Reason 5, Record 1.5

[n8tron]

Originally Posted by John_Seward

Only one way to do things? You can't be serious?

It's a pretty general statement I know, but yes, compared to other daws I found a lot of times there wasn't as many options for performing a lot of functions. I don't mean this statement to pertain to what you can do with routing of the instruments etc... cause that reason really excels, more in how you use the basic functions.

[RasCricket]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

very impressive stuff.... Record looks like it could give PT a serious run.

*sigh...

[charles maynes]

So Reason is good for producing ALL music? I mean, really?

[maf4]

Originally Posted by charles maynes

So Reason is good for producing ALL music? I mean, really?

yes. and you'll be able to win all types of contests with it too! but only if you aren't a talentless protools sheep. tutt

So far, I used my reason 5 install disc on a scratch-and-win. Of course, I won $2... because I used reason.

*edit: oh come on RasCricket... now that you've edited your post, this one doesn't make sense.

[Benmrx]

uggg.... I did it... official Reason v5 owner. I simply couldn't resist after seeing Kong in action. A new DAW is about the last thing I need especially since my studio computer can't even run this until I upgrade the ol' G5. First version of Reason I've ever used. I know this is a pretty old program at this point and most everyone knows how this thing works... but man.. I'm going to need to do some serious manual reading. It's just soooo unlike a regular DAW... which is good... I think.... I'll mostly be using this in Rewire mode as a big ol' sound module, but I'de still like to get a grasp on it's sequencing capabilities.

Can anyone recommend some good tutorials? Sadly I've come to somewhat rely on tutorial videos for learning the basics of new software and then revert to the manual for more specific problem solving.

I know MacProVideo is coming out with a new Reason 5 series here in couple days I think. I looked at youtube real quick.... there were just so many videos.... most of which were posted by people that are either assuming you already know the basics.. or they're simply not very good at explaining things.

Hopefully this somewhat impulsive purchase will prove itself useful to my workflow.

[Slogun]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

uggg.... I did it... official Reason v5 owner. I simply couldn't resist after seeing Kong in action. A new DAW is about the last thing I need especially since my studio computer can't even run this until I upgrade the ol' G5. First version of Reason I've ever used. I know this is a pretty old program at this point and most everyone knows how this thing works... but man.. I'm going to need to do some serious manual reading. It's just soooo unlike a regular DAW... which is good... I think.... I'll mostly be using this in Rewire mode as a big ol' sound module, but I'de still like to get a grasp on it's sequencing capabilities.

Can anyone recommend some good tutorials? Sadly I've come to somewhat rely on tutorial videos for learning the basics of new software and then revert to the manual for more specific problem solving.

I know MacProVideo is coming out with a new Reason 5 series here in couple days I think. I looked at youtube real quick.... there were just so many videos.... most of which were posted by people that are either assuming you already know the basics.. or they're simply not very good at explaining things.

Hopefully this somewhat impulsive purchase will prove itself useful to my workflow.

Bought Reason 5 myself yesterday and it was ages ago since I used it. Will use it as a sound module rewired into Cubendo.

Think I saw a couple of tutorial vids in the program folder and they should also be reachable from within the Help-menu.

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by Slogun

Bought Reason 5 myself yesterday and it was ages ago since I used it. Will use it as a sound module rewired into Cubendo.

Think I saw a couple of tutorial vids in the program folder and they should also be reachable from within the Help-menu.

I saw those tutorials as well.., but they're more about the new features in v5 as opposed to some basic 'this is how the overal program works' kind of thing.

[balaperdida]

I love the Reason/Record duo, but can't for the life of me understand the people who feel the need to say it has anything on (or is anything like) ProTools. Different animals -- as they were meant to be.

That said, I'm mostly interested in upgrading my Reason so I can start playing with the Neptune module. That thing looks like nothing but fun.

EDIT--
As for tutorials... I found the ASK videos to be the best. They're incredibly cheesy, but also the most on-point, and cover basics as well as deeper functions in such a way that you are exposed to what you can do with the program. I thought that attempt to "inspire" creative use of the Reason modules was lacking in the other tutorials I tried out. You should be able to find cheap used DVDs on ebay, but failing that, PM me and I'll sell you mine.

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

uggg.... I did it... official Reason v5 owner. I simply couldn't resist after seeing Kong in action. A new DAW is about the last thing I need especially since my studio computer can't even run this until I upgrade the ol' G5. First version of Reason I've ever used. I know this is a pretty old program at this point and most everyone knows how this thing works... but man.. I'm going to need to do some serious manual reading. It's just soooo unlike a regular DAW... which is good... I think.... I'll mostly be using this in Rewire mode as a big ol' sound module, but I'de still like to get a grasp on it's sequencing capabilities.

