wave arts tube saturator - Page 3

Coyoteous · 4th November 2009

Daniel: It's my understanding that as of V3, Duende is essentially native. And IMO, the main reason these companies use DSP today, is for copy protection. That said, I generally like DSP better. I've mostly used Pro Tools TDM systems for the last almost 15 years. But, DAW's themselves are native, and anything less than TDM/HD DAW/DSP integration is a kludge, as far as I'm concerned... mainly because of CPU to DSP data handling. Multi-core DAW's are still in their adolescence. You can't fight the future. Well, you can... but you probably shouldn't. Who knows though, maybe this OpenCL/CUDA business will catch on for audio. Back on-topic... how's EQ part of this plug-in?

Daniel Flores · 4th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

Daniel: It's my understanding that as of V3, Duende is essentially native. And IMO, the main reason these companies use DSP today, is for copy protection. That said, I generally like DSP better. I've mostly used Pro Tools TDM systems for the last almost 15 years. But, DAW's themselves are native, and anything less than TDM/HD DAW/DSP integration is a kludge, as far as I'm concerned... mainly because of CPU to DSP data handling. Multi-core DAW's are still in their adolescence. You can't fight the future. Well, you can... but you probably shouldn't. Who knows though, maybe this OpenCL/CUDA business will catch on for audio. Back on-topic... how's EQ part of this plug-in?

Yeah, it used to be DSP but now it's partly Native...
correct but still, DSP!!!!!!

Daniel

V PETERO · 4th November 2009

I demoed this thing yesterday, and as much as I tried to love it I couldnt in the end I jst uninstaled it went back to using tal-tube and buying urs saturation next month and these 2 should cover me as far as saturation goes

I am not saying it is a bad plugin, all I am saying is it simply did not work for me aswell as Tal-tube did.

kreeper_6 · 4th November 2009

I dunno, sounds like WA needs a DSP dongle to help out those struggling i7's.

The dman · 4th November 2009

A mix knob would be a nice addition thumbsup

fonman · 4th November 2009

I liked it. Scoped out with a harmonic profile that looked very similar to my Lexicon 284 preamp. However, I have so many ABP (already been purchased) ways of getting harmonic saturation, that I can't really bring myself to buy more. But after testing, I would rate this among the top of my favorites.

BlackBackDrop · 4th November 2009

Just for fun I processed each track in CB5 with the warm a mix preset and wow! @96k 24 bit this baby sounds great.... I did not get that digital irritation I so often find when mixing in the box.

Took me years to figure out that is was the sound of digital that was irritating me after around 1 to 2 hours of mixing. Once I realised this phenomena it was easy to manage, just take a break, but...

Today I mixed for 3 1/2 hours with no irritation with the Flu. I had so much fun I forgot I was ill and time flu (pardon the pun) by...

WaveArts; you guys have made the audio version of Night Nurse, thanks...

Hardtoe · 4th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Flores

Then again (looking through your gear list), you probably wont hear any difference when listening in your Events... figures...

Sorry, I wasted my time.

D

Sorry my gear doesn't measure up - that list is old BTW - I now use KRK VXT 8's with the Ergo in a treated room with Avantones as 2nd's (Ensemble is my soundcard) - and my most important equipment, my ears, do work just fine. (I'll probably take flack for this as the VXT's seem to be on the lame list here...)

BTW

I am not hating, just trying to point out that dedicated DSP creates is own problems and is much more expensive than a fast computer - It seems a bit unusual to prefer one calculator over another, as long as the equation comes out right. Why not save the cash on cards and buy better converters to upgrade the whole package?

Sorry to all readers for my semi-prickish reply - it was not cool.

Anyway, enough with the hijack...

TBlizz · 4th November 2009

Right, back on topic. I've made some MP3-files featuring WaveArts Tube Saturator on both bass & drums. The source-files were peaking at -0.1 dB and I tried to make the processed files as close to that without going over. I used two standard presets "Subtle Tube Warmth" & "Tube Crunch". I also made a file with VirSyn VTape with 2dB compression inserted after the Tube Saturator.

