Duende Native Plugins

[Coyoteous]

It's funny how people keep popping in here saying it's a hoax, then saying it's not.

I don't know the nerd n.0 jargon, but it seems to be offline web updates waiting to go live.

If it didn't follow so close on the heels of Duende 3.5, I'd suspect SSL of the leak.

Where did four-poster OP shelllink go, anyway?

[BIG_MYDUS]

I think it's real because there is also a new madi product in the products menu. There was a thread that was deleted a few weeks ago that mentioned ssl releasing a stereo x-rack eq (before it came out) and a madi routing matrix thing.

[SWAN808]

yeah surely just an offline mirror site waiting to go live? I dont know much about web design but surely that would be a heavy job for anyone to do just as a hoax for native Duende plugins?!

How did the OP find this alternate SSL site anyways?

[MarkyGoldstein]

This might interest some:

Emulations...

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...en&output=html

Please add your knowledge

[MarkyGoldstein]

Anyway, don't fool yourself... Intel chips did not progress that much in the recent years and we still need much more cores and bandwidth and ghz...

[danger]

Originally Posted by MarkyGoldstein

Anyway, don't fool yourself... Intel chips did not progress that much in the recent years and we still need much more cores and bandwidth and ghz...

really? would you explain that more detailed, please?

[BlackBackDrop]

Originally Posted by CKK

Is this download free for us hardware owners?

It should be - shouldnt it.

(sorry - looks like it is)

I would have thought so!

[JPeters86]

SSL surely understands the concept of viral marketing.

[hugol]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

I don't know the nerd n.0 jargon, but it seems to be offline web updates waiting to go live.

Yes exactly, sometimes know as a "staging" environment. Why it's not password protected is another matter.

If it is a hoax someone has gone to an awful lot of trouble. If true what's going to be interesting is the CPU usage compared to the current 3.x Duende version.

I've long suspected the existing 3.x Duende plug-ins don't actually make use of the card for any processing, just for copy protection. Well actually I suspect the reverb still runs on the DSP.

Anyway all very curious.

[BlackBackDrop]

Originally Posted by JPeters86

SSL surely understands the concept of viral marketing.

Yeah!

However I am logged in so it must be a real site right?

[champ]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

but like a lot of us , i'm kinda sad cause from now , no more exclusivity , any wak studio kid gonna have his crack version

Why would you even care what kids do, are you one of them?

[MarkyGoldstein]

Computers did not double their power in the last 18 months. I don't really believe the old Moores Law anymore. It's not happening anymore, not for the CPU and not for the machine as a whole. Take the latest Mac Pro update: only 1.5 times faster. It is true that the bus, and the PCI bus, is a showstopper for DSP processing too.

The good thing about Native is simplicity. You don't need drivers, nothing. And market size for SSL, etc.

Anyway, hybrid still rocks.

By the way: Apple Logic is the only (native) DAW that I know that can handle low latency on live / input tracks, while having other buffer sizes on other tracks. So software architecture is also much important. If you look into low latency, and you really start to understand the topic, you will see why both ProTools and Apple Logic have a large pro market share. They have low latency concepts that work better than others.

Peace

[Andy_bt]

BTW, I wonder what kind of agreement SSL has with Waves about the licencing?

[Levi]

Man, I'm COMPLETELY bamboozled!!! I was going to purchase a PCIe Duende this week! Well, I guess it wouldn't be a bad purchase still, especially since the price is right and if there's truly a FREE crossgrade... what to do, what to do... I wonder what the price-point of the Native versions will be... any guesses?

[champ]

Originally Posted by Jules

Several posts removed and infractions issued for discussing pirate software.

Don't do it - it's not allowed on GS and can earn you a total ban from the forum.

Thanks.

Please read my posts again because you punishing the wrong people here.

I didn't wrote that people should go download illegally all I wrote was that this is happening.

E.G.:
If i say that there is war all over the world that doesn't mean I want people to get involved and pick up a machine gun.

[rhythmtech]

Originally Posted by champ

If i say that there is war all over the world that doesn't mean I want people to get involved and pick up a machine gun.

dont mention the war!