Can anyone recommend some good tutorials? Sadly I've come to somewhat rely on tutorial videos for learning the basics of new software and then revert to the manual for more specific problem solving.

I know MacProVideo is coming out with a new Reason 5 series here in couple days I think. I looked at youtube real quick.... there were just so many videos.... most of which were posted by people that are either assuming you already know the basics.. or they're simply not very good at explaining things.

Hopefully this somewhat impulsive purchase will prove itself useful to my workflow.

I've had Reason for years and have felt kinda baffled by its layout, so I never used it. Felt similarly about Ableton Live. I have it but rarely use it, 'cause I don't quite grasp the concept. This is my fault, not Ableton's. Makes me feel kinda stupid. Basically, if you don't lay things out like a recording studio, you lose me. I'm dumb that way.

Recently, with Reason 5, a light dawned on me and I "get it" now. It's just an instrument. If you forget about everything else about it (the "mixer," the recorder, etc.) and just use it as an outboard instrument, you'll be fine.

- c

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Basically, if you don't lay things out like a recording studio, you lose me. I'm dumb that way.

That's pretty much exactly the way I feel too. I'll probably use it as a Rewire instrument most of the time,but still want to see what else it has to offer.

Originally Posted by balaperdida

I found the ASK videos to be the best.

Thanks for the tip. Never once purchased a tutorial series from them... maybe nows the time

[n8tron]

Benmrx,

Luckily Reason is not a DAW and instead a set of instruments and effects with a sequencer. It has a what you see is what you get interface so its very easy to learn and fun to use. You'll be up and running in no time.

[djanthonyw]

Originally Posted by balaperdida

That said, I'm mostly interested in upgrading my Reason so I can start playing with the Neptune module. That thing looks like nothing but fun.

Unfortunately it's only in Record.

[mdme_sadie]

It's well worth getting Record as well though, not just for Neptune, after all if you have both you don't really have two separately functioning apps, but instead one that has both apps features (Record), so it's just like adding functionality into Reason. It's worth it even if you don't need audio recording for the Mixer alone which really beefs up the sound in a good way.

[Anjo von Auen]

Originally Posted by ep1c0ne

Is it just me or does Record's mixer sound even better than the Slate VCC audio demos?

No, makes us two.
Seriously. Record, and especially the fantastic SSL 9000K mixer is probably the most underrated piece of software ever.

In some way, keeping this little secret to (our) myself suits me fine I guess..... I use Record for all small budget clients now, where going into an SSL or Neve room is out of the question.

The buss compressor and incredible time stretch algo alone are worth the money.
The Freemasons for instance used Record to Remix the latest Whitney Houston track "Million Dollar Bill".

[balaperdida]

Originally Posted by djanthonyw

Unfortunately it's only in Record.

I understand that, but you can only use Reason modules in Record 1.5 if you've upgraded to Reason5 -- and in the final analysis, I need those modules more than I need a vocal synth toy

[kdeuce]

Originally Posted by m.forbes

anyone here know if its possible to use reason 5 and a digi003 rack as the audio interface not running protools? and yes i already have the digi core audio manager.....i do this with logic for some reason its not working with reason, and im starting to think it cant be done...and if so i made a mistake with this purchase and need to sell asap

It is--I've never had a problem running reason thru my 003 rack. I go to audio options in Reason and route the output thru Digi spdif L/R as I'm using an external DAC. Works great for me--u may want to go back and check ur routing (software & hardware).

[lordnielson]

The console emulation and compressor in Record sounded excellent when I used the demo. Better than anything I'd tried at the time.

Had there been an import format like omf and vst or au support I'd still be on it for mixing for sure.

Good stuffs

[autohorse]

So... How/where do I load my favourite AUs in this baby?

What? No au or vst...still.

Or am I missing something?

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by autohorse

So... How/where do I load my favourite AUs in this baby?

What? No au or vst...still.

Or am I missing something?

Nope... no 3rd party anything with either Reason or Record.... without this fairly universally accepted necessity for a DAW I just don't see 'Record' as any kind of viable option. Just my opinion though. I really wish it wasn't the case though because I truely love the no-frills GUI and streamlined layout of 'Record'..., but I just can't live without Kontakt, Waves, Softube, etc.

[sameal]

gonna come right in here with this. just got the combo r5 & record 1.5


love reason. was working with 3 primarily as 4 was a horrendous piece of crap and sucked all the fun that 3 had completely out of the program and became something different and terrible. recycle is cumbersome and record just looked like a neutered d.a.w. to me.

then they hit me with the upgrade deal, and i saw the kong and sampling. hook line and sinker i took it.

everything is great in 5 & 1.5. but to compare record to a d.a.w. is just unfair. record is still in it's infancy and has alot of great things while at the same time missing many critical things to make it a program that could compete with other programs of that nature. but if your a reason user it's a no brainer picking up record. it expands your reason experience beyond the box. with record you can basically pluck the reason devices out of the program and into your rack for external instruments to use. better mixing options.

