Universal Audio Apollo interface

[_Ludovico]

Originally Posted by Jimmy kiddo

Hey guys , I couldn't help but notice that the Apollo has no built in inserts with the preamps , does this mean that you are not able to use external gear? Like a compressor or eq? .....

Looks like you can't actually, if you want to use the Apollo's preamps.

One thing for sure, these preamps are made to be used exclusively with the plugins.

[_Ludovico]

Originally Posted by Jules

apologies if this has already been posted..

Nice, but no new info really...Just nice to see it in action.

to the guy in the front with the awsome incredulous yet interested look !

[climber]

Originally Posted by Jules

apologies if this has already been posted..

hadn't seen that one. very cool...

[bexarametric]

That demo really helped me out quite a bit.

[stakeoutstudios]

Sold. Want two.

[chrisjones]

"No latency... No latency... No latency... At all..."

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by chrisjones

"No latency... No latency... No latency... At all..."

Looks like the Apollo can time travel. Shame Einstein isnt here to see it.

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by _Ludovico

Looks like you can't actually, if you want to use the Apollo's preamps.

One thing for sure, these preamps are made to be used exclusively with the plugins.

Ithat is a limiting factor , insnt it ? Although you can always use a patchbay and work around. Am I right?

[DR Music]

Originally Posted by _Ludovico

Looks like you can't actually, if you want to use the Apollo's preamps.

One thing for sure, these preamps are made to be used exclusively with the plugins.

Just use your external pre's or dial in a the included 1176 plug. I don't think you necessarily need to use the mic pre's with plugs. But a little color isnt bad at all. These are clean pre's and I'm sure you can use then without plugs.
You can insert a compressor or eq after the fact, pretty easy to do.

[_Ludovico]

Originally Posted by Jimmy kiddo

Ithat is a limiting factor , insnt it ? Although you can always use a patchbay and work around. Am I right?

Not really. The fact is when you go in with the pre, there is no out, unless you're willing to send back the signal through an ouput and resend it inside the Apollo, thus using 2 inputs for one signal.

That is if you REALLY dig the Apollo's pres....

It's much less complicated like this:

There are NO physical inserts on the Apollo. You must either use your own preamps, patch a comp, eq, whatever, and go in through the line ins.

Originally Posted by DR Music

Just use your external pre's or dial in a the included 1176 plug. I don't think you necessarily need to use the mic pre's with plugs. But a little color isnt bad at all. These are clean pre's and I'm sure you can use then without plugs.
You can insert a compressor or eq after the fact, pretty easy to do.

That's not what I meant, I said if you use the Apollo preamps, you are bound to use plugins inside the machine if you want processing while tracking. You can't use the Apollo preamps and process them with external units, unless i'm missing something.

So in a tracking situation:

External preamps > to external processing > to Apollo line ins > to plugins if desired > to DAW

Or Apollo preamps > to plugins if desired > to DAW.

Or Apollo preamps > to plugins if desired > to output > to external processing > to Apollo line in > to plugins if desired > to DAW (<---------uses two inputs)

I don't think the Apollo pre's will be so great that you'll even consider the third option. Plus it will certainly induce latency, and is a much more complicated workflow.

Originally Posted by Jorg

Looks like the Apollo can time travel. Shame Einstein isnt here to see it.

They should definately stop claiming it has zero latency and should start saying zero PERCIEVABLE latency. Because we all know it's just false.

[isma]

Originally Posted by Jimmy kiddo

Ithat is a limiting factor , insnt it ? Although you can always use a patchbay and work around. Am I right?

Not really, most of the soundcard have transparent pres, like the UFX, symphony...

Then you're free to use external tube pres or plugs to color..

[DR Music]

Originally Posted by _Ludovico

Not really. The fact is when you go in with the pre, there is no out, unless you're willing to send back the signal through an ouput and resend it inside the Apollo, thus using 2 inputs for one signal.

That is if you REALLY dig the Apollo's pres....

It's much less complicated like this:

There are NO physical inserts on the Apollo. You must either use your own preamps, patch a comp, eq, whatever, and go in through the line ins.




That's not what I meant, I said if you use the Apollo preamps, you are bound to use plugins inside the machine if you want processing while tracking. You can't use the Apollo preamps and process them with external units, unless i'm missing something.

So in a tracking situation:

External preamps > to external processing > to Apollo line ins > to plugins if desired > to DAW

Or Apollo preamps > to plugins if desired > to DAW.

Or Apollo preamps > to plugins if desired > to output > to external processing > to Apollo line in > to plugins if desired > to DAW (<---------uses two inputs)

I don't think the Apollo pre's will be so great that you'll even consider the third option. Plus it will certainly induce latency, and is a much more complicated workflow.



They should definately stop claiming it has zero latency and should start saying zero PERCIEVABLE latency. Because we all know it's just false.

I see...

[jindrich]

It's not shown in the video, but I guess that when you insert a plugin on an input in the Apollo's mixer, you can route that ch directly to any desired output (and not just to the masters), so in fact it works just like a traditional fx processor?

