Vintage Revolution PedalPro analog multi effect

[Roger Axetrample]

Hello everybody,

we've just released a introduction video for the PedalPro system by Vintage Revolution.
It's a hybrid multi-effects unit, which means that it's digitally programmable, but the effects are analog.
Here it is:


Hope you like it, best
Roger Axetrample

[Football]

What is the actual website for this product?

Also, I like the idea and like the sounds but wondered how you got the delay to pan to the right when it seems you're just using that one 57 at that point.

This is just plugged straight in the front of the amp (no effects loop)?

Is there a complete list of all the effects that I can check out?

Thank you

[poidog]

yes, more info please

here is the link to the site: http://www.vintage-revolution.com/

It looks and sounds cool, but for 2,500 euro as an introductory price, it had better be.

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by Football

What is the actual website for this product?

Also, I like the idea and like the sounds but wondered how you got the delay to pan to the right when it seems you're just using that one 57 at that point.

This is just plugged straight in the front of the amp (no effects loop)?

Is there a complete list of all the effects that I can check out?

Thank you

Hi, thanks.
That delay preset is in stereo, so for that patch we had another Twin set up and miked outside of the video shot. The other presets are in mono.

Yes, it's plugged directly into the front of the amp. It actually has it's own 2 effects loops at seperate points in the fx signal chain, which can be programmed into the presets.

These are the onboard fx:
Compressor / Limiter, Preamp, Distortion/OD, Tremolo, Panner, Phaser, Filters, Chorus, Flanger, Vibe, Delay, Detuner Delay, Noise gate.

Best,
Roger

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by poidog

yes, more info please

here is the link to the site: Vintage Revolution | Guitar analogue effects | The analogue revolution draws near

It looks and sounds cool, but for 2,500 euro as an introductory price, it had better be.

Thanks.
I personally think the price is pretty good, when i compare to what i've spent so far on my pedalboard, which has a bunch of medium-to-high-priced pedals that, on the whole, sound less good.
Plus, for that you get the PedalPro and the Footcontroller.
R

[laser]

Originally Posted by Roger Axetrample

Thanks.
I personally think the price is pretty good, when i compare to what i've spent so far on my pedalboard, which has a bunch of medium-to-high-priced pedals that, on the whole, sound less good.
Plus, for that you get the PedalPro and the Footcontroller.
R

I really like the concept, but the foot controller is pretty lame (all except the foot pedal, which is very cool).

It would be nice to have five presets switches available for instantaneous switching on the foot controller labelled 1,2,3,4,5 and then be able to scroll up or down to another set of 5 banks on other switches. Also, it would be nice if the foot controller had the ability to control other MIDI devices the same way (i.e. MIDI thru).

Since the PedalPro doesn't have MIDI in, being tethered to this poorly designed foot controller is a deal breaker.

I do like the foot pedal (wah-wah modulator) part of the foot controller--very cool.

Laser

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by laser

I really like the concept, but the foot controller is pretty lame (all except the foot pedal, which is very cool).

It would be nice to have five presets switches available for instantaneous switching on the foot controller labelled 1,2,3,4,5 and then be able to scroll up or down to another set of 5 banks on other switches. Also, it would be nice if the foot controller had the ability to control other MIDI devices the same way (i.e. MIDI thru).

Since the PedalPro doesn't have MIDI in, being tethered to this poorly designed foot controller is a deal breaker.

I do like the foot pedal (wah-wah modulator) part of the foot controller--very cool.

Laser

Hi Laser, thanks for reacting.
The footcontroller DOES control other MIDI devices as the PedalPro has MIDI out and the PEdalPro itself is controlled by the footcontroller.
The way the footcontroller is set up that you can do instanteneous switching between 18 presets (2 banks of nine presets, left pad switches banks, pads 2,3,4 access the nine presets per bank). That is in favourite mode. In Normal mode you can access 500 presets, where pads 2 and 4 navigate either 1, 10 or 100 steps up or down through the preset pool. Pad 3 loads the preset of choice.
I said it before, but they choose to invent these pads because regular switches break and make unwanted clicking noise.
The foot pedal can be any expression pedal you want, they all work. And you can assign any parameter in your preset to the pedal.
best,
Roger

[laser]

Originally Posted by Roger Axetrample

Hi Laser, thanks for reacting.
The footcontroller DOES control other MIDI devices as the PedalPro has MIDI out and the PEdalPro itself is controlled by the footcontroller.
The way the footcontroller is set up that you can do instanteneous switching between 18 presets (2 banks of nine presets, left pad switches banks, pads 2,3,4 access the nine presets per bank). That is in favourite mode. In Normal mode you can access 500 presets, where pads 2 and 4 navigate either 1, 10 or 100 steps up or down through the preset pool. Pad 3 loads the preset of choice.
I said it before, but they choose to invent these pads because regular switches break and make unwanted clicking noise.
The foot pedal can be any expression pedal you want, they all work. And you can assign any parameter in your preset to the pedal.
best,
Roger

Thanks, Roger. It's important for me to access my MIDI FX in a live setting. So, if I read you correctly, I can program each individual patch (channel) to send a MIDI out signal from the PedalPro to my Eventide to have it do what I need it to do.