BUT:

no groups. really? yes really. even after two upgrades, no groups. there's ways to get around it sure, but there cumbersome.

creating one channel at a time. seriously. the tool window allows you to keep double clicking the channel you want how ever many of them you need, but it would be so much easier with a drop down menu to type a number into and just have them. you can also just put 10 or so channels in your start template and have them ready. but still. pain in the ass.

you have to map your control surfaces for every song or make it on the start template. not a huge deal, but again.

no backwards compatibility. back up those files boys! once you make the jump it's solid! and record 1.5 will only work with reason 5. bringing me to:

3 programs delivering you the functionality of 1. why not just make a reason suite? 1 program, 1 price?

destructive recording. you can and will record over something and lose it forever if your not careful. bringing us to:

no trashes folder. remember cubase where you could retrieve your trashes in case you might have deleted something you needed? not here.

recording a full band is cumbersome due to the fact of editing and recording functions. it just isn't as smooth try it out.




but reason 5 and record 1.5 are great and indispensable for the one man project. it's still a good program to have for sequencing and the like. record needs some work but is a great addition to 5, what it was intended to be. vst au guys are just gonna have to keep rewiring.

[ep1c0ne]

Originally Posted by Anjo von Auen

No, makes us two.
Seriously. Record, and especially the fantastic SSL 9000K mixer is probably the most underrated piece of software ever.

In some way, keeping this little secret to (our) myself suits me fine I guess..... I use Record for all small budget clients now, where going into an SSL or Neve room is out of the question.

The buss compressor and incredible time stretch algo alone are worth the money.
The Freemasons for instance used Record to Remix the latest Whitney Houston track "Million Dollar Bill".

Hey, thanks for your reply! I don't know what I should do right now I really like the sound of Record, but I won't be moving from Logic. So my choice is to either get the slate plugins when they come out so I can stay in Logic or to get Record and deal with working in two separate programs... decisions, decisions.

[Anjo von Auen]

If you are a Mac user there actually are possibilities to stream Logic into the Record mixer via Jack or SoundFlower. Check it out Here.

I've never tried it myself since I migrated to Reason, Record for pretty much all my music production and mixing work. The only projects I use Logic for is TV or Video Games work since R+R still don't support video yet and for jobs like these Symphobia, Vienna Instruments and others are just indispensable.

Another thought:

There is nothing wrong with composing in Logic, and then mixing in Record. At least since 1.1 multiple audio import is not a problem anymore...

I know one might say, most of the time you already ruff mix during the actual composing and production time. But to lay out a mix from scratch can often be extremely beneficial and the end result might benefit from such a procedure.

[projektk]

Only good for instrumentals, the ssl emulation is well you get what you pay for, need to save money go with cool edit pro now known as adobe audition.

[balaperdida]

Originally Posted by projektk

Only good for instrumentals, the ssl emulation is well you get what you pay for, need to save money go with cool edit pro now known as adobe audition.

Bollocks.

[Anjo von Auen]

Originally Posted by projektk

Only good for instrumentals, the ssl emulation is well you get what you pay for, need to save money go with cool edit pro now known as adobe audition.

[projektk]

duende and waves SSL suites actually have some decent analog emulation with some color, what I heard in record wasn't impressive at all. I mean reason is great if you can't front the money for a fantom, and is way better than a motif IMO. Record has some good features I just don't agree with the fact that it has no VST support, you could rewire it if you wanted but why not just use whatever audio program you are using to rewire.

I think they payed SSL to allow their name to be used, also if that's what a 9000k sounds like I never want a real one. anyways even when working on bigger projects we always send the reason sounds into pro tools and apply 3rd party eq's, compressors, etc, and use outboard gear. I'm just not impressed, for the price sure because I love reason, as your main recording suite, that's your choice.

it's just my opinion.

[Jedanor]

I received NFR copies of Reason / Record and am quite impressed. They don't tout it as a DAW so comparisons to legit DAW's may be a bit unfair at this juncture. I can say it is incredibly intuitive and easy to use and the on board sounds are great except for the drums (which I will Refill or patch BFD somehow). I heard some say the mixer sounds bad but I think it sounds great. I don't like having to rewire to get VST support but can live with that. One thing I love though is it hasn't crashed on me once. I love Cubase but I get at least 4 or 5 crashes a week which pisses me off. It seamlessly rewires and syncs to Cubase and has been a joy to work with. For my typical needs, I do not need a bloated program and this suite fits the bill.

YMMV,

Jed