Presonus Studio One V2

[raymondwave]

Been running to so many small issues with Logic lately and the future of Logic (and Mac) is concerning me, so I decided to take a plunge with Studio One and bought the Producer, it's actually quite cheap for a DAW and I don't need any of the Professional features, atleast not at the moment. I was actually looking for a new synth plugin, but decided to use the money for Studio One.

I don't take the switch too seriously tho, just gonna have fun learning a new DAW. I'm ready to go back to Logic any day and am anxious to see what they come up with, but in the meantime will try Studio One.

After quite extensive trialing I can say that Studio One is very different to Logic. It took a lot of testing and reading the forums to understand the track/instrument/console relationship compared to Logic. It's gonna take a while to getting used to. It's kind of back to old school way of thinking, since you assign "midi tracks" to an instrument in console, which then has output(s).

[BJosephs]

Originally Posted by poshook

after many Logic's issues related to OSX10.8 I took a look at S1 and must say it is amazing app with great sound and simplicity. When Presonus offer any crossgrade discounted price I would change...

I think sweetwater has a crossgrade price. That's where I got my copy. If its not up on the site maybe call?

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[Mario-C.]

Two questions for the S1 fans, can you do destructive edits on an audio file ? that's something I gotta have, also is there a way to disable AU and VST plug ins you don't want to use ? I'm playing with the demo and it looks nice so far ...

[kreeper_6]

Originally Posted by Mario-C.

Two questions for the S1 fans, can you do destructive edits on an audio file ? that's something I gotta have, also is there a way to disable AU and VST plug ins you don't want to use ? I'm playing with the demo and it looks nice so far ...

Check out the Free version also.

You can bounce Audio down but all edits until then are non destructive as one would expect. You can power off VSTi and such but no way do disable for S1 unless you delete DLLs I would guess.

[gizeh12]

Just played with studio one and like it a lot except for a few things:
+++
First: The sound, there is a lot discussion that all daws will null but wauw,, it appeared to me immediately that there was a lot more punch in the low end, and more overall smoothness.
2nd: Audio arranging works like a charm, much more effective than logic.
3nd: pitch loop and timing all drag and drop that is awsome!!!!

BUT:
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1: The mixer lay out is a little cluttered, it could use a more elegant design.
2: There is no option for implementing plugins to audio regions, like in wavelab or protools. And this is one of those functions im craving for, especially with loops.

I havent got the chance to work with the melodyne feature but i will get to that, im sure it will be great.

[kreeper_6]

Originally Posted by gizeh12

2: There is no option for implementing plugins to audio regions, like in wavelab or protools. And this is one of those functions im craving for, especially with loops.

S1 has an "Event FX" bin where you can add effects to audio clips. Its in the "Inspector".

[gizeh12]

I'm sold!!!!

edit:

Humm a huge downside is that it cant import OMF.
Hat to say it but this is a dealbreaker for me.

Does anyone know if there is omf format support in the pipeline for v2?

[raymondwave]

Originally Posted by Mario-C.

Two questions for the S1 fans, can you do destructive edits on an audio file ? that's something I gotta have, also is there a way to disable AU and VST plug ins you don't want to use ? I'm playing with the demo and it looks nice so far ...

There's no dedicated plugin manager as far as I know, but you can
- add turn on/off vst2 and/or vst3 completely
- add/remove vst folders in Studio One options
- use AU subfolders in Finder

I use AU components as much as possible so I have for example turned off VST3 support and have only ../VST_S1 folder for a couple of VST2 plugins. This way Studio One doesn't scan other directories for VST's. I have also made a subfolder in my components folder for AU plugins that I don't use (demos etc).

I'm quite new to S1 tho, just switched from Logic.

[Mario-C.]

Thanks, there are lots of stuff I've to work out but I'm digging it, it's real fast and snappy compared to the other stuff I'm using.

[raymondwave]

Can you change instrument output routing from Inspector (on the left). Would like to do this without going to Console/Mixer. There seems to be everything else in the inspector, but not possible to change routing to a bus or main out.

Am I not just seeing it?

[raymondwave]

I posted this below message to presonus forums also, but I don't seem to get any answers. I don't know if I'm being trivial, but these things annoy me .

"I've been a bit puzzled drawing automation on Studio One. I just drew a straight volume envelope from 0.0 to silence and I feel it's not really a straight line how I'd think it should be. Most attenuation seems to happen during the first quarter of that line and after that the volume is very low already.

I wonder if the "scale" or "logarithm" or whatever is different to other DAW's. Really difficult to explain, but it seems different.

