Universal Audio Apollo interface
#1681
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by Jason Rabbit View Post
Did you know that UA2192 is not using any capacitors?
Once Apollo used 1 capacitor, Apollo has no reason to sound like UA2192.
By the way, UA2192 is said it loses high freq and lose reverb.

Anyway, Why isn't there anybody who listened to Apollo yet?
I thought some of you have sneaked into factory or office of UA.
Some of you could have had some something with president’s secretary of UA.

I have to say I may be disappointed.
That's a misconception you know. All of these device use capacitors. Some circuits use capacitors in the actual signal path to block DC. Some use them in the signal path as band pass filters or roll-offs. It is generally thought that this degrades signal. If done improperly it absolutely can. Some circuits can pull it off without much detriment. Some cicuits use transformers to block DC. This increases distortion and introduces non-linearity of its' own, but it's generally pleasing harmonic distortion so we applaud it rather than sneer.

This does not concern capacitors elsewhere in the circuit, especially power filtering capacitors which are not only present in abundance, but the larger and more there are the smoother the power and the more robust the devices performance.

Capacitors do not equate to bad sound...even when in the signal path.

Terms like "class a" "no op-amps" "no capacitors" "high voltage rails" are usually about as meaningful as the term "cd quality".

They are great for marketing to ignorant consumers but they don't even begin to tell the story of the product design or performance.
#1682
6th March 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Rabbit View Post
Did you know that UA2192 is not using any capacitors?
Once Apollo used 1 capacitor, Apollo has no reason to sound like UA2192.
By the way, UA2192 is said it loses high freq and lose reverb.

Anyway, Why isn't there anybody who listened to Apollo yet?
I thought some of you have sneaked into factory or office of UA.
Some of you could have had some something with president’s secretary of UA.

I have to say I may be disappointed.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
Ok, sure you´re right, so, they are quite accurate, but it´s said they add "something" nice to the sound.

Listen guys... I have owned dozens of UA 2192's. I have used them to record hundreds of projects (some Grammy nominated, and winning).

Who is this person that you are referring to when you say "it is said"?? Because both of the things you are saying are utter nonsense!!! I know GS has become a place where people simply read and regurgitate without any actual hands on knowledge of the gear they are talking about it...... but if you think that's me.... Google me. It's not.

I stand by what I originally said about the 2192. I was told by a UA employee, the Apollo will lack the class a analog section of the 2192 (for obvious cost reasons), but that the converters are actually a step up.

Once again, please keep in mind... converters are the actual device that turn Voltages (how audio travels in analog after being created by a transducer-----a microphone) and amplified (by what most call a preamplifier) into Pulse Code Modulation (the digital code that computers and other digital audio devices can understand). These devices are usually built second party and how well they sound/work depends on a great many variables. Like... the analog path to and from, and most importantly how they are clocked, etc..

So... if you prefer to get your info from someone passing along urban legend that they read on a forum somewhere from someone who read it on another forum somewhere, and so on, and so on, and so on... then ok. Or... you can take it from people that have actually used the 2192.

Your choice....
#1683
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by crypticglobe View Post

Once again, please keep in mind... converters are the actual device that turn Voltages (how audio travels in analog after being created by a transducer-----a microphone) and amplified (by what most call a preamplifier) into Pulse Code Modulation (the digital code that computers and other digital audio devices can understand). These devices are usually built second party and how well they sound/work depends on a great many variables. Like... the analog path to and from, and most importantly how they are clocked, etc..

So... if you prefer to get your info from someone passing along urban legend that they read on a forum somewhere from someone who read it on another forum somewhere, and so on, and so on, and so on... then ok. Or... you can take it from people that have actually used the 2192.
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#1684
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by Billy Buck View Post
There you have it, the Thunderbolt I/O interface for the Apollo was co-developed with Intel (not BLA or some OEM nonsense) and has true Thunderbolt speed capabilities. Intel developed Thunderbolt, so who better for UA to partner with than with the actual company that created it.

Cheers,

Billy Buck
What part of getting high on the vapour and speculating didn't you understand ?

Until the recent furore over the remarks made by BLA , AU were remaining pretty quiet over who developed the actual TB controller. So now we have 2 totally conflicting reports about TB controller development and personally I couldn't care less either way , to me its all vapour until we get it in our hands and we can test in Real World environments.

