Melodyne DNA

[gregerlindberg]

melodyne editor is in public beta.
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.ph...cts_editor&L=0

Anyone tried it out yet?
How does it work, is any good?


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[woodhenge]

Yep, I've been playing with the beta for a week now... I am impressed, to say the least! It sounds great, and DNA works as promised. It's just like how it works in the demo vids on their site.

Solo polyphonic instrument tracks are totally editable, but the results get more unpredictable as you add more instruments to the mix. And, for the record, trying to mess with drum beats in completed songs doesn't work. Isolating one instrument in a mix is impossible due to the harmonic overlap, but that's really not a deal-breaker for me... it was never supposed to be able to do that stuff in the first place!

Being able to change a instrument part's key or scale is quite impressive. I did a major-key version of the intro to "Stairway To Heaven" that had my friends' jaws on the floor! It's just like the old version of Melodyne, just polyphonic. As amazing as always, but even more so!

Needless to say, they're gonna get my $$$'s for the upgrade when it's avaliable! Between this and Logic's flex editing, there's gonna be a lot more abuse of technology out there!

[baslotto]

It's crazy how many people were waiting for this thing to come out and yet just a handful of comments are showing up after more than a week. Is anybody gonna find a use to this super-technology in their workflow or will it die faster than predicted?

[CuzCutz]

Originally Posted by baslotto

will it die faster than predicted?

The Death of Melodyne!?? Who predicted that???

[AudioWonderland]

Originally Posted by baslotto

It's crazy how many people were waiting for this thing to come out and yet just a handful of comments are showing up after more than a week. Is anybody gonna find a use to this super-technology in their workflow or will it die faster than predicted?

Its a beta that is not available to everyone...I'm sure it will be off the charts popular. Apparently you ddon't even need to record. just rearrange the chords in old projects...

[woodhenge]

Originally Posted by baslotto

It's crazy how many people were waiting for this thing to come out and yet just a handful of comments are showing up after more than a week. Is anybody gonna find a use to this super-technology in their workflow or will it die faster than predicted?

I think it'll become an under-the-radar studio staple, just like Melodyne 3. I'm sure everybody will use it in a unique way. It does so much cool stuff now that it's almost overwhelming!

I do agree that it's been weird not to hear about many people checking it out, though. On all the boards I'm on, I seem to be the only user so far.

Oh well... I guess that gives me a head start to learning the tricks!

[unclejoe]

I'm using it.....

Interesting. I've allready found a couple of applications for it that I hadn't considered before... hmmmmnn.

It will be most interesting when it can be used as the plugin with your daw and not just standalone

[zboy2854]

And now the old joke has truly come to fruition:

Musician to engineer after he finishes a take: "So how was that?"

Engineer to musician: "That sucked, come on in!"

[woodhenge]

Originally Posted by zboy2854

And now the old joke has truly come to fruition:

Musician to engineer after he finishes a take: "So how was that?"

Engineer to musician: "That sucked, come on in!"

I hate to say it, but I've been that engineer a time or two! But, really, it's all about keeping from wasting time. I'd rather spend 15 minutes in Melodyne fixing a vocal that's pretty close than waste 2 or 3 4-hour blocks waiting for an unprepared singer to finally do "the take". Talk about beating a dead horse...

[Oli P]

I just tuned a soprano singing with a symphony orchestra...and she had a sharp note.
I only had the stereo mix to work with, and it really worked to just tune her bad note.

But I get the feeling that it will be about luck too when it works or not...this time was lucky, and no other tool could have done this at all.

[baslotto]

Originally Posted by Oli P

I get the feeling that it will be about luck too when it works or not...this time was lucky, and no other tool could have done this at all.

Same type of experience here, I agree 100% with you.

[jamwerks]

I read a bit on the Melodyne Forum that the audio to midi on multiphonic materiel gives bad timing on some of the notes. Too bad. I see that as one of the most interesting aspects.

[woodhenge]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

I read a bit on the Melodyne Forum that the audio to midi on multiphonic materiel gives bad timing on some of the notes. Too bad. I see that as one of the most interesting aspects.

I had this issue, too... until I watched the video on how to correct the note detection. That seemed to straighten things out for me. The Celemony guy says it's much more critical to check this for DNA to give accurate results.

[jamwerks]

I was thinking about turning audio drum loops into midi, would DNA do that ? With different "pitches" for the various elements?

And what about in the context of a full mix? Could we still get a good picture of what all the various element of the drums are doing?

[woodhenge]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

I was thinking about turning audio drum loops into midi, would DNA do that ? With different "pitches" for the various elements?

And what about in the context of a full mix? Could we still get a good picture of what all the various element of the drums are doing?

To deal with drums, you still need to use percussive mode otherwise you'll get really strange results. It's not possible to just drop in a drum loop and have it spit out midi, but I have created midi drum parts by singling out hits and re-combining them in Logic. (Mainly for drum replacement, but now Logic 9 has that built in...)

As I stated above in post #2, it's not designed to handle full mixes. Melodyne Editor in polyphonic mode only sees pitches... so drum overtones get split up and combined with guitar parts, cymbal harmonics end up being combined with vocal harmonics, etc... Being able to fully manipulate drums in a complete mix isn't possible, but you'd have a good chance of being able to correct an out-of-tune vocal or bass guitar in a finished mix.

