Goldbaby's The Fat Juno 6

[Silver Sonya]

Take one classic synthesizer famous for its girth and weight.

Put a modern soon-to-be-classic piece of outboard in the chain as you print it.

Painstakingly edit and shape the sample set for musicality and playability.

The end result: another Goldbaby set created with love and precision.

Demo #5 is what sold me.

- c

[Dom & Roland]

These do sound great, I haven't heard a more useful set of juno samples before, Cheap too for what you get!

[2busdriver]

looks like a Fatso in the rack there.
Anyway, does sound very tempting

ha, yeah, UBK panel there too

[everythinglouder]

Excellent, thanks for the tip. Purchased and currently enjoying.

[kosmasepsilon]

demos sound awesome, downloading as we speak

[gm5k]

would love to see this as a Reason Refill

[Jens]

Just bought it. TOP NOTCH!!! Can't wait for Fatso Synths Vol.2 to come out.

Jens

[huggie]

Thanks for the mention Silver Sonya!

Glad you guys like it. It certainly is my favorite Goldbaby synth product so far.

The chorus on the Juno-6 is outstanding. It's the main reason this synth got it's own product...

Maybe I'll find a dead Juno-6 and pull out the chorus and get my synth fix-it guy to make a rack unit out of it.

Or maybe I can mod my Juno-6 with some ext inputs...


Hugo

[jude]

Originally Posted by huggie

Or maybe I can mod my Juno-6 with some ext inputs...

Hugo

im told its not too hard, ive played with one with inputs for the filter and chorus

[huggie]

Originally Posted by jude

im told its not too hard, ive played with one with inputs for the filter and chorus

Right that does it... my synth repair guy has got himself a new project!



Hugo

[screentan]

Man I just bought the Ultra Analog Starlight pack which is doing absolutely nothing for me. I could have put the money towards this instead. Oh well I guess that can be my charity for the week.

[lordnielson]

How do arpeggios and tempo work with samples?

[everythinglouder]

Originally Posted by lordnielson

How do arpeggios and tempo work with samples?

From the time I've spent with it so far, it appears he wrote Kontakt scripts to act in place of the Juno arpeggiator. The scripts call on the appropriate samples from the sample bank, and easily read the tempo from your DAW. There aren't tons of arp patches, but the ones he's made work excellently.

There's in fact a lot of Kontakt scripting throughout patches from each category.

It's obviously a meticulous product he's made. Worth every penny and more.

[lordnielson]

Originally Posted by everythinglouder

From the time I've spent with it so far, it appears he wrote Kontakt scripts to act in place of the Juno arpeggiator. The scripts call on the appropriate samples from the sample bank, and easily read the tempo from your DAW. There aren't tons of arp patches, but the ones he's made work excellently.

There's in fact a lot of Kontakt scripting throughout patches from each category.

It's obviously a meticulous product he's made. Worth every penny and more.

Thanks el. Makes it even harder to resist

[huggie]

Originally Posted by everythinglouder

From the time I've spent with it so far, it appears he wrote Kontakt scripts to act in place of the Juno arpeggiator. The scripts call on the appropriate samples from the sample bank, and easily read the tempo from your DAW. There aren't tons of arp patches, but the ones he's made work excellently.

There's in fact a lot of Kontakt scripting throughout patches from each category.

It's obviously a meticulous product he's made. Worth every penny and more.

The apr scripts actually comes standard with Kontakt... along with many other useful tools including a huminizing script and unison and portamento script I use quiet often...

I also like the Poly Step sequencer. I used it to seq demo number 5.



Hugo

[Agzilla]

So Kontakt version plays a lot better than EXS24 version?


Zz.

[huggie]

Originally Posted by Agzilla

So Kontakt version plays a lot better than EXS24 version?


Zz.

I wouldn't say that. In fact both samplers have their strengths and weakness.

Kontakt definitely has more features and is more "tweak-able". With some great filters!

However I like EXS24s 'fat' button! Plus I like it's unison and it's looping for sustain is smother ( it has eqPower cross fading which can really help).


However both samplers sound almost identical when playing back samples without any of the samplers filters or processing...


Hugo

[Tui]

Originally Posted by huggie

However both samplers sound almost identical when playing back samples without any of the samplers filters or processing...

A while ago, I did some phase cancellation tests. Without any filters engaged, both samplers sound the same.

[huggie]

Originally Posted by Tui

A while ago, I did some phase cancellation tests. Without any filters engaged, both samplers sound the same.

There you go.

Thanks for that Tui...


Hugo

[Jens]

I've always felt (since going from the Roland S-760) that the anti aliasing filter sounds worse in the EXS than Kontakt. Did you do the test playing the sound at the root key or did you pitch it up/down from the original?

It's an easy test that I could conduct myself, not just right now as I had a few drinks.
(If I remember I'll promise to post an octave +- test review tomorrow.

Jens

PS. Science is science and can't be argued with. So I guess you're right.