BTW: Just because its native TB ( External PCIe) doesn't guarantee anything , much the same way using a native PCIe card doesn't guarantee good performance , it will come down to the quality of the controller implementation and the drivers.

Lets hope UA deliver.

As to the rest of the ongoing hyperventilation... as you were.
#1685
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by TAFKAT View Post
What part of getting high on the vapour and speculating didn't you understand ?

Until the recent furore over the remarks made by BLA , AU were remaining pretty quiet over who developed the actual TB controller. So now we have 2 totally conflicting reports about TB controller development and personally I couldn't care less either way , to me its all vapour until we get it in our hands and we can test in Real World environments.

BTW: Just because its native TB ( External PCIe) doesn't guarantee anything , much the same way using a native PCIe card doesn't guarantee good performance , it will come down to the quality of the controller implementation and the drivers.

Lets hope UA deliver.

As to the rest of the ongoing hyperventilation... as you were.
What are you talking about?.. The week of the NAMM show they had an INTEL REPRESENTATIVE speak at the Universal Audio booth about the Apollo and the Thunderbolt connection/card... They have video of this on youtube... Everyone who actually did research on the Apollo knew Universal Audio partnered with Intel (creators of Thunderbolt) to develop the Thunderbolt connection for the Apollo the week of the NAMM show when it was announced! It wasn't that they were quite, you just weren't listening!

Here's the video posted Jan. 20th 2012 where Dave Salvator, Senior Communications Manager for Intel talks about the UA/Intel collaboration on the Apollo (11:14 mark)...
Namm 2012 UA Universal Audio Apollo by Rock oN Report - YouTube
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6th March 2012
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What are you talking about? Where do you get you info from?... The week of the NAMM show they had an INTEL REPRESENTATIVE speak at the Universal Audio booth about the Apollo and the Thunderbolt connection/card... They have video of this on youtube... Do I have to post it for you. I and everyone who actually did research on the Apollo knew Universal Audio partnered with Intel (creators of Thunderbolt) to develop the Thunderbolt connection for the Apollo!

Here's the video posted Jan. 20th 2012 where Dave Salvator, Senior Communications Manager for Intel talks about the UA/Intel collaboration on the Apollo (11:14 mark)...
Namm 2012 UA Universal Audio Apollo by Rock oN Report - YouTube
Don't get sucked in. Tafkat is anit-Thunderbolt and still mad at apple for a year of exclusivity. He constantly rails about it in many, many threads. That's his theme song.
#1687
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by IAMCRISIS View Post
What are you talking about? Where do you get you info from?... The week of the NAMM show they had an INTEL REPRESENTATIVE speak at the Universal Audio booth about the Apollo and the Thunderbolt connection/card... They have video of this on youtube... Do I have to post it for you. I and everyone who actually did research on the Apollo knew Universal Audio partnered with Intel (creators of Thunderbolt) to develop the Thunderbolt connection for the Apollo!

Here's the video posted Jan. 20th 2012 where Dave Salvator, Senior Communications Manager for Intel talks about the UA/Intel collaboration on the Apollo (11:14 mark)...
Namm 2012 UA Universal Audio Apollo by Rock oN Report - YouTube
Research?? The only research you did was what AU gave you!! You make it sound like you got your hands on one and used the TB Card... Or that you interviewed the designers, engineers at AU.. Maybe talked to Intel engineers personally... Maybe you got ahold of the Chinese factory!!?? Did you talk to someone who used one for a month??
You did NO research, you watched videos..
I personally hope the Apollo rocks. But you did as much research as anyone on here!!
#1688
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by DR Music View Post
Research?? The only research you did was what AU gave you!! You make it sound like you got your hands on one and used the TB Card... Or that you interviewed the designers, engineers at AU.. Maybe talked to Intel engineers personally... Maybe you got ahold of the Chinese factory!!?? Did you talk to someone who used one for a month??
You did NO research, you watched videos..
I personally hope the Apollo rocks. But you did as much research as anyone on here!!
Tell em' why you mad son!.... LoL! I made it sound the way I typed it. No other way! And apparently I "watched more videos" then most of the people on here... Don't get mad at me because someone is saying something that isn't true at all and I'm correcting them. I'm talking to the same people that keep typing AU instead of UA... But seriously, the last time I checked searching for info is called doing research which includes watching the videos that were posted regardless of the amount of info given. Some of you are asking questions that were already answered by those videos. So if you watched them and didn't get answers or the correct info out of them then it sucks to be you... At the end of the day, buy one LIKE I DID and see for your self how it sounds/performs or wait till a big record is recorded and mixed using the Apollo... Then you can run out and go buy one... Don't worry, in about 2 weeks I'll be getting my Apollo quad shipped to me and the non believers can keep speculating about it. I'll post something to talk about.
#1689
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by crypticglobe View Post
I was told by a UA employee, the Apollo will lack the class a analog section of the 2192 (for obvious cost reasons), but that the converters are actually a step up.
Hello, please allow me asking a question.
Did the UA employee tell you that APOLLO AD/DA sounds better than 2192 AD/DA?
#1690
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by IAMCRISIS View Post