[danger]

Originally Posted by MarkyGoldstein

Computers did not double their power in the last 18 months. I don't really believe the old Moores Law anymore. It's not happening anymore, not for the CPU and not for the machine as a whole. Take the latest Mac Pro update: only 1.5 times faster. It is true that the bus, and the PCI bus, is a showstopper for DSP processing too.

you really want to tell us that a 6 core xeon is only 1,5 times faster than a 2 year old 4 core xeon?

but what you say about drivers, that's totally right, also making plugins for dsps is way harder than programming x86 cpus. If you see UA is making uad plugins quite slowly and they also have excellent programmers.

[sigmatibet]

Originally Posted by Levi;

Man, I'm COMPLETELY bamboozled!!! I was going to purchase a PCIe Duende this week! Well, I guess it wouldn't be a bad purchase still, especially since the price is right and if there's truly a FREE crossgrade... what to do, what to do... I wonder what the price-point of the Native versions will be... any guesses?

If this thing is not fake, you should wait and buy the native plugs. There's no reason why you should buy a card that will become useless in two months.
Unless plugins will cost much more than the ones sold within the dsp platform

[hugol]

Originally Posted by danger

you really want to tell us that a 6 core xeon is only 1,5 times faster than a 2 year old 4 core xeon?

I think the issue is software in general just isn't optimised to take advantage of the additional parallelism effectively. Certainly supposed to be an issue on OSX as much as I love it.

I guess single-threaded performance of the cores isn't really improving much now the clock speed race is over, although memory latencies have (not that this benefits everything).

Originally Posted by danger

but what you say about drivers, that's totally right, also making plugins for dsps is way harder than programming x86 cpus. If you see UA is making uad plugins quite slowly and they also have excellent programmers.

Surely DSP programming is easier in many ways as you're writing for and optimising for and supporting a fixed platform.

[spaceman]

Ok , i don't think this is fake now. The fact that nobody from SSL reacted to this proves it. They wouldn't let the hoax spread for this long if it was, a hoax.

[Finnish]

Geez, if these are iLok-free and price is reasonable, I'm in!

[SWAN808]

Judging by the fact that the PCIe has been discounted to around £300 in the last 6 months I suspect that will be the asking price for the native software...

plus also it was even less in Thomann around £265 IIRK and look now:

SSL DUENDE PCIe - U.K. International Cyberstore

more suggestive evidence...

[Jeezo]

Originally Posted by champ

Why would you even care what kids do, are you one of them?

Really intelligent answer !!
I'm giving course to people from 18 to 45 and i see a lot of those (younger specialy) having an arsenal that even me don't have ......and they just know notghing about compression , eq's .....they just put plugins randomly because they read on forum , this plug good , or see a video of that artists using that ....ect...

So what i want to say is that values of plugs are getting low because people don't pay them no more and don't know a god damn thing about processing .....

With exceptions of dsp's solutions that most of the time users had made and educated comparison with existing native solutions and find a real bonus on the dsp based solution (no matter laptop or desktop, i travel from paris to new orleans , i'm gonna have , with my deunde mini the same quality of processing (full dsp ) )


So it's sad to give a Ferrari to somebody who just learn how to drive as he gonna compare it to his Ford and probably see no difference!!

Ok now back on the subject , as i suspect that this last version is full native with the hardware as dongle , can anybody make a test with 32 channel strip V3.5 versus 32 dsp V2 jsut for us to see cpu load ...

One good thing is that all plugins except the Xverb were coded to take one slot mono, tywo slot steréo , this mean that they got the smae cpu load !! unlike for exemple the uad witch is fair with tus comlp but a joke for the channel strip .....*


""Oh to Champ : Viva Espana !! (now you can say i'm kid !!)
I'm jokin of course ""

[Entrainer]

Moving from DSP to Native is not an upgrade to me. It's a downgrade.
I spent $750 for more power, not a buss comp/channel strip. Two years
have gone by and I have received 5% value from this card.

I don't know about anyone else, but I think it's time to have some sort
of standards on releasing products. Maybe the different systems/variables
defense worked in the 90s when people were intimidated/unknowledgeable
about computers... it's 2010 now.

No computer can have more variables than Human DNA combined with diet.
Yet somehow medicine can be researched and released to the public. This
is due to standards and regulations. In the US, it's FDA approved. Yes, it's
more work and money, but gone are the days where Paul McCartney and
Michael Jackson can go town to town selling snake oil.

