but it's a definite plus.
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video says the thunderbolt card allows higher plugin count ?
Yeah, but this is only because of the bandwidth needed to transfer audio to and from the Apollo.
If you use FW800 instead of thunderbolt there are 2 limits:
The DSP power, and the FW800 bandwidth.
Whatever limit is reached first will stop you from adding more plugs.

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UAD Instance Chart
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* UAD-2 Satellite has a theoretical plug-in limit of 77 stereo or 152 mono plug-ins, and any number in the chart below for UAD-2 DUO or UAD-2 QUAD will be subject to those limits. UAD-2 Satellite theoretical limit settings taken @ 44.1 kHz, Firewire 800, UAD Bandwidth Allocation set to 85% in the UAD Control Panel application.
With thunderbolt it would be pretty hard to reach the bandwidth limit - but the DSP limit stays the same (comparing e.g. Satellite QUAD to Apollo QUAD)...
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Hi Everyone!

Could somebody please verify or correct my assumption.

The Apollo has a total of 14 analog ins (8 line ins + 4 XLR ins with mic preamps + 2 Hi-Z ins)?

So in order to use the line ins, I will need to connect the Apollo to an external device that provides 8 additional preamps?

I`m looking for a recording solution which offers me 12 analog inputs, i.e. the possibilty to use 12 preamps (+ A/D conversion) simultaneously.

Thanks in advance!
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To be honest this is exactly the type of box I expected Avid to come out with to replace the 003, maybe with 32 I/O to tie up with the PT software. I think this will be very popular.
FWIW - AVID is not replacing the 003. Their stance for 003 console users is to buy the MBox pro for I/O and an Artist control surface...
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Great piece of equipment, however, the price is only for those who can afford. 1k+ a bit too much for "ok producer"
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That´s the actual exchange rate turned upside down!
2499 € = $ 3232

$ 2499 = 1933 €
Nopez that ARE the starting prices, I called today with them. But this is the
Quad-core version.
The Duo-core version will be around 2500euro if I remember it good.

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Remember that European prices include VAT/Sales tax. Which is usually around 20% give or take (in sweden it's 25%!)
In germany $2499 would be €2300 which is probably close enough for them to round it up to €2499
Hopefully that french store did actually turn the numbers around!
Indeed we have VAT/Sales tax. And the dollar is getting stronger compared to the euro in the last month. And the French-store is getting the EURO price from the POUND STERLING to EURO. (Digital Village is a UK based shop delivering world-wide like Thomann in Germany).
So thats why the prices are a bit "off". Dollar -> Pound Sterling -> Euro @ DV247.com
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Are the 4 mic pres and the HIZ input in ADDITION to the line inputs or do you just get 8 total analog inputs?? In other words, are there 14, 12 or 8 simultaneous analog inputs?

And, if there are just 8 total, can you leave all 14 inputs connected and just select what you want to use with the software?

For instance, let's say i have the line inputs full of synths, and in the back i have 2 mics connected, can i leave them all hooked up without canceling out any of the inputs and select which one to activate digitally? I heard that one some of their pres you cannot have an XLR hooked to the back if you want to use the instrument input on the front or something like that...
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Hi Everyone!

Could somebody please verify or correct my assumption.

The Apollo has a total of 14 analog ins (8 line ins + 4 XLR ins with mic preamps + 2 Hi-Z ins)?
The news article on SOS says: "it has eight analogue line outs, and eight analogue inputs — of which the first four double up as mic preamps, and the first two also as DI inputs. "
Which is not exactly the same as 8 line ins + 4 XLR ins with mic preamps + 2 Hi-Z ins. But I am not sure because Sweetwater lists 14 inputs...

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So in order to use the line ins, I will need to connect the Apollo to an external device that provides 8 additional preamps?
You can use the line ins as line ins (for non-microphone sources like synths or insert outboard gear into your DAW etc.) immediately, but if you want to connect more than 4 mics, you need to get additional preamps and connect them to the Apollo's line inputs.

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I`m looking for a recording solution which offers me 12 analog inputs, i.e. the possibilty to use 12 preamps (+ A/D conversion) simultaneously.
If you really need 12 MICROPHONE inputs without the need for extra gear, this unit is not for you. I am not even sure if it has more than 8 simultaneously usable analog inputs out of the box (see above).
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Are the 4 mic pres and the HIZ input in ADDITION to the line inputs or do you just get 8 total analog inputs?? In other words, are there 14, 12 or 8 simultaneous analog inputs?

And, if there are just 8 total, can you leave all 14 inputs connected and just select what you want to use with the software?

For instance, let's say i have the line inputs full of synths, and in the back i have 2 mics connected, can i leave them all hooked up without canceling out any of the inputs and select which one to activate digitally? I heard that one some of their pres you cannot have an XLR hooked to the back if you want to use the instrument input on the front or something like that...
It's 8 simultaneous analog inputs. It's written on the page with the specs. I'd suspect that the Hi-Z inputs take the place of line 1 &/or 2 (when plugging in a guitar or bass).

For example:

You should be able to leave all your cabling intact. However, if you had a guitar plugged in Hi-Z 1 and a mic in XLR 1 and a mono synth in line level (1/4 TRS) input 1, you'd have to select the input source as they're all plugged into the same analog (A to D) channel.

Make sense? This looks to be the case after reading about this box.

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A lot of times, I print with plugins on the way in to the DAW. I think I can hook up an 8-channel external preamp into the Apollo and use the on-board preamps simultaneously with the UAD affecting all of the 12 channels (recording drums for instance), right? I have also been wanting to mix out of the box from a console, but wanted to use plugins for EQ and compression. I should be able to hook this thing up as inserts, correct?
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at jrr shop it's 1940 € for the quad & 1550 € for the duo
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at jrr shop it's 1940 € for the quad & 1550 € for the duo
What is jrr shop? Is it an american store? In that case toll & VAT is added if you order from europe...

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