Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 10th February 2012
  #1231
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Hey Guys, I have been reading Gearslutz for a couple of years. Just finally got around to sign up.
I have been using FF800 since.. I think 2004. I got rid of my TDM rig when HD came out.
I got Uad 1 cards in my old G5... and really miss the plugz. got an IMAC to get LOgic 9 running. pretty happy.. except when I load Ni instruments..... Anyways.
I'm almost ready to order. I wish it ad the I/O capacities of the RME interface, but I talked to the UA guy and he mentioned I will be able to run multiple units. that would solve that problem ( at a pretty hefty price)
I love the fact that whatever system I work on I would be able to use the ua stuff, and have a decent Interface on top of that. My only question at this point is.... Is the interface true TB , or is it still Firewire 800, just with a Thunderbolt connector.
thanks for you input.
Old 10th February 2012
  #1232
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42 pages and still ticking

Wow, I've just read all 42 pages of this thread in one sitting! What a bunch a wacky scamps you guyz are.
Now I'm gonna use my power drill to open a few extra holes in my head, relieve the pressure.
First, I feel like picking a fight. Can you blame me?

YOU! YEAH, YOU!! How could you be so stupid as not to know that the FU-MF92 processor scams out on the logarithmic x/y variable at over 14x the WTF RU that you so laughably espouse? Moron?
There. Maybe I should google trepanning so I get some tips, do it right.

Couple things first. Congratulations if you've spent 2x 3x 4x+ the $$$ of an Apollo on premium hardware Pres and DACs and have something that you swear actually sounds better than this thing ever possibly could! Maybe I too should sink about 2k into a Symphony I/O card, stare at it till I have another 1700 for the box to put it in, look longingly at that till I can put 2 or 3k into maybe a two channel pre, pray 2 channels will do, and then remember I'll have to shell out another thou for a plugin setup like on the Apollo.
Or should I get the Apollo and hang out on an M-Audio thread, brag on my rig, tell them what a piece of crap the $500 Interface Looking Object they're lusting after really is? Compared to mine. Even if it's all they can afford. Even if they might be able to do more with it than I could ever dream of doing at Abbey Road. Ya never know.
And you couldn't even say this ain't no Swiss Army knife if there was, in fact, no such thing as a Swiss Army knife, which did not, in fact, exist until it was actually invented.

The Apollo could have a good this, a very good that and just a pretty good the other thing and still add up to very VERY good overall, aka more than the sum of its parts. When that happens: magic. Almost anything can be better than it has any right to be. A girlfriend, a car, a day, a song, a shiny piece of gear. If it never happened, we'd all be a lot more cynical than we even are.
There are people here with more serious knowledge in one toe than I have unto the xth generation of my ancestors but we share the same complete ignorance in judging what only the future will tell us. My 2 cents (x100000?) tells me this will I hope I hope I hope, have serious magic musicality.

ONE more thing. There's a sweet spot in spending money to accomplish a particular goal. If my goal is just to sound at least credibly professional, how much? 1k for an Mbox Pro 3? Maaaybe...not? If I go double on an Apollo, would I actually get more bang PER buck? Probably. If I go 4k, will I sound twice as good as on an Apollo? Hmmm. How bout I put a world class mike, say a U87 in front of it? If you're spending lots a dough on legendary shiny boxes, I sure hope you spend a lot MORE on great mikes, the best cables and killer monitors.
Otherwise, you're a collector. (Or the owner of a totally tricked out high end studio.)
And for some of you, intuitive ease of use is not an issue. Maybe you're smart and skilled and patient enough to fiddle your way to perfection. Good for you. I, however, is a very ignint man. Every time I get on the AUX/SPDF bus, I end up lost in some part of town I never seen before and has to walk allaway home. All by myself. At 4 in the morning. An I NEVER ask for directions. So if the Apollo has a recognizably simple analog feel to the workflow, then maybe I won't lose the moment because I don't know whether to cancel or okay some incomprehensible message from some piece of %$*& software that had me outgunned before I ever thought of firing it up.

Last thing. I seriously want to thank the many good willed people on here willing to share some part of their considerable expertise to shed light on... whatever the hell it was you were talking about. I could almost pretend to be a little less ignint, thanks to you. So. Thank you. Now go take a walk!