And, I understand about the switches---pads are fine. It's the three function pads that really concern me. I have a MIDI rig to eliminate tap dancing when playing live, or else I would use pedal FXs.

As I wrote on another site you posted, if you could make the pads one function and have the following pads for:
Channel 1
Channel 2
Channel 3
Channel 4
Channel 5
Channel 6
Channel 7
Channel 8
Channel 9
Tuner (which turns off the signal going to your amp)
Bank Up
Bank Down
Expression Pedal

You would have a lot of live guitarists giving this thing a very serious look.

Just my opinion, of course--which I give only because I really like the concept and it would enable me to utilize it.

Laser

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by laser

Thanks, Roger. It's important for me to access my MIDI FX in a live setting. So, if I read you correctly, I can program each individual patch (channel) to send a MIDI out signal from the PedalPro to my Eventide to have it do what I need it to do.

And, I understand about the switches---pads are fine. It's the three function pads that really concern me. I have a MIDI rig to eliminate tap dancing when playing live, or else I would use pedal FXs.

As I wrote on another site you posted, if you could make the pads one function and have the following pads for:
Channel 1
Channel 2
Channel 3
Channel 4
Channel 5
Channel 6
Channel 7
Channel 8
Channel 9
Tuner (which turns off the signal going to your amp)
Bank Up
Bank Down
Expression Pedal

You would have a lot of live guitarists giving this thing a very serious look.

Just my opinion, of course--which I give only because I really like the concept and it would enable me to utilize it.

Laser

'So, if I read you correctly, I can program each individual patch (channel) to send a MIDI out signal from the PedalPro to my Eventide to have it do what I need it to do.'
Not just that, you can program the footcontroller to send any kind of MIDI signal you want to your other MIDI gear, it's all programmable.

The way the pads are set up in the favourites mode is equal to what you describe:
Pad 1: a) hard/true bypass, b) bank A/B c) tuner/mute
Pad 2: presets 1-3
Pad 3: presets 4-6
Pad 4: presets 7-9
That's 2 banks of 9, so 18 fx in favourites mode.
Or you use normal mode, to access 499 presets using pads 2-4:
Pad 1: same as above
Pad 2: 1/10/100 presets down
Pad 3: load preset
Pad 4: 1/10/100 presets up

Once i figured it out it made a lot of sense to me, it's easy to use live.
Hope that makes it more clear. We'll probably do a separate video about the footcontroller usability.

Best,
Roger

[laser]

Originally Posted by Roger Axetrample

'So, if I read you correctly, I can program each individual patch (channel) to send a MIDI out signal from the PedalPro to my Eventide to have it do what I need it to do.'
Not just that, you can program the footcontroller to send any kind of MIDI signal you want to your other MIDI gear, it's all programmable.

The way the pads are set up in the favourites mode is equal to what you describe:
Pad 1: a) hard/true bypass, b) bank A/B c) tuner/mute
Pad 2: presets 1-3
Pad 3: presets 4-6
Pad 4: presets 7-9
That's 2 banks of 9, so 18 fx in favourites mode.
Or you use normal mode, to access 499 presets using pads 2-4:
Pad 1: same as above
Pad 2: 1/10/100 presets down
Pad 3: load preset
Pad 4: 1/10/100 presets up

Once i figured it out it made a lot of sense to me, it's easy to use live.
Hope that makes it more clear. We'll probably do a separate video about the footcontroller usability.

Best,
Roger

Re: MIDI
Got it, thanks!

Re: Footpedal
You're not getting the point. I don't want 3 degrees of touch sensitivity to get to a patch.

After 2 1/2 sets and eleven beers, the last thing I want to worry about is how hard I hit the frickin' pad to determine if I get the sound I'm after. I can see going into my big, anxiously-awaited "White Room" wah solo but, because my foot accidentally pushes a little too hard, sounding like Maurice Gibb on "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart".

The PedalPro is a professional product at an unquestionably professional price and it's coupled with a PlaySkool foot controller. And, it's that or nothing. No option to use something else.

The functionality of the foot controller is fine--the accessibility to the functionality is an absolute, unnegotiable, unsellable, unarguable deal breaker.

In my humble opinion, of course.

But, I have to say--after doing a search (which you are discussing this on a half dozen forums), I'm not in the minority on this.

Laser

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by laser

Re: MIDI
Got it, thanks!

Re: Footpedal
You're not getting the point. I don't want 3 degrees of touch sensitivity to get to a patch.

After 2 1/2 sets and eleven beers, the last thing I want to worry about is how hard I hit the frickin' pad to determine if I get the sound I'm after. I can see going into my big, anxiously-awaited "White Room" wah solo but, because my foot accidentally pushes a little too hard, sounding like Maurice Gibb on "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart".

The PedalPro is a professional product at an unquestionably professional price and it's coupled with a PlaySkool foot controller. And, it's that or nothing. No option to use something else.

