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Old 2nd November 2009   #1
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wave arts tube saturator

just got an email from Wave Arts... who have entered the Warmth Wars.

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I very like this company and enjoy they stay in the game

thnx wavearts
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2 years and 2 months ago, Chris Randall from Audio Damage wrote on the KVR Audio forum: "As for the tube thing, you can rest assured that we won't ever do tube emulations or say we've made a tape delay or a spring reverb. All three of those things are essentially impossible to do in software; too many variables."

Let's see if WaveArts made the impossible, possible.
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demoed, fantastic sound but very high CPU load - unusable for tracking
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demoed, fantastic sound but very high CPU load - unusable for tracking
Yep 3 instances puts 1 core to it's knees.
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but it is magic in master track
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demoed, fantastic sound but very high CPU load - unusable for tracking
yep! CPU is RIDICOLOUS!!! in ableton it went up around 30% ...this can't be it! impossible to use
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yep! CPU is RIDICOLOUS!!! in ableton it went up around 30% ...this can't be it! impossible to use
it is because of very detailed modeling but sound is amazing
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will take a closer listen tomorrow. i don't doubt it sounds good but the cpu is barely possible for me atm.
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nice. if u dont have freeze cant really use it that much.
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Dr. Gardner is an audio DSP pioneer as far as I'm concerned, and WA is about as "no-hype" as they come... just real science by real scientists. Also, they provide excellent support. So, my money is on it being very good. I use something from Power Suite 5 just about every day. I do hope there will be an intro discount, and/or a discount for existing customers... mainly because I'm poor.
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"The circuit simulation technology is extremely CPU intensive"

i'ma try it out now
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This is cpu intensive but sounds really good imo
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mmm, ever with the eq all at 0 the eq still has a sound until you turn off the switch...
it can easily get crunchy...
so far it seems to have a decent tone and using the vstanalyzer i see how much harmonic content it adds... so far so good... i like it.. dont like that it rapes the cpu and im on a macpro.. but once i create the sound i want i might freeze it or use offline processing
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2 years and 2 months ago, Chris Randall from Audio Damage wrote on the KVR Audio forum: "As for the tube thing, you can rest assured that we won't ever do tube emulations or say we've made a tape delay or a spring reverb. All three of those things are essentially impossible to do in software; too many variables."

Let's see if WaveArts made the impossible, possible.
I love AD's stuff, but Chris isn't even a programmer.

I'm willing to give Wave Arts the benefit of the doubt, I'll give it a go!

Anyone who ever says "impossible" when it comes to tech is being a bit silly.

Won't put me off buying Eos one of these days though.
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This is cpu intensive but sounds really good imo
yes, it sounds amazing and different from the others
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It sounds simply impressive, IMHO the best tube emulation so far. It really gives mojo!
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what % of the mercury bundle sounds bad as far as todays plugins go?

if(i haven't heard it) this plug sounds great now, it will sound sound great in 4 or 5 years when we have 16core iphones and more cpu than we could ever use...
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Definitely look forward to trying this out. It's about time a more advanced model came out. Who cares about CPU consumption when you can print directly to a track? It's okay to commit every once in a while, and I have a feeling my vocal tracks will be seeing a lot of this plug-in if it really does sound great. I'd rather an accurate model and high consumption, rather than 0.5% consumption and a simplified, hack-job model and a pretty UI.
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I compared this to my SPL TwinTube, another tube saturation plugin.

The TwinTube uses slightly less CPU and sounds much, much better in my opinion. It costs $100 more but if I had neither plug-in I'd once again pick the SPL.
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In my opinion after comparing both of them, Wave Arts sounds much better and 100% tube-like.
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2 years and 2 months ago, Chris Randall from Audio Damage wrote on the KVR Audio forum: "As for the tube thing, you can rest assured that we won't ever do tube emulations or say we've made a tape delay or a spring reverb. All three of those things are essentially impossible to do in software; too many variables."
Well, maybe he can't.

As for this product, I'm interested in seeing what Wave Arts came up with. For adding pure 'tube flavor', it will have to battle SPL TwinTube IMO.
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Just got the demo – it sounds very smooth, even when driven hard. I didn’t compare it to other tube saturators, but I’ll do when I have some time. So far it’s quite good.
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Well, maybe he can't.
I guess that statement was more true 2 years ago, but it's an indication of which things are harder to emulate. It would also explain the high CPU power needed for this type of plug-in.

I'm thrilled though that plug-ins are making another step forwards and getting ever closer to their hardware counterparts; Softube TubeTech CL-1B, UAD Fatso & Elysia mPressor for example.

I'm also interested in a direct comparison (with soundfiles!) between SPL TwinTube & WaveArts Tube Saturator
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played with it a bit...really sounds smooth.

really interested in reading some more comparisons. i'm about to purchase something in this direction...also peeking at psp mix saturator (mix pack) which is surely more versatile. so...spl twin tube better than the wave arts?

for some reason wave arts, in general, barely gets any love here on GS...
wonder why....
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I think the reason why Wave Arts doesn't get much love is because basically for every one of their plugins, there's a PSP, Stillwell, or Voxengo counterpart for the same or less money and in my opinion, much better.

I'd be willing to provide audio examples for a shoot-out between SPL TwinTube, WA Tube Saturator, and the tube settings on URS Saturation. However right now I'm working on orchestral material so it might be a short while before I get to the proper sort of music for tube saturation...
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Last time i heard DUY had gone bust , The website looks ok however Nobody is getting any support and folk making purchases not receiving a product.
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Right, DUY website seems to have been update a couple of days ago, and seems to have updated products to Snow Leoppard. Updating his offers. Anyway, I've asked some questions to tech support, just to check there's anybody there, because I really like Dad Tape.
I've checked Tube Saturator and CPU it's really high, 3 plugins in a Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo, so to use it I have to change my workflow. So I'll remain using Millennia STT1 as external plugin for this task.
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I will give this a try. Now im using voxengo warmifier, and im very happy with its results.
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