In the middle of the line from 0.0 to silence is -27.5 db or so in S1. In Logic at this same location is at -12.5.

Comparing the volume slider to Studio One automation shows that they are not similar. When automation is in the middle, volume slider is much further down."

Any thoughts?

[MIL production]

any high quality sound clips for s1v2 VS pthd 10??? (whole song mix or single audio clips)much appreciate for any help...
any GS forum links???I been working 7days and dont have enough time to find it myself...
I have had bad history with pt but I still like the sound out of the DAW( in my ear) and mixing workflow(like separate mix windows and coloring tracks in mixer)

Will s1 v2 work with avid native pcie card ???

[MIL production]

any high quality sound clips for s1v2 VS pthd 10??? (whole song mix or single audio clips)much appreciate for any help...
any GS forum links???I been working 7days and dont have enough time to find it myself...
I have had bad history with pt but I still like the sound out of the DAW( in my ear) and mixing workflow(like separate mix windows and coloring tracks in mixer)

Will s1 v2 work with avid native pcie card ???

[triode]

The thing that temps me is that I've got two presonus firestudios and studio one integrates the track sends with the zero latency monitor driver for the interfaces. Bingo. Quicker than PT monitoring via firewire.

[woodsdenis]

Originally Posted by poshook

after many Logic's issues related to OSX10.8 I took a look at S1 and must say it is amazing app with great sound and simplicity. When Presonus offer any crossgrade discounted price I would change...

They do already, cross grade from your existing DAW. I have just downloaded the demo, not perfect but very good none the less.

[SquashPile]

'Tis the season for cross upgrades They usually start something this time of the year too. I think Presonus always has a deal for existing DAW. I think the crossgrade and upgrade deals I purchased were both toward end of the year.

[Scardanelli]

Someone was asking for clips mixed in Studio One V2 - so here you go - one song recorded, mixed and mastered in Studio One V2 Pro, note that this is for the video so a little over-compressed for my taste, but gotta keep that dynamic range low for those deaf 'ole TV people....

End Of The World by DR SCARDO on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

If you want to leave comments that'd be great!

[patrick81]

Originally Posted by Scardanelli

Someone was asking for clips mixed in Studio One V2 - so here you go - one song recorded, mixed and mastered in Studio One V2 Pro, note that this is for the video so a little over-compressed for my taste, but gotta keep that dynamic range low for those deaf 'ole TV people....

End Of The World by DR SCARDO on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

If you want to leave comments that'd be great!

sounds really good! did you use any saturation or tape plugin like VCC, etc..??

[Won4Music]

Hello everyone,
New to gears but I think I'm in the right place... I need some help with a couple things in studio one. I am somewhat new to recording, but I am a quick learner and have a good handle on the program (using pro with the 44vsl). When I start a project or udate a mastering file of my songs it won't seem to allow more than about 4min 55sec of song to go into the project. So if I burn a cd it cuts one of the songs short. Is there a setting I can change so it will allow more??

Also, I'm using a 15' Mac Pro (My first Mac) and it is starting to do weird stuff when I get a lot of tracks running with a lot of adjustments. Someone told me to buy the external drive that spins at 7500rpm to run the music off of. I'm not sure I understand how to do that- if I buy the hardware how would I go about that? And also, I noticed the mac stores thousands of tiny files of every piece I've ever recorded- is there a better way to do all this externally that is healthier for the computer?

Thank you for your help!

[Gigazaga]

Originally Posted by Won4Music

Hello everyone,
New to gears but I think I'm in the right place... I need some help with a couple things in studio one. I am somewhat new to recording, but I am a quick learner and have a good handle on the program (using pro with the 44vsl). When I start a project or udate a mastering file of my songs it won't seem to allow more than about 4min 55sec of song to go into the project. So if I burn a cd it cuts one of the songs short. Is there a setting I can change so it will allow more??

Also, I'm using a 15' Mac Pro (My first Mac) and it is starting to do weird stuff when I get a lot of tracks running with a lot of adjustments. Someone told me to buy the external drive that spins at 7500rpm to run the music off of. I'm not sure I understand how to do that- if I buy the hardware how would I go about that? And also, I noticed the mac stores thousands of tiny files of every piece I've ever recorded- is there a better way to do all this externally that is healthier for the computer?

Thank you for your help!

You probably just need to set the Song End Marker in the Marker track. In the Studio One Song, open the Marker Track (the Flag Icon) and look near out near the end of the song. Drag the End Marker to line up with the end of the song. That defines the song length which is used on the Project page.