You can download the files from MediaFire here:

Bass
Drums

Jidis · 4th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBlizz

You can download the files from MediaFire here:

TBlizz- Are these links dead? They just bounce me over to the main MediaFire page with no download or link info.

-Thanks!

DivineMusic · 4th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackback Drop

Just for fun I processed each track in CB5 with the warm a mix preset and wow! @96k 24 bit this baby sounds great.... I did not get that digital irritation I so often find when mixing in the box.

Took me years to figure out that is was the sound of digital that was irritating me after around 1 to 2 hours of mixing. Once I realised this phenomena it was easy to manage, just take a break, but...

Today I mixed for 3 1/2 hours with no irritation with the Flu. I had so much fun I forgot I was ill and time flu (pardon the pun) by...

WaveArts; you guys have made the audio version of Night Nurse, thanks...

i basically did the same thing...but in nuendo 4.2.
the warm a mix preset just changed a little... a little less on the high and lowend... and turned up the drive to 5.. backed off the output just a little to make sure nothing would clip and yes, it sounded amazing...

muzikhead · 5th November 2009

Finally found few minutes to try out and I love it!
I was very positively surprised by the musicality and smoothness of the EQ. Very little went a long way but even big boosts sounded fantastic. It didn't give me the usual synthetic sound I get from most Plug-in EQ's out there and it sounded _Real_.
Wave Arts did a fantastic job on this and with CPUs getting faster by the minute (New Processor Will Feature 100 Cores | Gadget Lab | Wired.com) I'm not concerned by its needs for power. They proved it can be done. thumbsup

P.S.
I really like JustinAiken's "virtual circuit builder" idea. Any chance it'll become a reality?

Cheers

Joel C · 5th November 2009

I love what it does to the upper mids on my dist gtrs bus.
Monitoring through Mytek Dac -> Adam S2.5 & Sub 10

On Mac Pro 4-core and logic, can only load 2 instances with the rest of my plugs running... wow... need to spend on a new 12-core mac pro to run this plug... :D

shadyru · 5th November 2009

Blackdrop any chance you can post a clip of both mixes?

I would love to hear the difference

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackback Drop

Just for fun I processed each track in CB5 with the warm a mix preset and wow! @96k 24 bit this baby sounds great.... I did not get that digital irritation I so often find when mixing in the box.

Took me years to figure out that is was the sound of digital that was irritating me after around 1 to 2 hours of mixing. Once I realised this phenomena it was easy to manage, just take a break, but...

Today I mixed for 3 1/2 hours with no irritation with the Flu. I had so much fun I forgot I was ill and time flu (pardon the pun) by...

WaveArts; you guys have made the audio version of Night Nurse, thanks...

Beto_larski · 5th November 2009

Wow! Im sold! This plugin nails it down! It really can add some subtle enhancement, kind of a sweet "upfront" sound. Im using it on the mastering stage after a compressor and i think it rocks. Congratulations Wavearts, this plugins is trully a breakthru!

PS: Of course you'll need decent monitoring to perceive these changes. Here i'm using Dynaudios BM6 and it impressed me at the first try!

baslotto · 5th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadyru

Blackdrop any chance you can post a clip of both mixes?

I would love to hear the difference

Same here.

TBlizz · 5th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jidis

TBlizz- Are these links dead? They just bounce me over to the main MediaFire page with no download or link info.

-Thanks!

Jidis · 5th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBlizz

Hope this helps!

Indeed, and thanks!

Daniel Flores · 5th November 2009

I tried it on a rock singer, pushing the mids with slite satur. this plugin is going to be a winner in a master chain and on vox it's a great too.

I'm gonna get this one even if CPU is high, as long as they sound this good it' a winner for me.

Daniel

BlackBackDrop · 5th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadyru

Blackdrop any chance you can post a clip of both mixes?

I would love to hear the difference

Sure, Will have to ask client first... but I could do the same with my own music.

