112 db Redline EQ is out!

[V PETERO]

So I went on the 112db site went through the usual hastles then at the end this is what appeared.

VAT 19% - £12.88
What in God's name is this.
firstly I thought VAT was inclusive in the £67.77
secondly I am from the UK where VAT is 15% not 19% so please enlighten me because I am confused right now.

total price is £80.65

if indeed the price is £80.65 why not list it as such to avoid confusion.

don't misunderstand me, I still think the price is fair but I would've prefered to know this from start rather than half way through my order only to cancel it as I never anticipated that and only deposited required funds in that card.

Never mind my ranting jst gattered I never got to buy the eq today as I've been luving the demo especially using the dynamic eq as a desser which is actually the primary reason I am buying this eq
(to be usd as a desser)

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by V PETERO

VAT 19% - £12.88
What in God's name is this.
firstly I thought VAT was inclusive in the £67.77
secondly I am from the UK where VAT is 15% not 19% so please enlighten me because I am confused right now.

when you live in the EU you pay the VAT rate of the country where the business is located that you're purchasing the goods from. if the business were in the UK you'd pay 15%. They're not, they're selling from a country that has a 19% VAT rate so that's what you have to pay, unfortunately. that's just the way the law works.

some companies (thomann.de, for example) get around it by actually setting up satellite offices in other countries so they can charge "local" VAT rates which can be advantageous to their customers, but you have to have a pretty high turnover to go to those lengths considering the extra accounting expense.

[V PETERO]

Originally Posted by terminal3

when you live in the EU you pay the VAT rate of the country where the business is located that you're purchasing the goods from. if the business were in the UK you'd pay 15%. They're not, they're selling from a country that has a 19% VAT rate so that's what you have to pay, unfortunately. that's just the way the law works.

some companies (thomann.de, for example) get around it by actually setting up satellite offices in other countries so they can charge "local" VAT rates which can be advantageous to their customers, but you have to have a pretty high turnover to go to those lengths considering the extra accounting expense.

guess my only problem is if they listed the price with VAT inclusive then I would plan for that but like I said the price is still very reasonable for the dynamic eq section alone. guess I'll heve to wait till next week to buy it. lets hope the introductory price dont end next week.

cheers for your help though

[dj! (112dB)]

Just for the record: we do list separate prices for inside/outside Europe--the former in € with 19% VAT already included (as is customary in Europe), and the latter in $ without VAT (and none will be added).

Unfortunately, sometimes the online store is unable to correctly detect a customer's physical location--as in your case. At first it determines from your IP address that you're outside Europe, directs you to the $ store, then (once you are finalizing your order) realizes from your shipping address that you are inside Europe after all, and hence (to compensate for this) adds 19% VAT. (As another poster explained the VAT rate is always 19% regardless of your location because 112dB are located in the Netherlands.)

So in short: the added VAT is a glitch that the online store tries to correct.

Even so the bottom line shd be about the same price as if you had been directed to the correct (inside Europe) store. (In fact it will be a slight bit lower because we handle lower $ prices to compensate for the 19% VAT.) If you run into this glitch and prefer to deal with € from the start (and have no 19% VAT added later on) contact me and we'll sort it out.

Thanks & my apologies for the confusion,

-- dj!

[mattyc]

got real problems with this plugin and latency, cubase 5.0.1, osx 10.5.8 on a mac pro desktop, 3840 ms latency but the auto compensation isnt working :(

any ideas ?

[DeadPoet]

Downloaded this to try it. Sounds nice but.......

(windows XP, cubase 5.01)

*) I have a 2 screen setup with both screens tilted 90° (takes less horizontal space and gets more tracks per screen in the arranger). The left screen has the taskbar cubase is not maximized but stretched over both windows. If the Redline EQ is on the left screen and I click the HPF/LPF dB/oct knob the menu actually displays on the right screen at the height it should be if it would've been on the left screen!

*) in the same situation as above, if I clikc any of the band types I get a "serious warning" by Cubase.


*) When doing some null testing I found out the latency is way off. Running a kick sample through 2 group tracks (one dry and one with redline eq) and recording that to two separate tracks shows me that the redline signal is 763 samples early in time.






Herwig

[mattyc]

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

*) When doing some null testing I found out the latency is way off. Running a kick sample through 2 group tracks (one dry and one with redline eq) and recording that to two separate tracks shows me that the redline signal is 763 samples early in time.






Herwig

theres a new version (1.03) where the latency problems are supposed to be fixed once and for all. havent had a chance to test that for myself yet but will monday morning thumbsup

[Izzi]

1.0.3 is causing Pro Tools to crash on my system...


PowerMac G5 DualCore 2.3 (PPC) with 8GB of RAM, Tiger 10.4.11,
Digidesign Digi 002 (Console), Pro Tools LE 7.4cs10

[Gemylon]

Originally Posted by izzi

1.0.3 is causing Pro Tools to crash on my system...

Mine too !

Back to 1.0.2...




G

ProTools LE 8.0.3 / Digi003Console / MacPro2.8Quad18GBRAM / SnowLeopard 10.6.2

[Gemylon]

After deleting 1.0.3 and then installing 1.0.2 again,
everything is back working just fine.

Just glad I kept a copy of 1.0.2


Love this EQ !


G

[dj! (112dB)]

Hmmm... looks like the OS X/RTAS 1.0.3 version messes up something somewhere. Needless to say it's working like a charm here but apparently that doesn't tell the whole story. Will investigate and hopefully come up with a fix ASAP.

Happy new year,

-- dj!