The functionality of the foot controller is fine--the accessibility to the functionality is an absolute, unnegotiable, unsellable, unarguable deal breaker.

In my humble opinion, of course.

But, I have to say--after doing a search (which you are discussing this on a half dozen forums), I'm not in the minority on this.

Laser

Hey Laser,
thanks again.
Re: Footpedal - You can even program the pads to have 2 pressure levels instead of 3. Like i said, you'd have to try it yourself and see that's it's not difficult even after those 2 1/2 sets and eleven beers
To the engineers, regular switches are like Playskool because they break or sometimes even refuse to switch. In that way, the pads are an improvement - they won't break.
The pressure level thing is new, hence those other reactions, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work - it does. Those who came to the studio had no problems with it and it's definitely hasn't been a 'deal breaker'.
Roger

[Roger Axetrample]

Hey there,
i've uploaded another sample (delay) from their site.
http://www.guitarhow.com/audio/delay_attack2_hi_res.wav
More vids coming.
best,
Roger

[VoxACthirtee]

While it certainly seems kinda neat, i've got an OLD Roland GP-8 that is digitally controlled analog effects.

Not that the time, effort and workmanship doesn't justify the cost, but 2500 euro?
For guitar effects?
Wow.

[laser]

Originally Posted by VoxACthirtee

While it certainly seems kinda neat, i've got an OLD Roland GP-8 that is digitally controlled analog effects.

Not that the time, effort and workmanship doesn't justify the cost, but 2500 euro?
For guitar effects?
Wow.

Hey VoxACthirtee, thanks for this. I have a GP8 in storage and had forgotten all about it. I thought it was digital (chorus and digital delay are digital), but I never thought about the rest being analog.

I think I'll pull it out and save myself $3k and get to use a great footcontroller at the same time.

Laser

[VoxACthirtee]

No problem.
Don't get me wrong, this thing looks pretty amazing.
You are right the GP8 chorus and delay are digital, but i don't know if it takes the whole signal into digital or just a feed for the effect. You can also patch out of it after the eq and avoid anything digital.

I think this product and the GP8 are worlds apart though,
this seems fantastic (except for the footswitch) because it seems to put
boutique quality pedals into one box.
The GP8 cost me $800 new and was supposedly the current BOSS
pedals crammed in a box, but not with relay switching/etc.
It was really cool at the time

I'd have to be able to use a different midi footswitch with this or i'd have a hard time buying it(if i could afford it, which i can't)

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by VoxACthirtee

While it certainly seems kinda neat, i've got an OLD Roland GP-8 that is digitally controlled analog effects.

Not that the time, effort and workmanship doesn't justify the cost, but 2500 euro?
For guitar effects?
Wow.

Hi VoxACthirtee,

i think the PedalPro more then justifies the cost, given the sound quality and possibilities.
If the price is something you'd spend on guitar fx is different for everyone, but judging by these forums, there's plenty guitar players around who use racks or pedalboards that cost more than twice as much...
Roger

[VoxACthirtee]

And thats what i ultimately said, but its still a lot of money for a one time purchase of guitar effects. 2500Euro = $3250ish, i could buy a car with that.

I would buy one of these if i could afford it, but i can't.

Don't get me wrong, all credit and congratulations on what seems to be a great product, just not for me right now.

You want to build something i've seen a market for, for a long time?
Since you are building digitally controlled analog devices.....

Build a Delay/2290 clone thats got full digital control, sounds as good as the original, keeps the original signal analog,
(like the 2290 does) and allows each patch to control the output gain, including boosting the gain (a lot) using a high quality analog gain stage(like the 2290 does). Don't need the effects loops or sampling stuff, just a straight high quality Modulated Delay(Digital delay or BBD, or BOTH) that keeps the original signal analog and has post delay, analog output gain control via patch/midi/etc. Oh, and it needs either a fantastically designed front end so its happy with all inputs, or a dedicated fantastically designed guitar input. AND it has to have BOTH high and low cut filters on the delay signal.

Used, old, discontinued 2290's go for somewhere in the $1500 range, there's a market for this if it can be made and priced right.

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by VoxACthirtee

And thats what i ultimately said, but its still a lot of money for a one time purchase of guitar effects. 2500Euro = $3250ish, i could buy a car with that.

I would buy one of these if i could afford it, but i can't.

Don't get me wrong, all credit and congratulations on what seems to be a great product, just not for me right now.

Hi VoxAC30,

there has been a lot of comments about the price. It was too high for most people. So they've now reduced the price. 1680 euro/2125 USD.
Thanks for your ideas,
best
R

[Roger Axetrample]

Originally Posted by laser

Re: MIDI
Got it, thanks!

Re: Footpedal
You're not getting the point. I don't want 3 degrees of touch sensitivity to get to a patch.

Hi,

yes that's why live it works with 2 levels. So you don't even have to watch the LEDS. Tap: level 1, Lean: level 2
Here you can see me do that:


There's also a new vid showing the sounds: PedalPro System Effects - YouTube

Hope you like, ciao!
R