or wait till a big record is recorded and mixed using the Apollo... Then you can run out and go buy one...
So you think because a "big record" is recorded with a certain Interface everyone will have the similar results?
Then go get a 003, mbox, or a 96 i/o, because it's been done.. dream land
iPhone spell check..AU / UA.

I know the Apollo won't help improve anything other than your studio's looks and i/o. Talent, Persistence and Hard work will !! And investing a couple grand in Acoustic treatment will help you a bit too..

If I want an Apollo I'll get one. My Desk was $2000.
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I've researched UA aswell...!!
#1691
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by DR Music View Post
So you think because a "big record" is recorded with a certain Interface everyone will have the similar results?
Then go get a 003, mbox, or a 96 i/o, because it's been done.. dream land
iPhone spell check..AU / UA.

I know the Apollo won't help improve anything other than your studio's looks and i/o. Talent, Persistence and Hard work will !! And investing a couple grand in Acoustic treatment will help you a bit too..

If I want an Apollo I'll get one. My Desk was $2000.
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-1176
-UAD-2 Duo and Quad with 10 Plugs.
I've researched UA aswell...!!
Buy it... Don't buy it... It's up to you. But if your going to talk about it, be about it. And no, I don't think because a "big record" is recorded/mixed with the Apollo, people will be able to get the same results. Everyones ears and engineering skills are different... But it seems like some of the people on this site base their purchases off of some one else's accomplishments on that piece of gear instead of just taking a gamble to see for them selves. And theres also people that apparently rely more on their gear and room more then their drive and skills on here. Not saying you, but it's apparent in some of the comments posted on this site. If the shoe doesn't fit.... But you do sound obsessed with "treatment" though... LoL... I'll pull out my old G4 and digi001 from the closet in my bedroom and still get a good mix... That's how confident I am in my skills! My studio sounds better then a lot of studios I've been to. Them songs/mixes that you said sound good where mixed in that room that for some reason you think needs a bunch of treatment. If you owned all of those pieces, then that's what's up brother... I own the Apollo now (just hasn't been shipped to me yet ) If I had all them pieces you say you owned I would still own them. They're all keepers! I'll have an extra quad Satellite with ALL of the UAD plugins to go along with my Apollo quad in 2 weeks and if you did your research then you know about the power & quality of UAD plugins.... I'll fill you in on the Apollo!

I'm more worried about if when I experiment with different plugins like the SSL or Neve plugins to track, can I get that tone you would get tracking through one of those boards (which I've heard both in person before) by just having the plugins on the track flat (maybe some tweaking). If you can...
#1692
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by IAMCRISIS View Post
What are you talking about?..
Better question is what are you hyperventilating about ?

The Intel rep barely managed to get a word in, and nothing was confirmed on that video about a joint development of the controller !

You're so high on the vapour its further blurring your pin width view.

Go back to the Zombie Comics, its more your level.. !

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Originally Posted by work2do
Don't get sucked in. Tafkat is anit-Thunderbolt and still mad at apple for a year of exclusivity. He constantly rails about it in many, many threads.
Yeh you got me, Apples year of exclusivity has been so beneficial for all involved , and TB has been so influential that I am seething at missing out on the game change.

#1693
6th March 2012
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LOL, is that you talking or the spin from the reps.. ?
tigerblood!