JP06 · 6th November 2009

Doesn't sound quite as good as my Svetlana 12AX7's, but for emulation it's the best I've heard so far.

futur2 · 6th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBlizz

Hope this helps!

thanks!
sounds really good compared to vtape

TBlizz · 6th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by futur2

thanks!
sounds really good compared to vtape

It's Tube Saturator and VTape in serie. I quite like VTape and how it 'adsorbs' some of the 'bite' of the Tube Saturator.

futur2 · 6th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBlizz

It's Tube Saturator and VTape in serie. I quite like VTape and how it 'adsorbs' some of the 'bite' of the Tube Saturator.

ah sorry, didn't get that. not so sure i like it that much in series...

a1236040 · 6th November 2009

dfegad Another fake plugin - NO tube emulation - with digital sound - ouch my ears !!!

The only plugin that emulate the real harmonic and dynamic by tubes is Nebula with CD SoundMaster and Alessandro Boschi - AlexB libraries.
In the topic on acustica audio forum about wavearts tube saturator / nebula

Jazz Thieves · 6th November 2009

[QUOTE=a1236040;4754825]dfegad Another fake tube emulation with digital sound - ouch my ears !!!

By definition you cannot have a 'fake' emulation Its either an emulation or its not

Put it down to a language barrier

I think it sounds really good. I put a compressor straight after it and automated in the drive and mid range slowly over 16 bars hence turning a little knocking bass into a big growling angry bear. Would like to buy but the Elysia and DSM demos run out in a couple of days and thats gonna be a battering on the pocket.

a1236040 · 6th November 2009

Fake plugin, NO tube emulation. Sound harsh, digital, compressed and narrow. Bleah

Listen the differeces with REAL tube gears and you will agree

kreeper_6 · 6th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP06

Doesn't sound quite as good as my Svetlana 12AX7's, but for emulation it's the best I've heard so far.

I do agree, I think this is the best sounding tube simulation but you can't beat the real thing...You just can't.

frenkonio · 6th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Flores

you probably wont hear any difference when listening in your Event

What's the matter, man? I'm working with ASP8's from many years and I can tell you the difference between a good/bad record, a good/bad plugin. The difference is in the ears, I hope you know that.

windsongstudios · 8th November 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by cane creek

Last time i heard DUY had gone bust , The website looks ok however Nobody is getting any support and folk making purchases not receiving a product.

Thats odd. I just bought Valve,Tape, and the Everpack a couple months ago and everything went through fine.

4th November 2009	#64
kreeper_6 Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,374	I dunno, sounds like WA needs a DSP dongle to help out those struggling i7's. __________________ Talk about dongles; I think the MAC PRO is the most expensive dongle ever! fuuck I'm a PC and Windows 7 was MY idea!

4th November 2009	#69
TBlizz Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 373	Right, back on topic. I've made some MP3-files featuring WaveArts Tube Saturator on both bass & drums. The source-files were peaking at -0.1 dB and I tried to make the processed files as close to that without going over. I used two standard presets "Subtle Tube Warmth" & "Tube Crunch". I also made a file with VirSyn VTape with 2dB compression inserted after the Tube Saturator. You can download the files from MediaFire here: Bass Drums

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4th November 2009	#61
Coyoteous Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,131	Daniel: It's my understanding that as of V3, Duende is essentially native. And IMO, the main reason these companies use DSP today, is for copy protection. That said, I generally like DSP better. I've mostly used Pro Tools TDM systems for the last almost 15 years. But, DAW's themselves are native, and anything less than TDM/HD DAW/DSP integration is a kludge, as far as I'm concerned... mainly because of CPU to DSP data handling. Multi-core DAW's are still in their adolescence. You can't fight the future. Well, you can... but you probably shouldn't. Who knows though, maybe this OpenCL/CUDA business will catch on for audio. Back on-topic... how's EQ part of this plug-in?

