Tracking with plugs. How many of us track through the Anamod ATS1, HEDD processing, or distortion settings on the Distressor
? How many of us track vocals eq'd through a GML or Massive Passive
? Many. Same difference.
As others have pointed out...tracking through an analog processor is not the same thing as tracking through a digital processor (or plugin).
One of the advantages to this box...which had previously only been available in TDM systems and a few other high-end options...is that you can monitor through plugins without any perceptible latency, and then leave those same plugins up throughout your mix as if though you had tracked through them. But the advantage to a system like this is that you can
change them if you want to after tracking. There is no sonic advantage to tracking through them.
That's not to say there aren't valid reasons to...printing the effects before you send off to mix is one (although, again, you can always do that after tracking), or doing it on the front end if you know you'll run out of horsepower come mix time. But there's no sonic advantage, as there is with running through analog processors before A/D conversion.
I'm not getting why people are thinking it's dumb to track w plugs to 'tape'. the way i see this, it's the exact same as someone plugging a mic into a UA pre, going into any piece of out board gear or 500 series rack to a neve 1073
eq, into an 1176
compressor, and into the DAW.
Again...not the same as an analog processor at all. Once you're in the digital domain you can still have that same workflow, but then change things later if you want to...or if you screwed up plugin settings in tracking. If you set, say, your compressor wrong there's not much you can do to "fix" it afterwords, at least not without artifacts.
Another reason people track through hardware is that they only have a finite number of pieces...they may use, say, their 1176
on one source tracking, and on another mixing. Not really an issue with plugins.
why can they get under 2 ms. analog to dsp and back to analog in under 2 ms. with the apollo
when a person with the most powerfull mac pro can't get that with a uad-2
quad using pcie ? Sure would be nice to be able to get those latency figures with a uad-2
Because it's all happening before the audio hits the computer's processor...again, the same way TDM systems have done it for years.
It has been too much talk about the plugins, yeah yeah yeah we get it, you like your plugins, they're awesome... and like nothing on what kind of pres and ad/da is in it, almost, _almost_ trying to hide something. do i smell something fishy?
I don't think they're trying to hide anything. They said they were the best they could put together to hit their price point...until they're in the field what more can you expect?
This AD/DA had better sound better than symphony otherwise I don't buy!
Since the basic Apollo
is 8 channels of A/D and D/A conversion, plus four preamps, ADAT I/O, two processors, and a chassis, display, knobs and a power supply...and the same price as a Symphony card with only 8 channels of A/D and D/A conversion and ADAT I/Os, which needs a separate chassis with power supply and all those other bells and whistles...I wouldn't necessarily expect that to be the case. Although who knows? It's all speculation at this point.
I mean are they a brand new UA design or is it something they've used before?
Since all of UA's preamps have been tube and/or transformer based, and these are obviously neither, I'd wager than they are a brand new design, even if they do draw from existing models.
I think the problem with that will be each trip in and out will add additional latency. Maybe that is why they decided against inserts.
There is no latency with analog inserts.
2ms seem rather high for recording vocals or drums, in my experience. RME is offering 21 samples a-d-a during tracking.
That's about the same thing as 21 samples at 44.1 kHz...and pretty much what you would expect using any digital recorder.
But I did not insult anyone with anything I said in that post. I did not call anyone a name. I merely asked a question. Can you please explain to me exactly how I insulted someone?
You can't be serious. Do you really
think that asking somebody if they're just trying to sound like something isn't the same thing as calling them something?
And I'm not sure how much wisdom there is in reposting something that's already been deleted by a moderator.