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6th March 2012
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winning!
I win a Apollo?! awesome. thanks
#1695
6th March 2012
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Originally Posted by IAMCRISIS View Post
Buy it... Don't buy it... It's up to you. But if your going to talk about it, be about it. And no, I don't think because a "big record" is recorded/mixed with the Apollo, people will be able to get the same results. Everyones ears and engineering skills are different... But it seems like some of the people on this site base their purchases off of some one else's accomplishments on that piece of gear instead of just taking a gamble to see for them selves. And theres also people that apparently rely more on their gear and room more then their drive and skills on here. Not saying you, but it's apparent in some of the comments posted on this site. If the shoe doesn't fit.... But you do sound obsessed with "treatment" though... LoL... I'll pull out my old G4 and digi001 from the closet in my bedroom and still get a good mix... That's how confident I am in my skills! My studio sounds better then a lot of studios I've been to. Them songs/mixes that you said sound good where mixed in that room that for some reason you think needs a bunch of treatment. If you owned all of those pieces, then that's what's up brother... I own the Apollo now (just hasn't been shipped to me yet ) If I had all them pieces you say you owned I would still own them. They're all keepers! I'll have an extra quad Satellite with ALL of the UAD plugins to go along with my Apollo quad in 2 weeks and if you did your research then you know about the power & quality of UAD plugins.... I'll fill you in on the Apollo!

I'm more worried about if when I experiment with different plugins like the SSL or Neve plugins to track, can I get that tone you would get tracking through one of those boards (which I've heard both in person before) by just having the plugins on the track flat (maybe some tweaking). If you can...

#1696
6th March 2012
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About the Apollo's AD/DA conversion quality??
Someone had the opportunity to test it?
UA Apollo vs Protools HDs old ones(not HDX).
Thanks
#1697
6th March 2012
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Am I the only one who thinks the Apollo is too big?
I love the idea, but it's sized to go on a rack in studios where we already have big powerful computers. It also strikes me that people needing something with as much I/O as the Apollo likely already have lots of quality outboard gear which makes me further question that the Apollo is too big.

I'd like to see one that is Duet or Mbox sized so that we can use them in a mobile rig with laptops (especially Macbook Air!) Seems like the smaller laptops are what would benefit MOST from the onboard DSP processing. This would be incredibly beneficial to the project studio/singer songwriter crowd who is actually on a budget and looking for bang for the buck studio tools.

I'd love to see preamp modeling too ala Liquid Channel or Metric Halo Character.

A smaller Apollo ala ICARUS? would be amazing for a small portable rig where lots of guys like me are looking for one great interface and one great mic to do the job.
#1698
6th March 2012
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Funny, I actually thought the opposite about size - I thought, with UA's analog heritage, that a 2RU box would seem more "legit" but I see what you're saying.

In regards to the TB card... strikes me a little odd that it "was" co-developed with Intel but then there is no set date for release or price... like maybe it's more "being" developed with Intel as opposed to already done? Just would make me a little nervous if I was counting on TB but I think this early in the crossover few of us would be.
#1699
6th March 2012
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Funny, I actually thought the opposite about size - I thought, with UA's analog heritage, that a 2RU box would seem more "legit" but I see what you're saying.

In regards to the TB card... strikes me a little odd that it "was" co-developed with Intel but then there is no set date for release or price... like maybe it's more "being" developed with Intel as opposed to already done? Just would make me a little nervous if I was counting on TB but I think this early in the crossover few of us would be.
+1 on the 2U size!
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6th March 2012
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+1 on the 2U size!
I wish it was 2U too. It's too big to haul around and if you did, you would not be "trippin" off of it being 2U anyways.
#1701
6th March 2012
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How about a 2u 24in 24out, featuring 4 headphone outs? Option of straight line input with AD conversion or AES digital in / out, bring your own converters...

A super mobile 2in 2out would be good for some people I'm sure, but personally I'm interested in the bigger picture. 2 Apollos pretty much gets me where I want when daisy chains can eventually happen..
#1702
6th March 2012
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I was told "this is the FIRST interface" as in there will be more...

Maybe even one with moving faders????

G
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6th March 2012
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I was told "this is the FIRST interface" as in there will be more...

Maybe even one with moving faders????