Q: My Symphony I/O did not include installed rubber feet.
A: As of April 2011, Symphony I/O will no longer ship with rubber feet. Customers worldwide may request rubber feet for their unit by contacting Apogee Technical Support.
...I spent 1700 (plus 2000 per module) and I gotta ask special for the %@#%$ rubber feet???
Pretty please, can I have some rubber feet? That just seems wrong. Baddabing, gottago.
Old 10th February 2012
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I wonder how good a well written and well performed song will sound through the Apollo.
Old 10th February 2012
  #1234
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87.3% as good as it would through a Orpheus..... I checked.
Old 10th February 2012
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87.3% as good as it would through a Orpheus..... I checked.
lol
Old 10th February 2012
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87.3% as good as it would through a Orpheus..... I checked.
Yes but is your room treated?
Old 10th February 2012
  #1237
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My Music Goodness Measuring tool has a correction factor for my room treatment. Before the correction, the Apollo sounded 83% as good as the Orpheus.
Old 10th February 2012
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I wonder how good a well written and well performed song will sound through the Apollo.
Lol I get what you did here. It will sound just the same. We really should stop obsessing over gear and get back to making music.
Old 10th February 2012
  #1239
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My Music Goodness Measuring tool has a correction factor for my room treatment. Before the correction, the Apollo sounded 83% as good as the Orpheus.
What converters are you using for this tool?
Old 10th February 2012
  #1240
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Originally Posted by miscend View Post
Lol I get what you did here. It will sound just the same. We really should stop obsessing over gear and get back to making music.
I dunno... when I'm choosing a studio to record in, should I go with an engineer who has carefully chosen the best gear he can afford, or a dude who says, "Hey, bring me a good song--it'll sound the same no matter what I do."

Sure, great records start with great songs and great performances. But at some point, *someone* also obsessed over the gear.

-James
Old 10th February 2012
  #1241
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Originally Posted by jnashguitar View Post
Sure, great records start with great songs and great performances. But at some point, *someone* also obsessed over the gear.
...and I think to myself, what a wunnerful whirl
Old 10th February 2012
  #1242
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Originally Posted by synthdogg View Post
You make an ass out of you and Ming?
Ming would not appreciate that!

Old 11th February 2012
  #1243
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Originally Posted by Nathanz View Post
Wow, I've just read all 42 pages of this thread in one sitting! What a bunch a wacky scamps you guyz are.
Now I'm gonna use my power drill to open a few extra holes in my head, relieve the pressure.
First, I feel like picking a fight. Can you blame me?

YOU! YEAH, YOU!! How could you be so stupid as not to know that the FU-MF92 processor scams out on the logarithmic x/y variable at over 14x the WTF RU that you so laughably espouse? Moron?
There. Maybe I should google trepanning so I get some tips, do it right.

Couple things first. Congratulations if you've spent 2x 3x 4x+ the $$$ of an Apollo on premium hardware Pres and DACs and have something that you swear actually sounds better than this thing ever possibly could! Maybe I too should sink about 2k into a Symphony I/O card, stare at it till I have another 1700 for the box to put it in, look longingly at that till I can put 2 or 3k into maybe a two channel pre, pray 2 channels will do, and then remember I'll have to shell out another thou for a plugin setup like on the Apollo.
Or should I get the Apollo and hang out on an M-Audio thread, brag on my rig, tell them what a piece of crap the $500 Interface Looking Object they're lusting after really is? Compared to mine. Even if it's all they can afford. Even if they might be able to do more with it than I could ever dream of doing at Abbey Road. Ya never know.
And you couldn't even say this ain't no Swiss Army knife if there was, in fact, no such thing as a Swiss Army knife, which did not, in fact, exist until it was actually invented.

The Apollo could have a good this, a very good that and just a pretty good the other thing and still add up to very VERY good overall, aka more than the sum of its parts. When that happens: magic. Almost anything can be better than it has any right to be. A girlfriend, a car, a day, a song, a shiny piece of gear. If it never happened, we'd all be a lot more cynical than we even are.
There are people here with more serious knowledge in one toe than I have unto the xth generation of my ancestors but we share the same complete ignorance in judging what only the future will tell us. My 2 cents (x100000?) tells me this will I hope I hope I hope, have serious magic musicality.

