New Tape Emulation - "Roundtone"

[BlackBackDrop]

Its to easy to get hung up on which is the best or sounds the closest to real tape ect. I get the reasons why people do this, and I not saying stop… However its better to think or these tools in terms of adding contrast.

For example, lets say you have a drum loop and you are sending the loop into a room to add some depth. By adding Roundtone after the reverb it will create more contrast between the original sound the room.

If anyone is interested in more info on contrast in mixing then let me know and I will do some tutorials.

[leonardo777]

Originally Posted by BlackBackDrop

Its to easy to get hung up on which is the best or sounds the closest to real tape ect. I get the reasons why people do this, and I not saying stop… However its better to think or these tools in terms of adding contrast.

For example, lets say you have a drum loop and you are sending the loop into a room to add some depth. By adding Roundtone after the reverb it will create more contrast between the original sound the room.

If anyone is interested in more info on contrast in mixing then let me know and I will do some tutorials.

Tutorials in more contrast in mixing sounds good to me. On the internet? Written and with audio-examples? I remember when I was working with an otari 1" 16 track back in the late 80s it was gorgeous to overdrive the tape for guitar and drum sound and I had less problems with sibyls s,z, and t and k. I am still looking for that softening effect on harsh vocals. Nowadays I need lots of de-esser to get rid of that aggressive sounding treble and transients

[quintosardo]

Modeling the input stage and its saturation for a more complete Roundtone.

The algorithm menu is going to be split in three:

- the original algorithm menu
- input stage model
- tape saturation formula

It's going to be 3.1.0 (including some fixes, of course)

[Lights]

Wow!! You think it and then you build it. It was only last week when the idea even surfaced with Illacov's mix. You guys move fast.

[lobsterinn]

Looking forward to the update, Quinto!

[wagz]

Originally Posted by quintosardo

Modeling the input stage and its saturation for a more complete Roundtone.

The algorithm menu is going to be split in three:

- the original algorithm menu
- input stage model
- tape saturation formula

It's going to be 3.1.0 (including some fixes, of course)

whoa! I'm looking forward to this!

[illacov]

Now things are starting to be interesting.

It will be just my luck that we will be beta testing the newest revision of Roundtone and I will have to use the beta to finish the song

But that's the lifestyle!

Thanks

Peace
Illumination

[quintosardo]

Yes, these input stage modeling and new options for tape formulae are the right ones for your mix.
Every single projects suggests so many improvements... if only the time was enough to do all the things I'd like to...

(modeling D*lby A multiband processor, now, from an old dusty hw processor... really great...)

[mljung]

Originally Posted by quintosardo

Every single projects suggests so many improvements... if only the time was enough to do all the things I'd like to...

(modeling D*lby A multiband processor, now, from an old dusty hw processor... really great...)

Yes if only you had the time Still waiting for the other promised updates on Verbtone, Presence and Bus.

Roundtone 3 was a very fine update, if it continues this way, it'll be a beast, a sweet beast... D*lby A multiband processor, among other things sounds very interesting.

But be careful to promise too much, it sounds exciting but also give users high expectations, and can't wait to try it - bug-fixes are just as important!

May the time be with you!

::
Mads

[quintosardo]

They were all already developed projects, so they come out while improving the existing ones. Now focusing on Bus, needs some serious work to kill the last bug.
Great feedback about its new compressor model, though (opto 2A).

[wakestyle]

Quinto, will this Roundtone ever be able to play with no latency?

I'm not sure I understand why it can't.. I thought that was possible for any plug-in?

thanks

[quintosardo]

Originally Posted by wakestyle

Quinto, will this Roundtone ever be able to play with no latency?

I'm not sure I understand why it can't.. I thought that was possible for any plug-in?

thanks

It cannot because of wow and flutter, they need to oscillate around a point forward in time

[Dr.Gunjah]

So v3 always has latency, no matter which oversampling mode I set?

[quintosardo]

It has lower latency with oversample off

[Dr.Gunjah]

hmm... I guess I'll have to stick with v2 then >.<
The issue here is, Reaper doesn't know "low" latency. The lowest one in my configuration is 256 samples which is already annoying for tracking :(
In fact the soundcard latency already sux, though you have to deal with it until they find a way to break the laws of physics.

[quintosardo]

Everything with an oscillating "time" (like variable tape speed) needs latency, to be able to go forward and back in time (because in an emulation you cannot let time shift accumulate, of course)

[Dr.Gunjah]

might it be possible to turn off the latency when turning off wow/flutter ?

[quintosardo]

Yes, even though it is not the most transparent operation. I'll look into this before the next update (which is going to include tape chorus, new saturation options, new input stage with clipping and more )

[jeremy.c.]

Originally Posted by quintosardo

Yes, even though it is not the most transparent operation. I'll look into this before the next update (which is going to include tape chorus, new saturation options, new input stage with clipping and more )

You have the most insane (in a good way) development cycle I have ever seen!

[richinmusic]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gunjah

hmm... I guess I'll have to stick with v2 then >.<
The issue here is, Reaper doesn't know "low" latency. The lowest one in my configuration is 256 samples which is already annoying for tracking :(
In fact the soundcard latency already sux, though you have to deal with it until they find a way to break the laws of physics.