As far as tweaking performance of your computer, you might want to take that up on the PreSonus Forum. There are lots of helpful people there. Have you already experimented with different Device Block Size settings in the Options dialog box?

[Won4Music]

Hey Gig,

Thanks for responding! I didn't know if this would work, never used forums. In fact I tried searching for a way to talk to persons like a chat- I couldn't find anything so I am here. I will look again..

The song marker worked. Awesome- I'm glad it was that simple... And also feel a bit stupid

Device Block Size: I was looking at that very thing last night wondering if it would solve the above problem. What exactly does that do when you change it? I have been paying attn to the performance of the CPU since I started using this. Even now that I am adding a lot more to the songs it seems it is not even using a quarter of its potential. I spend 8 hours a day working on my music, but the last few days towards the end it would start to act a little buggy (noticeable because the machine and program are always so smooth). And for the first time, yesterday, it actually unexpectedly shut the program down after I changed the tempo by 5bpm. Like it has a really hard time with a tempo change in the late stages. IDK... What does block size change? Should I up-it?

[Gigazaga]

Originally Posted by Won4Music

Hey Gig,

Thanks for responding! I didn't know if this would work, never used forums. In fact I tried searching for a way to talk to persons like a chat- I couldn't find anything so I am here. I will look again..

The song marker worked. Awesome- I'm glad it was that simple... And also feel a bit stupid

Device Block Size: I was looking at that very thing last night wondering if it would solve the above problem. What exactly does that do when you change it? I have been paying attn to the performance of the CPU since I started using this. Even now that I am adding a lot more to the songs it seems it is not even using a quarter of its potential. I spend 8 hours a day working on my music, but the last few days towards the end it would start to act a little buggy (noticeable because the machine and program are always so smooth). And for the first time, yesterday, it actually unexpectedly shut the program down after I changed the tempo by 5bpm. Like it has a really hard time with a tempo change in the late stages. IDK... What does block size change? Should I up-it?

Sure no problem.

You can get lots help over at:
PreSonus Forums

Just log in with your PreSonus user ID and password.

The device block basically sets the amount of time you give the computer to calculate the mix during playback. Higher values typically provide more stable operation. Lower amounts offer less latency when using virtual instruments and effects. It is always about finding the lowest setting that gives stable playback. During mixing, latency doesn't matter as much, so the device block size can be increased. That is an extremely simplified answer to that question!

Tempo changes can be pretty demanding on CPU if you have lots of tracks that are set with Timestretching turned on.

[Westwave]

Heard thru the grapevine about SO2. Since 1996 I've used Logic {was a beta tester}, Cubase Nuendo , Pro Tools.
I was very skeptical. I mean how could a newbie compete with mature well respected Daw's. I was particularly impressed with Cubase's Nuendo's stability so I mainly used it because who want's to deal with crashes when a client is sitting there paying you.
Studio One v2 64 bit, Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did not think it was possible to run a native system at 32milliseconds latency tracking with effects VI's 10chanels of Drums 2 of Guitar, 2 of Bass and 1 Scratch Voc.
Never crashes, hands down best and fastest GUI,and here's what blows my mind. It sounds Great with really good sounding native plugins. I don't want to hear that all Daws sound the same. If you want to believe that be my guest but my ears tell me different.
Its like the fun used to have years ago using midi sequencers. You don't have to think of software when creating because everything just flows intuitively and very quickly.
DO NOT BELIEVE ME. Download SO2, live with it for 2 days and then find a joy in recording that you probably haven't experienced before or at least in a very long time.
This has to be the most efficient code ever written for a Daw.
Good bye direct monitoring. Finally on a native system!!!!!!!!!!!.
WOW.

[Piranhadrum]

Originally Posted by Westwave

Heard thru the grapevine about SO2. Since 1996 I've used Logic {was a beta tester}, Cubase Nuendo , Pro Tools.
I was very skeptical. I mean how could a newbie compete with mature well respected Daw's. I was particularly impressed with Cubase's Nuendo's stability so I mainly used it because who want's to deal with crashes when a client is sitting there paying you.
Studio One v2 64 bit, Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did not think it was possible to run a native system at 32milliseconds latency tracking with effects VI's 10chanels of Drums 2 of Guitar, 2 of Bass and 1 Scratch Voc.
Never crashes, hands down best and fastest GUI,and here's what blows my mind. It sounds Great with really good sounding native plugins. I don't want to hear that all Daws sound the same. If you want to believe that be my guest but my ears tell me different.
Its like the fun used to have years ago using midi sequencers. You don't have to think of software when creating because everything just flows intuitively and very quickly.
DO NOT BELIEVE ME. Download SO2, live with it for 2 days and then find a joy in recording that you probably haven't experienced before or at least in a very long time.
This has to be the most efficient code ever written for a Daw.
Good bye direct monitoring. Finally on a native system!!!!!!!!!!!.
WOW.