A pharmaceutical company can't release a drug and test on the public. "Oh,
sorry, Viagra 1.1 caused depression, hair pulling, and turrets? Maybe Viagra
2.5 will fix that. My bad."

License Policy:

Pfizer cannot be held responsible for this product working nor responsible
from any damages arising in case said product does not work or works to
well.

Vegas slot machine payouts are 95%. That means that 95% of the money
going in goes out. Duende has worse odds. It's more like a lottery.
If 100 people buy, then some of you win a working system. The rest of the
money goes to fund SSL's education.

[Silver Sonya]

Before people start in to debating the tenets of that post, I gotta say: that was truly inspiring writing. My hat is off. When I come across eloquence on the internet, I almost don't recognize it at first.

- c

[Jeezo]

I fully agree on those but we must admit that in those 100 people , how many have really a tru optimised hardware ....

Each update of osx is a headcahe on mac , and pc's are, if you don't have the knowledge , a lottery !!

I have actually for my mobile setup , an hp 8710W (T7700 , FX1600M) dpc latency 35us, fireface 400 plugged ,duende mini on a belkin TI pcmcia...simply rock solid ...
Need a new beast now , and guess what it's been 3 months of expectise and basically i expect 3 more months testing DPC latency , ports , drivers (in one word : integration), (asking people on forums to do this , test this and all , and none of them understand a god damn thing what is nvidia powermizer and all ... )and all the options(mbp , dell precision , hp elitebook, Lenovo...) cost more than 2000 euros ....

And i can tell you that i ghave some emails fom people asking why the duende doesn't work on their 500 euros laptop while surfing on the web , msn , and norton runnin !! (just to give an image !!)

Of course some have great systems but a lot of them don't ....

So i ++++ on what you said , we need standard in plugins , dsp's ...but more than that on Computers DAW certified !!

I'm missing my vaio VGN BX 197XP with its 3us of dpc latency !!!! the more time is running the worst it's getting (testing time : ridiculous, validation process : joke , built quality : let me check wallstreet , nop !! let's put somecrap in, Developpement : let me check what's on the market , ok let's make the same but a little better ....oh wait i think it's captitalism right ?

So much pressure on company that's it's like disney land now, just ridiculous (no ssl Dissing here at all , i'm dissing the game , not the long time player!)

Too much to worry about in the real life , for waisting time on our toyz guyz

[wakestyle]

Great news imo. I hope SSL does really well off of this and develops more plugins aswell.

I will convert - 1 less piece of junk on my desktop!

[SCDBM]

I am very dissapointed:
not only do i see my investments depreciated by 75%
I also will miss out on future updates if i don't crossgrade.

SSL quality was only one of the buying criteria, but CPU offloading was an important other one.

With a "free crossgrade" an upgrade path is secured
however SSL fully bypassed the other buying criteria and the fact of steep depreciation of the investments made.

The only thing i see is 2 years of investment and commitment down the drain. No more CPU ofloading and the same plugins now being offered for a price probably lower than i paid for X-COMP, X-EQ and X-VERB seperately.
let alone the 100% depreciation of te PCIe card.

Crossgrade is to service the software part
How is SSL going to compensate for the 100% hardware depreciation?

[Unrealworld82]

This move is probably to lower manufacturing costs and reach more people. SSL is making a smart move in this economy.

[Shy]

All this challenging the concept of native software is funny and all, but not more than that. Anyone who isn't a moron can get a PC proper for audio work. A "lottery"? Here's a recipe: some new Gigabyte motherboard, some amd or intel processor, some ram, fanless graphics card, hard drive/s and that's it, the only thing you need to check to avoid DPC issues is the graphics card (crappy driver handling of dynamic mhz switching, etc., adjust/choose appropriately), and whadya know, you have a machine dozens of times more powerful than outdated "DSP hardware", that will be able to run many more instances of Duende plugins. How wonderful, life is good. Really, it is.

Anyway, I like some "DSP hardware" bound plugins but never got any card because I despise SSL's, TC's, UAD's, CreamWare's, etc.'s idiotic persistence of using those shitty platforms. If SSL is smart enough to stop this crap, great.