Universal Audio Apollo interface
#1381
20th February 2012
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It's easy. I was walking about Firewire and USB scheduling. You were talking about PCIe. You don't know if Thunderbolt is going to work better for audio, because you haven't tried it. It would be great if it were. It looks good on paper. But then again, so Firewire and USB look great on paper, too, but the reality is very different.
#1382
20th February 2012
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Sure, BUT thunderbolt IS PCIe. So
If you're happy with the way PCIe performs, what's the issue?
#1383
20th February 2012
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So you're taking issue with someone wanting to see it before they believe it, because you want to believe it before you've seen it?
#1384
20th February 2012
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Absolutely not, if it's not PCIe and the specs lie... Not cool. Why would they lie? Nothing has ever been marketed as actually being PCIe before... Apart from expresscard, and... That is a few lanes of PCIe, not as many as thunderbolt. It performed as advertised.

If it's PCIe, it's PCIe. No? Everything I've read so far indicates it's so!

In any event, no thunderbolt on Apollo until Summer.

I too would like to see it in action, but you can't compare thunderbolt to FireWire or USB. They are protocols that connect to the PCI bus. Not PCI or PCIe themselves. They haven't even hit the latency / speed figures
of the PCI included in 486 machines (133MB/sec) - as the UAD1 was.
#1385
21st February 2012
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UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
#1386
21st February 2012
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im gona go back and re read this thread while im waiting
#1387
21st February 2012
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Originally Posted by DIGI ENT View Post
UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
Nova Musik told me "The ETA is sometime this summer." when i asked about preordering. That may mean nothing if there are priority vendors getting initial shipments etc.
#1388
21st February 2012
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i know we haven't had a chance to use the unit and no one has one but scientific answer only please ... functionality aside ..how do you think this will sound vs a bla sig. mod. 002
#1389
21st February 2012
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i know we haven't had a chance to use the unit and no one has one but scientific answer only please ... functionality aside ..how do you think this will sound vs a bla sig. mod. 002
Eleventy % more betters.
#1390
21st February 2012
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Eleventy % more betters.
science please kind sir!
#1391
21st February 2012
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science please kind sir!
Oh you are serious? You are asking how we think a unit not in production will sound based on our scientific data? Science can't even determine a ship date at this point.

If you are asking me to speculate then i should hope a current production UA converter and preamp sounds better than a modded 10 year+ old product.
#1392
21st February 2012
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Oh you are serious? You are asking how we think a unit not in production will sound based on our scientific data? Science can't even determine a ship date at this point.

If you are asking me to speculate then i should hope a current production UA converter and preamp sounds better than a modded 10 year+ old product.
yea sorry.. but i have an old g5, 002 and rosetta with tons of plugs that i like.. an old dead 002 that i was completely sold on sending in ..then i started to look at the ufx and then....well you know ...i mean really my mind is made up on the ollo with my macbook then ill get a mac pro ..but i just had to ask
#1393
21st February 2012
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That could be the new awesome interface ! Looking forward to it.
#1394
21st February 2012
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Quote:
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UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
any source on this? I'm sort of waiting for some reviews before i take the plunge (got some other purchases on the table first too)
#1395
21st February 2012
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" 4-710D + UAD dsp = Apollo. "

That's UA sales man told me.
#1396
21st February 2012
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" 4-710D + UAD dsp = Apollo. "

That's UA sales man told me.
would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
#1397
21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
According to UA, 410d converters, UAD processing. Plain jane solid state preamps (presuming it's the same as the SS pres in 410d, though that hasn't been confirmed by UA.) This has been repeated several times in this thread. There's another thread about the Apollo vs. 410d too.

Even if it doesn't sound exactly the same, it is the same in function as a 410d with UAD processing.
#1398
21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..

Wouldn't be the 4-710d converters. Specs are waayyyyy off the Apollo. The preamps could be what you described, however ....
#1399
21st February 2012
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Wouldn't be the 4-710d converters. Specs are waayyyyy off the Apollo. The preamps could be what you described, however ....
Interesting if the specs differ. UA staff at NAMM was clearly promoting the Apollo as having the same converters as 410d. I asked explicitly.
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21st February 2012
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Interesting if the specs differ. UA staff at NAMM was clearly promoting the Apollo as having the same converters as 410d. I asked explicitly.
Yes, they're much different. Both of the manuals are available on the UA website. Download them when you can and take a look at the AD/DA sections. Those specs come from the chip. Nothing to do with the analog chain before/after.

I think UA is simply telling people whatever it is that they want to hear at this point. UA has stated over and over that they do not disclose information about parts/manufacturers that make up the internals of their products. If UA stands behind the conversion in the 4-710d, they might tell you it sounds "as good", or "similar". However, I don't think you're going to get a chipset number of anyone at Universal Audio. Especially pre-release.
#1401
21st February 2012
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This in conjunction with the 4710D for extra mic pres would be SUPER cool.. for a middle of the road guy like myself!
what "middle of the road guy" means?
#1402
21st February 2012
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Yes, they're much different. Both of the manuals are available on the UA website. Download them when you can and take a look at the AD/DA sections. Those specs come from the chip. Nothing to do with the analog chain before/after.

I think UA is simply telling people whatever it is that they want to hear at this point. UA has stated over and over that they do not disclose information about parts/manufacturers that make up the internals of their products. If UA stands behind the conversion in the 4-710d, they might tell you it sounds "as good", or "similar". However, I don't think you're going to get a chipset number of anyone at Universal Audio. Especially pre-release.
and in your opinion , is this good or bad? i mean having 4710 aspects
#1403
21st February 2012
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what "middle of the road guy" means?
I assume he means slightly higher end than a bedroom dabbler, but not a professional.
#1404
21st February 2012
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if this thing sounds better than the ensemble ,i am in ......you know ensemble is 10 years old tech and sound fantastic .....having in mind this; and taking in consideration that we are talking UA here,,,,,this thing with an API 3124 should rock pretty hard....

Last edited by Jimmy kiddo; 21st February 2012 at 06:01 PM.. Reason: bad grammar
#1405
21st February 2012
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if anybody can't make a good record with this ..... i don't know
#1406
21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
Yes, exactly.
Apollo's AD/DA quality(&character) is as good(or bad?) as 4-710D.
I don't know how good 4-710D's AD/DA is.
#1407
21st February 2012
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if this thing sounds better than the ensemble ,i am in ......you know ensemble is 10 years old tech and sound fantastic .....having in mind this; and taking in consideration that we are talking UA here,,,,,this thing with an API 3124 should rock pretty hard....
I had the ensemble for a year, bought a ProFire2626 kept the pf2626 and bought another PF2626! Very disappointed with the Ensemble! My opinion.
Yes the apollo will sound better then the Emsemble!!
#1408
21st February 2012
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if this thing sounds better than the ensemble ,i am in ......you know ensemble is 10 years old tech and sound fantastic .....having in mind this; and taking in consideration that we are talking UA here,,,,,this thing with an API 3124 should rock pretty hard....
well...i have seen profesionals with a sm 57 and a digi 001 making wonders
#1409
21st February 2012
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I assume he means slightly higher end than a bedroom dabbler, but not a professional.
well...i have seen profesionals with a sm 57 and a digi 001 making wonders
#1410
21st February 2012
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well...i have seen profesionals with a sm 57 and a digi 001 making wonders
Yes sir!! Talentand and professionalism is key..
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