ONE more thing. There's a sweet spot in spending money to accomplish a particular goal. If my goal is just to sound at least credibly professional, how much? 1k for an Mbox Pro 3? Maaaybe...not? If I go double on an Apollo, would I actually get more bang PER buck? Probably. If I go 4k, will I sound twice as good as on an Apollo? Hmmm. How bout I put a world class mike, say a U87 in front of it? If you're spending lots a dough on legendary shiny boxes, I sure hope you spend a lot MORE on great mikes, the best cables and killer monitors.
Otherwise, you're a collector. (Or the owner of a totally tricked out high end studio.)
And for some of you, intuitive ease of use is not an issue. Maybe you're smart and skilled and patient enough to fiddle your way to perfection. Good for you. I, however, is a very ignint man. Every time I get on the AUX/SPDF bus, I end up lost in some part of town I never seen before and has to walk allaway home. All by myself. At 4 in the morning. An I NEVER ask for directions. So if the Apollo has a recognizably simple analog feel to the workflow, then maybe I won't lose the moment because I don't know whether to cancel or okay some incomprehensible message from some piece of %$*& software that had me outgunned before I ever thought of firing it up.

Last thing. I seriously want to thank the many good willed people on here willing to share some part of their considerable expertise to shed light on... whatever the hell it was you were talking about. I could almost pretend to be a little less ignint, thanks to you. So. Thank you. Now go take a walk!

Q: My Symphony I/O did not include installed rubber feet.
A: As of April 2011, Symphony I/O will no longer ship with rubber feet. Customers worldwide may request rubber feet for their unit by contacting Apogee Technical Support.
...I spent 1700 (plus 2000 per module) and I gotta ask special for the %@#%$ rubber feet???
Pretty please, can I have some rubber feet? That just seems wrong. Baddabing, gottago.
BADASS!
Old 11th February 2012
  #1244
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So, only four tracks of audio are available if sampled at 88.2 through ADAT to the Apollo?
Old 11th February 2012
  #1245
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No, still 8 tracks at 88.2kHz / 96kHz, as you would expect with 2xADAT inputs.

The issue is that you still only have access to 8 inputs, even at 44.1kHz/48kHz, as the other potential inputs are digital mirrors of the first 8.

A lot of people with larger tracking setups who use 44.1/48 would prefer to have access to more IO, which is completely agree with. Whether this is technically possible, i've no idea!
Old 11th February 2012
  #1246
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Cheap mic pres, poor converters, lots of shiny diodes and a lot of shebang around it. Surely a recipe for success.

But certainly not for pro sound.

This box can do everything, what as always means that it can't do anything best.

It won't attract serious clients nor bring the smile on mastering engineers' faces.

For home studios and travelling musicians will be enough. There's everything in it to record an idea.

But for studios - no freaking way it would beat for instance Apogee AD16x soundwise.

Cheap chinese recent UA's mic pres are really poor. Not even close to the great 6176.

So why are they calling it a milestone and stuff? Because they have to
I'm interested in this product and looking for unbiased opinion. I would like to know how you could come to this conclusion. Based on the actual usage of this unit, or speculation based on the experience with the other UAD hardwares? Thanks,
Old 11th February 2012
  #1247
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No, still 8 tracks at 88.2kHz / 96kHz, as you would expect with 2xADAT inputs.

The issue is that you still only have access to 8 inputs, even at 44.1kHz/48kHz, as the other potential inputs are digital mirrors of the first 8.

A lot of people with larger tracking setups who use 44.1/48 would prefer to have access to more IO, which is completely agree with. Whether this is technically possible, i've no idea!
Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up!
Old 11th February 2012
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Originally Posted by euphoria89 View Post
No, still 8 tracks at 88.2kHz / 96kHz, as you would expect with 2xADAT inputs.

The issue is that you still only have access to 8 inputs, even at 44.1kHz/48kHz, as the other potential inputs are digital mirrors of the first 8.

A lot of people with larger tracking setups who use 44.1/48 would prefer to have access to more IO, which is completely agree with. Whether this is technically possible, i've no idea!
Agree, i need 10 tracks sometime to record my drums, so this unit is not for me......:(
Old 11th February 2012
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I'm interested in this product and looking for unbiased opinion. I would like to know how you could come to this conclusion. Based on the actual usage of this unit, or speculation based on the experience with the other UAD hardwares? Thanks,
The thing is, there is not a person on this message board that has tried the Apollo, so no one can give you the advice you seek. Also, considering UA has never made an interface before, there's really no point of reference.