If the above is correct, I'll get one just as such, don't mind the rest. With 8 inputs and 5 stereo outs (aren't the headphone outs also independently adressable?), it becomes a 5/7ch stereo processors, with insertable EMT 140,250, Lex224, Roland delays..etc, to mix the old way OTB with a console. That alone for just €2k is a bargain.

Hope the converters are decent?

[isma]

Nice video, although i think Fab had too many frogs for lunch that day...

[voidar]

Oh, I see it has a mirrored ADAT in/out. Would rather have 16 in/outs.

[DR Music]

Originally Posted by voidar

So you can't run the ADAT non S/MUX (44.1k or 48k)? I'd rather have 16 ADAT ins/out.

Good Question!!

[StoneinaPond]

Originally Posted by voidar

Oh, I see it has a mirrored ADAT in/out. Would rather have 16 in/outs.

From the manual:

The following behaviors apply to the ADAT ports:
• At sample rates of 44.1 kHz and 48 kHz, port 1 supports eight channels of I/O. Output 2 mirrors output
1, and input 2 is disabled.
• At sample rates of 88.2 kHz and 96 kHz, up to four channels of audio is routed per port (eight channels
total, when both ports are used).
• At sample rates of 176.4 kHz and 192 kHz, up to two channels of audio is routed per port (four
channels total, when both ports are used). Only four ADAT channels are supported at 176.4 kHz and
192 kHz.

[jeremy.c.]

Originally Posted by Jules

apologies if this has already been posted..

Hahah Oh man I can't watch the whole thing right now, but I was off to the right side somewhere during that whole demo... hope it didn't catch me on camera!

[StoneinaPond]

Originally Posted by jeremy.c.

...I was off to the right side somewhere during that whole demo...

When you do get the chance, it would be interesting to hear your impressions concerning the demo.

[microwave]

Originally Posted by StoneinaPond

From the manual:

The following behaviors apply to the ADAT ports:
• At sample rates of 44.1 kHz and 48 kHz, port 1 supports eight channels of I/O. Output 2 mirrors output
1, and input 2 is disabled.
• At sample rates of 88.2 kHz and 96 kHz, up to four channels of audio is routed per port (eight channels
total, when both ports are used).
• At sample rates of 176.4 kHz and 192 kHz, up to two channels of audio is routed per port (four
channels total, when both ports are used). Only four ADAT channels are supported at 176.4 kHz and
192 kHz.

I hope they will soon add the possibility of using both adat outs at 44.1 and 48. Since there are two sets of ports it would be silly not to able to use them to output an extra sixteen tracks to a console....

[DR Music]

Originally Posted by microwave

I hope they will soon add the possibility of using both adat outs at 44.1 and 48. Since there are two sets of ports it would be silly not to able to use them to output an extra sixteen tracks to a console....

+16

[p.pan]

Hi,

The Apollo have 4 Miks in, 8 analogs in, and 2 instr in.
14 analogs input
But he look like we cannot use all this inputs in the same time.
We are limited to 8.

Can somebody confirm????

[dbjp]

Originally Posted by p.pan

Hi,

The Apollo have 4 Miks in, 8 analogs in, and 2 instr in.
14 analogs input
But he look like we cannot use all this inputs in the same time.
We are limited to 8.

Can somebody confirm????

Yup.

[fantastic222]

Originally Posted by p.pan

Hi,

The Apollo have 4 Miks in, 8 analogs in, and 2 instr in.
14 analogs input
But he look like we cannot use all this inputs in the same time.
We are limited to 8.

Can somebody confirm????

8 simultaneous analog in (4 mic/4 line, 8 line, 2 DI/2 Mic/4 line, etc.)
8 ADAT
2 SPDIF

18 total simultaneous inputs.

[StoneinaPond]

Originally Posted by microwave

I hope they will soon add the possibility of using both adat outs at 44.1 and 48. Since there are two sets of ports it would be silly not to able to use them to output an extra sixteen tracks to a console....

I agree with your sentiment and I'm not an engineer (although I've been know to play one in my studio ) but something tells me that the need to implement S/MUX has some bearing on the issue.

[p.pan]

Thanks for your reply.

I would like to use all the 14 Inputs simutaneous.
I feel its a bit of waste........no?????

What do you think???

[voidar]

S/MUX might be the issue, but there is 10 year old hardware that had both implemented. It shouldn't be a hardware issue.

[chavernac]

some more info here:

[Red Baron]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
I guess, I get exactly the same sound using the same plug-ins on the way in (tracking) as adding them later, if I am wrong, please, tell me.

You're correct.. It's not like tracking with an analog EQ and/or comp since the audio will already be converted to digital. You can apply the effects at the mixing stage and get the same results.

Thanks Clonewar

[StoneinaPond]

Originally Posted by voidar

S/MUX might be the issue, but there is 10 year old hardware that had both implemented.

Care to share the product?

Thanks.