I use Reaper and can track at 64 samples, comfortably at 128. If you are having issues, it's not Reaper. Besides, you can just track at low latency without the plugins and mix at higher buffer settings and add all of your fx.

[Dr.Gunjah]

Originally Posted by quintosardo

Yes, even though it is not the most transparent operation. I'll look into this before the next update (which is going to include tape chorus, new saturation options, new input stage with clipping and more )

Ok, cool, thanks for checking this!

@richinmusic: Of course it's my own fault if I can't get my soundcard latency lower though that pdc rounding is a reaper issue. At least I can't remember reading about issues like that from people that use other hosts.

[DrAudioBot]

So, what's the actual situation with this?

I find it very inconvenient and tedious, to be forced to go to gearslutz, click through pages to maybe find
(often without success and wasted 5 minutes of my time!) news about updates, new versions, added format etc.

How about updated newsletters? How about a general automatic customer management instead of making it a "gearslutz thing"
and constantly announcing a new plugin 6 months before it's ready, Quinto?

This whole "system" makes me turn my back to SK plugins in general.

Had to be said!

[cpie]

Originally Posted by DrAudioBot

So, what's the actual situation with this?

I find it very inconvenient and tedious, to be forced to go to gearslutz, click through pages to maybe find
(often without success and wasted 5 minutes of my time!) news about updates, new versions, added format etc.

How about updated newsletters? How about a general automatic customer management instead of making it a "gearslutz thing"
and constantly announcing a new plugin 6 months before it's ready, Quinto?

This whole "system" makes me turn my back to SK plugins in general.

Had to be said!

Yes, a newsletter might be a good idea. Coincidently though, I did just get a free stripbus update delivered to my email about 15 minutes ago..didn't ask for it or expect it...same thing with roundtone about a couple of weeks ago, with extras that weren't part of the original deal added free. That made me very happy

[Dug Wolfsohn]

Originally Posted by DrAudioBot

So, what's the actual situation with this?

I find it very inconvenient and tedious, to be forced to go to gearslutz, click through pages to maybe find
(often without success and wasted 5 minutes of my time!) news about updates, new versions, added format etc.

How about updated newsletters? How about a general automatic customer management instead of making it a "gearslutz thing"
and constantly announcing a new plugin 6 months before it's ready, Quinto?

This whole "system" makes me turn my back to SK plugins in general.

Had to be said!

SK may not be the most organised of software developers, but the plugins are excellent and so are the prices. I've always found the support to be great as well, Quinto goes the extra mile to get things working when we need them. Bigger companies might have newsletters and user areas to log in to, but their plugs cost ten times as much as SK.
I think it's reasonable for us all to be understanding and patient.

[ooohhh2]

+1! Look again at their prices.
And Quinto is one of the responsive devs around, just test and send him an email if you need any help, he'll answer right away.
He still needs to organize his license lists, and things like that, other than that there's nothing negative to say. And his plugins are top notch.

[DrAudioBot]

Good prices, yes. Quality plugins, yes. Good system, absolutely not.
Other (low price) developers (Toneboosters comes to mind) have an easier way to distribute their products, without giving guys like me a hard time.
I guess it's mainly based on Quinto's protection/license system.

[richinmusic]

I want my updates as much as anyone, but come on y'all. So Quintos update system could be improved, is it that big of a deal? If people are in such urgent "need" for these updates, how come you have so much time to post these complaints on this forum? Be happy, relax, and go make/mix music with all of the awesome Sknote plugins that already work and sound amazing. And this is not to start a big war, I am not pointing any fingers. I would still rather give my money to what I consider to be user focused companies with unprecedented customer service AND crazy-fair pricing (like Sknote, Cockos, Acustica, Valhalla DSP, Stillwell Audio, ToneBooster, even MSI, DDMF, and PSP) than to the ones that neglect the users and inflate prices just to give their product a false higher value (not to mention the unnecessarily contrived "protection" systems many implement). Just my biased opinion. Peace.

[Hohman]

Originally Posted by richinmusic

I want my updates as much as anyone, but come on y'all. So Quintos update system could be improved, is it that big of a deal? If people are in such urgent "need" for these updates, how come you have so much time to post these complaints on this forum? Be happy, relax, and go make/mix music with all of the awesome Sknote plugins that already work and sound amazing. And this is not to start a big war, I am not pointing any fingers. I would still rather give my money to what I consider to be user focused companies with unprecedented customer service AND crazy-fair pricing (like Sknote, Cockos, Acustica, Valhalla DSP, Stillwell Audio, ToneBooster, even MSI, DDMF, and PSP) than to the ones that neglect the users and inflate prices just to give their product a false higher value (not to mention the unnecessarily contrived "protection" systems many implement). Just my biased opinion. Peace.

Peace.

[quintosardo]

DrAudioBot is absolutely right, this system is horrible, first of all for me.
This is why a beautiful user area is almost ready
You get access to your personal page and all the updated list is there for download. Anything better than this??

[zeljkom]

Originally Posted by quintosardo

DrAudioBot is absolutely right, this system is horrible, first of all for me.
This is why a beautiful user area is almost ready
You get access to your personal page and all the updated list is there for download. Anything better than this??

That will be great.