I have to say, it does what it's designed to do EXTREMELY well. Once you start to deviate from it's intended purpose, the more unpredictable and unreliable things get.

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by woodhenge

To deal with drums, you still need to use percussive mode otherwise you'll get really strange results. It's not possible to just drop in a drum loop and have it spit out midi, but I have created midi drum parts by singling out hits and re-combining them in Logic. (Mainly for drum replacement, but now Logic 9 has that built in...).

Yes it seems that DNA was designed (and rightfully so) more as a pitch tool. I think that Massey has (or had?) a plug that did just that for drum loops, but only for RTAS, TDM.

[jamwerks]

Just listened to a John William cue for which no score is available, with some harmonic passages that I love, but that have allways eluded me ! Then I remebered that DNA is coming !

[jgharding]

It was amazing for tidying up my ham-fisted bass playing! It picked out every note i left ringing so I could delete them, let me tighten up the rhythm with time stretching and allowed me to change the volume of each note: very good! Literally no other software could do that.

I also tried to seperate acoustic guitar from voice in a one-mic recording, but this wasn't successful. The detection picked up every single note in the guiatr playing amazingly, but upon editing any of them the resultant artifacts were too obvious. Success appears to be very application-specific, but as both a creative and workhorse tool I think I'm already hooked.

[salomonander]

so whats the point of this program? its gonnad help even more untalented singers to make a demo cd that will never ever get released?
help people to transcribe notes without having a clue about score? hell yeah lets get a whole bunch of even more illiterate dumbasses in music as we have now.
i remember my piano teacher giving me "donna lee" as my first transcribing challange.
yes, its was pain. but i learned something. this programm inspires you to learn nothing...even more crap records. this is so sad.

[Gemylon]

Originally Posted by salomonander

so whats the point of this program? its gonnad help even more untalented singers to make a demo cd that will never ever get released?
help people to transcribe notes without having a clue about score? hell yeah lets get a whole bunch of even more illiterate dumbasses in music as we have now.
i remember my piano teacher giving me "donna lee" as my first transcribing challange.
yes, its was pain. but i learned something. this programm inspires you to learn nothing...even more crap records. this is so sad.

You got it sooo wrong man.
I mean who are you to say what is, and what is not ?
Let people work the way they want, don't spit on them...

If and when you start using Melodyne DNA now and then,
you realize that its a sweet (little) tool for small musical corrections.
Its not gonna make you write all those great songs anyway.

So, download the Demo, and then you'll find out what It could do for you.
You might like it a bit...


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[javahut]

Originally Posted by salomonander

so whats the point of this program? its gonnad help even more untalented singers to make a demo cd that will never ever get released?

So I guess punching in and comping takes is out of the question, too?

Recorded music can stand on it's own. Great recorded music is a worthwhile goal and great achievement, irrespective of whether anyone intends to ever perform it live. If DNA as a new technology allows and inspires artists to make great recorded music, so much the better. Anyone who thinks every recorded sound must be able to be duplicated exactly by a human in a live performance... by all means, please feel free to NOT use DNA. But also know you're missing a great part of what recorded sound and music is capable of. Technical command of an instrument and/or music theory does not neccessarily guarantee great music. I've heard many technically accomplished virtuosos play (and score) boring music.

[funka]

Out now!
We can upgrade to Melodyne Editor.

[Gemylon]

Is it really true that Celemony charge the same amount in US dollars as in Euro ???

I hope I am missing something here,
or otherwise their price policy is way out of line !



To my knowledge, one (1) US $ ≈ 0.672 Euro €




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[RBrownWakefield]

Just been researching this one myself.

Editor is £319 GBP at the Celemony store.

I (literally 5 minutes ago) bought a download version of Melodyne Plug-In (which gives me a free update to Editor) at JRRShop for $249 USD which is about £151 GBP!

Still waiting for the serial number though so let's see if it all works ok...

[Ciaccona]

Originally Posted by RBrownWakefield

Just been researching this one myself.

Editor is £319 GBP at the Celemony store.

I (literally 5 minutes ago) bought a download version of Melodyne Plug-In (which gives me a free update to Editor) at JRRShop for $249 USD which is about £151 GBP!

Still waiting for the serial number though so let's see if it all works ok...

I thought the grace period for the upgrade exceeded in june.
I bought in september and think I don't qualify for the free upgrade (I thought I would when I bought though)

Please report.

[RBrownWakefield]

Originally Posted by Ciaccona

I thought the grace period for the upgrade exceeded in june.
I bought in september and think I don't qualify for the free upgrade (I thought I would when I bought though)

Please report.

From the Celemony website...


"For a free update from Melodyne plugin to Melodyne editor, the watershed is the 12th March 2008. For anyone with a Melodyne plugin registered after that date, the update is free."

[jamwerks]

So what's the difference now between "Editor" and "Studio"? Would be nice to see a feature comparison table...

[RBrownWakefield]

Originally Posted by jamwerks

So what's the difference now between "Editor" and "Studio"? Would be nice to see a feature comparison table...

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[mauroiul]

This program will change nowadays music...who cannot see it's blind

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by RBrownWakefield

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