Edit: just to make sure I actually downloaded the 1.03 installer from our site and installed it a clean test (not development) machine, and of course no problems here (PT 8.0.3)... :( Does it actually crash when PT is loading? And would either of you happen to have a crash report I could check? (It shd be in ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter and be called something with "Protools" in it.) Thanks in advance!

[V PETERO]

using 1.03 in logic and I am glad the latency finally got fixed. works like a charm so far.

[Gemylon]

Originally Posted by dj!

... And would either of you happen to have a crash report I could check? (It shd be in ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter and be called something with "Protools" in it.) Thanks in advance!

Just sent you mine at 112db support E-mail...


Cheers

G

[dj! (112dB)]

Thanks much for that! I'll investigate tomorrow (as it's almost 10PM here now) and report back here. Fingers crossed that it tells me something useful!

-- dj!

Originally Posted by Gemylon

Just sent you mine at 112db support E-mail...


Cheers

G

[Gemylon]

Originally Posted by dj!

... Does it actually crash when PT is loading?

No, It did not crash when i loaded PT,
but PT crashed when loading the PlugIn.
It just quit !



G

[Izzi]

Originally Posted by Gemylon

No, It did not crash when i loaded PT,
but PT crashed when loading the PlugIn.
It just quit !



G

Same here, so there is no Crash Report...

[duckoff]

I don't really need another Eq ( got epure, waves classics etc etc ) but am demoing this Eq & have to say it's killer, it's got it all, the only thing holding me back is the ( unavoidable ) latency of operating in LP mode.

If a 'zero' latency MP mode was introduced I'd be on it in a flash.

Really great work either way.

[fragletrollet]

Originally Posted by duckoff

If a 'zero' latency MP mode was introduced I'd be on it in a flash.

Really great work either way.

I Agree. Would be nice with a "zero latency" version (without the LP features then I guess). Would buy it then.

[dj! (112dB)]

The good news is that a zero-latency mode is at the very top of our wish list for v2--though as you already mention some of the features will have to be disabled for it. Definitely the variable phase but possibly the dynamic EQ as well; I can't tell for certain at this point.

-- dj!

[danander11]

Originally Posted by dj! (112dB)

The good news is that a zero-latency mode is at the very top of our wish list for v2--though as you already mention some of the features will have to be disabled for it. Definitely the variable phase but possibly the dynamic EQ as well; I can't tell for certain at this point.

-- dj!

Hmmmm..... This is good and bad news... I love the EQ but hate the latency... I'm demo'ing it based on comments from some folks that I trust, and based on how much I like Redline Reverb and the new preamp...

I bought Reverb when it came out, and picked up preamp today and I am VERY pleased!

If you can somehow get EQ to run without disabling the good bits.. I'll buy it right now.. (then again I may buy it anyway and just use it audiosuite)..

Thanks!

[dj! (112dB)]

Originally Posted by danander11

I bought Reverb when it came out, and picked up preamp today and I am VERY pleased!

Which in turn makes ME very pleased! Errr--I'm referring to the part about you being pleased, not the fact that you shelled out your hard-earned cash, of course.

If you can somehow get EQ to run without disabling the good bits.. I'll buy it right now.. (then again I may buy it anyway and just use it audiosuite)..

Well, the exact implications of rewriting the engine to zero latency are not clear yet so *perhaps*--note the asterisks!--the dynamic mode will carry over, but the variable phase definitely won't, I'm afraid... linear phase with zero latency is impossible even in theory.

-- dj!

[danander11]

Originally Posted by dj! (112dB)

Well, the exact implications of rewriting the engine to zero latency are not clear yet so *perhaps*--note the asterisks!--the dynamic mode will carry over, but the variable phase definitely won't, I'm afraid... linear phase with zero latency is impossible even in theory.

-- dj!

Ah... another victim of my somewhat 'curious' sense of humor.. (the guys on DUC just shake their heads)...

Seriously though.. Great job!

[JustinAiken]

I've love to see you able to select between LP, 0-latency mode, or an in-between mode that has a little bit of latency so you can keep some of the cool things, if not LP of course.

[HomeProducer]

I use redline 1.0.2

The user interface must be improved. It is difficult to dial in the exact gain. It doesn't show me the previous value.

[PaRaNoId]

I had such high hopes for this plug in (newest demo ver) but 2/3 of the time i copy an instance, it crashes pro tools 9.03... Shiiity, considering my main use is to set up an instance with trim and some eq "models" and then copy across the tracks to create a virtual console with trim (very common practice). Im running a brand new macbook pro (i7) and it crashes pro tools 2/3 of the time that i load the redline (demo EQ 1.0.3) OR copy it to another insert. The other 1/3 of time the resulting, copied plug-in's settings "forget" the input trim that I applied to the first. Fuuuuuck! So is this plug too good to be true? Should i just get the waves studio bundle and use the trim plug-in, or will this be fixed? Im really hoping for the latter because the features and formats (RTAS and VST) are my dreamlist!

the PT9 crash generated a report (or 8) for apple and i sent 2 through (different crash scenarios, not trying to bombard those guys). Not sure if that helps or not...

[jinksdingo]

On a very fast test drive it seems good.
The harmonic control is out of phase when enabled. I'd be interested in knowing a bit more about this feature

[Blandry]

Originally Posted by suicidebomber

People should be warned about buying these plugins now that the developer is dead. It seems wrong that they are still being sold at all... maybe another programer has taken over? ... seems like its been idle for about a year now

That's really sad. Love this plug and would love to see it developed further.

[prophet]

same here, Redline plugins are really great. sadly, since Jules has been taken ill and passed away, the company has been idle. I wrote several emails to their support, but none was answered.