Yes! The included plugs sounds really good imo. Was a longtime Cubase user until last year. I noticed right away how the included plugs have a certain smoothness to them. Especially the compressor. The Expander is an awesome tool and the Pro EQ is handy and sounds just great. The only plug I struggle with us the Room Reverb, for some reason I need to work those parameters to get what I need. However I'm a big UAD user and the Plate 140 is hard to beat.

Anyhow, I have no problem mixing an entire album with just SO2's plugs. It would be nice to see a tape saturation plug included though...a Fatso type plug would be handy.

From my experience I feel like when you add plugins, it doesn't add some sort of ripple effect in the audio chain. I've noticed that with Cubase, when you start adding certain plugs it begins to add some graininess. Perhaps SO2's algorithms are superior when calculating plugin functions.

The fact is, DAW's are leaps and bounds better than 10, even 5 years ago. Ok, back to focusing on just making music!

[woodsdenis]

Originally Posted by Westwave

Heard thru the grapevine about SO2. Since 1996 I've used Logic {was a beta tester}, Cubase Nuendo , Pro Tools.
I was very skeptical. I mean how could a newbie compete with mature well respected Daw's. I was particularly impressed with Cubase's Nuendo's stability so I mainly used it because who want's to deal with crashes when a client is sitting there paying you.
Studio One v2 64 bit, Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did not think it was possible to run a native system at 32milliseconds latency tracking with effects VI's 10chanels of Drums 2 of Guitar, 2 of Bass and 1 Scratch Voc.
Never crashes, hands down best and fastest GUI,and here's what blows my mind. It sounds Great with really good sounding native plugins. I don't want to hear that all Daws sound the same. If you want to believe that be my guest but my ears tell me different.
Its like the fun used to have years ago using midi sequencers. You don't have to think of software when creating because everything just flows intuitively and very quickly.
DO NOT BELIEVE ME. Download SO2, live with it for 2 days and then find a joy in recording that you probably haven't experienced before or at least in a very long time.
This has to be the most efficient code ever written for a Daw.
Good bye direct monitoring. Finally on a native system!!!!!!!!!!!.
WOW.

Being using it for about 2 months on a Mac. It is the most stable DAW I have used in many years. Really clever workflow and great stock plugs. Not perfect and doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the others but covers all the basics and more very well.

[Westwave]

Being using it for about 2 months on a Mac. It is the most stable DAW I have used in many years. Really clever workflow and great stock plugs. Not perfect and doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the others but covers all the basics and more very well.



What Daw is perfect for everyone. However for my workflow which is composing and recording paying clients Studio One v2 is hands down the best I've ever experienced. One thing we should keep in mind is this Daw is still fairly early in it's development cycle and that portends great future growth. The developers really seem to be listening to what we the users need. Yes it needs better video integration and Midi could be improved along with surround but I can easily live with these issues for now as long as they don't compromise the sublime workflow. I can now finally sell my beloved Amek console. I won't be needing it any longer.

[woodsdenis]

Originally Posted by Westwave

Being using it for about 2 months on a Mac. It is the most stable DAW I have used in many years. Really clever workflow and great stock plugs. Not perfect and doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the others but covers all the basics and more very well.



What Daw is perfect for everyone. However for my workflow which is composing and recording paying clients Studio One v2 is hands down the best I've ever experienced. One thing we should keep in mind is this Daw is still fairly early in it's development cycle and that portends great future growth. The developers really seem to be listening to what we the users need. Yes it needs better video integration and Midi could be improved along with surround but I can easily live with these issues for now as long as they don't compromise the sublime workflow. I can now finally sell my beloved Amek console. I won't be needing it any longer.

And 2.5 looks like its going to drop today Dont sell the Amek !!!!
I use it for composing and it works like a dream, Its mixing automation is lacking for my work flow though, for more complex stuff its back to Protools.
As you said there is no perfect DAW, Studio One is well on its way there.

[B-San]

^ Looks like 2.5 had landed!

[mdoelger]

Can't check at the moment,

but it seems they added exactly those features I was missing.

Softube Saturation is nice as well.

Did TriComp get a Gain Knob btw?

[Pale Pyramid]

Downloaded 2.5 yesterday. Some great features. Love that you can edit inside folder tracks and that after track transform, midi will follow any changes you make to the arrangement. The new comping features are easy as can be.