[Tui]

Originally Posted by Jens

Did you do the test playing the sound at the root key or did you pitch it up/down from the original?

No I didn't, only straight forward sample playback. If I remember correctly, I used the Scarbee Rhodes library. I had been convinced Kontakt sounded better, smoother, warmer. So I did the test.

No difference whatsoever.

[huggie]

Originally Posted by Jens

I've always felt (since going from the Roland S-760) that the anti aliasing filter sounds worse in the EXS than Kontakt. Did you do the test playing the sound at the root key or did you pitch it up/down from the original?

It's an easy test that I could conduct myself, not just right now as I had a few drinks.
(If I remember I'll promise to post an octave +- test review tomorrow.

Jens

PS. Science is science and can't be argued with. So I guess you're right.

Did you end up doing that octave test?

Hugo

[huggie]

By the way... I have also released some free stuff:


The FatJuno-6 Drums and FX - free sample pack.

Here are some free drums and FX created using the Juno-6 and UBK Fatso:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tgti2j4twhn/TheFatJuno Drums and FX.zip



The Fat H3500 - free multi-sample instruments!

For Kontakt 3 and EXS-24

I just purchased an Eventide H3500. This effects unit is simply amazing! I can see why it has gained legendary status. What I didn't know... until I got one, was that it could actually generate its own sound. Plug in a midi cable and you can play it! The sound is produced by using short delays with feedback to create resonators which give a sound similar to a resonating string.

I have sampled two patches from the H3500 through the UBK Fatso. It was necessary to do 4 round robin layers for each note sampled as the sound changes each time you hit a note. So the result is kind of organic, albeit in a electronic way...

Anyway enough waffling. Hope you enjoy these unusual sampled instruments.. I am! Download it here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/itk4ljmcrit/The_FatH3500.zip



Hugo

[Jens]

Originally Posted by huggie

Did you end up doing that octave test?

Hugo

Hmmm, this didn't come out the way I expected at all. At least thought that the root sample would null. If someone could verify, that would be terrific.

Settings - Setup:
Logic 9.1 32-bit on 10.6.2
File used: Delta_Osc1_Fatso_017
EXS set to 0db. Kontakt 3 set to 0db. MIDI notes to vel 127. Didn't even get the original root sample to null. For nulling I used the Gain plugin in Logic for the Kontakt instance. Just to avoid any latency confusion I engaged one on the the EXS24 as well. Without the phase flip
Offlined bounced to 24bit wav .No dither.

The first tone is transposed -2 octaves
2nd -1 octave
3rd root
4th +1 octave
5th +2 octaves

What makes me think I might be right, and the test is not flawed is that the sound changes when switching the HQI setting in Kontakt. To me that "proves" that something is going on inside the playback engine.
Again I could wrong. Well there's really no right or wrong as someone might prefer the sound of either player, my test (at least for now) just show they sound different.

Please burst my bubble
/Jens

[huggie]

Originally Posted by Jens

Hmmm, this didn't come out the way I expected at all. At least thought that the root sample would null. If someone could verify, that would be terrific.

Settings - Setup:
Logic 9.1 32-bit on 10.6.2
File used: Delta_Osc1_Fatso_017
EXS set to 0db. Kontakt 3 set to 0db. MIDI notes to vel 127. Didn't even get the original root sample to null. For nulling I used the Gain plugin in Logic for the Kontakt instance. Just to avoid any latency confusion I engaged one on the the EXS24 as well. Without the phase flip
Offlined bounced to 24bit wav .No dither.

The first tone is transposed -2 octaves
2nd -1 octave
3rd root
4th +1 octave
5th +2 octaves

What makes me think I might be right, and the test is not flawed is that the sound changes when switching the HQI setting in Kontakt. To me that "proves" that something is going on inside the playback engine.
Again I could wrong. Well there's really no right or wrong as someone might prefer the sound of either player, my test (at least for now) just show they sound different.

Please burst my bubble
/Jens

Thanks for that Jens...

Am I right in thinking the HQI defaults to the 'perfect' setting when you bounce?

Hugo

[Jens]

Hmmm, I don't know. The test don't show that. I mean if that were the case they would sound the same... I'm gonna print it again. If it sounds the same, which I really hope, otherwise something is terrible wrong with my setup

J

[Jens]

Here's the second part of the test. Same everything. It doesn't null. Almost does, except from the very initial attack. So I'd say it Nulls to 99%. Perhaps cancels out is a better choice of words here?

At least it show that the EXS and Kontakt are not created equally.

BTW, I'm aware of the setting you're referring to. Guess mine is set to Standard or High. Will change it to Perfect for future off line bounces.

/Jens

[Jens]

BTW, Hugo, you shouldn't worry bout this. Go on make more fantastic libraries instead
More synths please.

Cheers,
J

[Tui]

Make sure all filters are turned off.

[Jens]

Tui, No filters engaged. Do you mind doing your test again, and perhaps try the octave thing and see if you get different results then?

/J