If you like UA products, I'm sure you'd have a pretty good chance of enjoying the Apollo. But then again, who knows.
Old 11th February 2012
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Agree, i need 10 tracks sometime to record my drums, so this unit is not for me......:(
You have access to 8 analog I/O, and another 8 on ADAT, and another 2 on SPDIF. That's 18 channels simultaneously. Plenty for drums.
Old 11th February 2012
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You have access to 8 analog I/O, and another 8 on ADAT, and another 2 on SPDIF. That's 18 channels simultaneously. Plenty for drums.
All with the same converter ????
Old 11th February 2012
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All with the same converter ????
ADAT is a digital connection, so whatever comes through those channels will have already been converted by whatever device is feeding the ADAT connection.
Old 11th February 2012
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All with the same converter ????
Come on big bone....
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All with the same converter ????
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ADAT is a digital connection, so whatever comes through those channels will have already been converted by whatever device is feeding the ADAT connection.
This.

An example would be two UA 4-710d preamps patched into the Apollo via ADAT. That would give you 8 channels of preamp (the A/D conversion already happened on the 4-710d) on a digital IN. You would access this in Pro Tools under ADAT 1-8 in the I/O menu. You would still have access to all 8 analog I/O for use with external preamps, or also use the on-board preamps on the Apollo, plus four external preamps.

In addition, you could then patch a two channel preamp like an API A2D into the SPDIF coaxial input on the Apollo. Like the ADAT inputs, the SPDIF connection is digital, and the A/D conversion would happen on the API A2D. You would access this in Pro Tools under SPDIF 1-2 in the I/O menu. That's 18 Inputs total, at the same time.
Old 11th February 2012
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Come on big bone....
Oki i will be serious.....
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This.

An example would be two UA 4-710d preamps patched into the Apollo via ADAT. That would give you 8 channels of preamp (the A/D conversion already happened on the 4-710d) on a digital IN. You would access this in Pro Tools under ADAT 1-8 in the I/O menu. You would still have access to all 8 analog I/O for use with external preamps, or also use the on-board preamps on the Apollo, plus four external preamps.

In addition, you could then patch a two channel preamp like an API A2D into the SPDIF coaxial input on the Apollo. Like the ADAT inputs, the SPDIF connection is digital, and the A/D conversion would happen on the API A2D. You would access this in Pro Tools under SPDIF 1-2 in the I/O menu. That's 18 Inputs total, at the same time.
That will work, but you got a few converter on your way out....... that scare me.............
Old 11th February 2012
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That will work, but you got a few converter on your way out....... that scare me.............
Well, if you are using quality products it will not be an issue.

Another way of doing the same thing would be to use an external 8 channel converter that has an ADAT output. You could use Apogee, Burl, Prism, Lynx, Lavry, MyTek, ect. You could then patch in whatever external preamps you want (Neve, API, UA, GR, Chandler, ect..) into the analog inputs of your 8 channel converter, then patch that converter via ADAT into the Apollo. That way you would have 8 channels of Apollo conversion, and eight channels of whatever else you happen to like using.

Having multiple conversion sources is just a part of life in the studio. It's not always practical to have unlimited channels of the same conversion on tap. Especially when you're not working with a console.
Old 11th February 2012
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You could use Apogee, Burl, Prism, Lynx, Lavry, MyTek, ect. You could then patch in whatever external preamps you want (Neve, API, UA, GR, Chandler, ect..) into the analog inputs of your 8 channel converter, then patch that converter via ADAT into the Apollo. That way you would have 8 channels of Apollo conversion, and eight channels of whatever else you happen to like using.
That's what i'm planing to do maybe,but first i will try the Apollo by itself
with 4 EXT mic pre's and the 4 pre's on the Apollo and see what i could do with 8 mic. i'm doing it now and like it. ( the 8 mic )
Old 12th February 2012
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Someone please say something stupid, and fast !!

This thread is dying out...

Ok ok, I'll go first.

I think the Apollo is a piece of crap. Chuck Norris can feel sub-2ms latency... ?
Old 12th February 2012
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Someone please say something stupid, and fast !!

This thread is dying out...
Ok, a question, if i buy an extra converter with the Apollo how does the extra Adat show up in my daw? (cubase).

Just like extra i/o?
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