G
I know I'd pay $1000-1500 for a 2 preamp mobile unit to use with a Macbook Air. I want Thunderbolt though to leave the USB ports open for a keyboard and external HD. Im curious as to what the TB expansion will cost on the Apollo. UA will really be pulling the wool over our heads if it really is $500 for that upgrade.
#1704
7th March 2012
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I was told "this is the FIRST interface" as in there will be more...

Maybe even one with moving faders????

G
Yes, please someone do this... mixer / controller version of Apollo, ULN8, UFX, would be my dream. In this case, smaller is better, something like 8-12 + 1 faders. About 4 aux sends, built in monitor controller with talkback...
#1705
7th March 2012
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I just picked up my Apollo from the store, so this Hoodie Guy came up to me sportin' a 44 magnum, and said "Make My Day". I said I gotta Appolo, and he says, man I'm not going to da moon. I said "Well you could if you had da Apollo!". So he snatched it from my greasy hands and took off flight. It was amazin' to watch, with the Apollo in hand he shot into the sky and lighting bolts shot from the Thunderbolt port. Man, I wish I had a video camera.

Wow, dat Apollo is sum magic shdt!

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7th March 2012
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Better question is what are you hyperventilating about ?

The Intel rep barely managed to get a word in, and nothing was confirmed on that video about a joint development of the controller !

You're so high on the vapour its further blurring your pin width view.

Go back to the Zombie Comics, its more your level.. !



Yeh you got me, Apples year of exclusivity has been so beneficial for all involved , and TB has been so influential that I am seething at missing out on the game change.

SMH! Your delirious from the vapors coming from the BS your talking! My level is not being a little "biotch" and complaining, crying and negatively speculating on something I don't know nothing about and don't plan on buying at all. My level is taking gambles with gear even if it's new and nothing is known about it to try and get the best sound for my music and the artists I work with. Cry babies like you will never reach A LEVEL let alone my level! Why would a top executive for Intel talk at all let a lone for a few minutes at the Universal Audio booth for the Apollo about Thunderbolt? And did you not read the quote directly from Universal Audio which said "To be 100% clear, Apollo's Thunderbolt I/O card was co-developed with Intel, and is absolutely providing "true" Thunderbolt.". Your that much in denial huh? It's obvious my level is far above your stupid a... Keep crying and speculating like a woman in denial. I'll give you something to cry more about in 2 weeks when I get my Apollo... Here's something to listen to until then...

Crisis - Get Well Soon Feat. Official Tee (Prod. By Crisis)
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#1707
7th March 2012
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Why would a top executive for Intel talk at all let a lone for a few minutes at the Universal Audio booth for the Apollo about Thunderbolt? And did you not read the quote directly from Universal Audio which said "To be 100% clear, Apollo's Thunderbolt I/O card was co-developed with Intel, and is absolutely providing "true" Thunderbolt.".
Go back and read my posts again you hyperventilating twit , I never mentioned anything about doubting that the UA controller was anything but a true TB interconnect, in fact I clearly stated they wouldn't be that stupid to provide otherwise, so point your infantile froth elsewhere.

Also anyone developing for TB has to directly liaise with Intel's development team as Intel are providing the chip , that doesn't guarantee squat in regards to performance for Pro Audio.

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I'll give you something to cry more about in 2 weeks when I get my Apollo


So you going to have that TB card slotted in and ready to roll ?

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Here's something to listen to until then...
You have got to be kidding me !

Stick with the zombies... LOL

#1708
7th March 2012
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Thomann got some in stock!!!
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7th March 2012
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Hey, I think the speculation machine needs a nap. Whether on either side of the boundaries for or against, ua, other folks on this forum, or what else you are seeing as an enemy it's probably best to take a nap and talk about this when fully rested. Perhaps then we will make better judgments and stop playing ego size games.

Because this probably won't happen those of us who agree and want to engage a dialogue that helps us, we will need to start a new forum when we get ours hands and ears to work with the apollo so we can make honest criticisms and praise when it's deserved.
Also I posted on ua's Facebook saying that there has been a lot of talk about the converters in the Apollo describing it as having the same converters as other products of theirs and asking them to let us know if thats true and if so which one, and if not how they are similar and different. The question was shortly thereafter deleted. :(
#1710
7th March 2012
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Thomann got some in stock!!!
... No they haven't.

My preorder is with Thomann, in fact they've changed their date of stock due from tomorrow to the 19th!
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