4th November 2009	#63
V PETERO Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: LONDON UK Posts: 257	I demoed this thing yesterday, and as much as I tried to love it I couldnt in the end I jst uninstaled it went back to using tal-tube and buying urs saturation next month and these 2 should cover me as far as saturation goes I am not saying it is a bad plugin, all I am saying is it simply did not work for me aswell as Tal-tube did.

4th November 2009	#65
The dman Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,771	A mix knob would be a nice addition thumbsup

4th November 2009	#66
fonman Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 196	I liked it. Scoped out with a harmonic profile that looked very similar to my Lexicon 284 preamp. However, I have so many ABP (already been purchased) ways of getting harmonic saturation, that I can't really bring myself to buy more. But after testing, I would rate this among the top of my favorites.

4th November 2009	#67
BlackBackDrop Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Warwick UK Posts: 572	Just for fun I processed each track in CB5 with the warm a mix preset and wow! @96k 24 bit this baby sounds great.... I did not get that digital irritation I so often find when mixing in the box. Took me years to figure out that is was the sound of digital that was irritating me after around 1 to 2 hours of mixing. Once I realised this phenomena it was easy to manage, just take a break, but... Today I mixed for 3 1/2 hours with no irritation with the Flu. I had so much fun I forgot I was ill and time flu (pardon the pun) by... WaveArts; you guys have made the audio version of Night Nurse, thanks...

5th November 2009	#72
muzikhead Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 60	Finally found few minutes to try out and I love it! I was very positively surprised by the musicality and smoothness of the EQ. Very little went a long way but even big boosts sounded fantastic. It didn't give me the usual synthetic sound I get from most Plug-in EQ's out there and it sounded _Real_. Wave Arts did a fantastic job on this and with CPUs getting faster by the minute (New Processor Will Feature 100 Cores \| Gadget Lab \| Wired.com) I'm not concerned by its needs for power. They proved it can be done. thumbsup P.S. I really like JustinAiken's "virtual circuit builder" idea. Any chance it'll become a reality? Cheers

5th November 2009	#73
Joel C Gear Head Join Date: May 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 36	I love what it does to the upper mids on my dist gtrs bus. Monitoring through Mytek Dac -> Adam S2.5 & Sub 10 On Mac Pro 4-core and logic, can only load 2 instances with the rest of my plugs running... wow... need to spend on a new 12-core mac pro to run this plug... :D

5th November 2009	#75
Beto_larski Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 64	Wow! Im sold! This plugin nails it down! It really can add some subtle enhancement, kind of a sweet "upfront" sound. Im using it on the mastering stage after a compressor and i think it rocks. Congratulations Wavearts, this plugins is trully a breakthru! PS: Of course you'll need decent monitoring to perceive these changes. Here i'm using Dynaudios BM6 and it impressed me at the first try!

5th November 2009	#79
Daniel Flores 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Stockholm / Sweden Posts: 246	I tried it on a rock singer, pushing the mids with slite satur. this plugin is going to be a winner in a master chain and on vox it's a great too. I'm gonna get this one even if CPU is high, as long as they sound this good it' a winner for me. Daniel

6th November 2009	#81
JP06 Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26	Doesn't sound quite as good as my Svetlana 12AX7's, but for emulation it's the best I've heard so far.

6th November 2009	#85
a1236040 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BO - IT Posts: 330	dfegad Another fake plugin - NO tube emulation - with digital sound - ouch my ears !!! The only plugin that emulate the real harmonic and dynamic by tubes is Nebula with CD SoundMaster and Alessandro Boschi - AlexB libraries. In the topic on acustica audio forum about wavearts tube saturator / nebula

6th November 2009	#86
Jazz Thieves Gear nut Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford UK Posts: 131	[QUOTE=a1236040;4754825]dfegad Another fake tube emulation with digital sound - ouch my ears !!! By definition you cannot have a 'fake' emulation Its either an emulation or its not Put it down to a language barrier I think it sounds really good. I put a compressor straight after it and automated in the drive and mid range slowly over 16 bars hence turning a little knocking bass into a big growling angry bear. Would like to buy but the Elysia and DSM demos run out in a couple of days and thats gonna be a battering on the pocket.