Dave Lebolt leaves Digidesign for Apple?

[KBOY]

Woops, was typing my response while the others were posting.

[jamwerks]

Originally Posted by KBOY

Imagine a 150 track 96k song your producing that also has 20 tracks of video running along side of it.. I don't really want to lock up different machines together. I want to be able to do this inside One program..

[KBOY]

lol, seriously... 30 years ago you would have had the same reaction to wanting to do 200 track sessions in a "gasp" personal computer..

[danika]

Originally Posted by hipass

Complete Production Toolkit offers 7.1 surround mixing in LE
Delay compensation is also available in LE for $50

The last time I checked the cost of the Complete Production Toolkit was $1995, and it was not available for M-Powered.

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by danika

The last time I checked the cost of the Complete Production Toolkit was $1995, and it was not available for M-Powered.

Yes, but your original post insisted that surround mixing was "only available for HD." Which isn't true. Doesn't mean it's cheap...

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by danika

The last time I checked the cost of the Complete Production Toolkit was $1995, and it was not available for M-Powered.

Sorry but that is not the street price that is FULL RETAIL - You can get for under $1000

Digidesign Complete Production Toolkit boxed version - eBay (item 140322532782 end time May-25-09 18:14:42 PDT)

I bought a Digi 003R Complete Toolkit Bundle and paid $2200.00

[jmarkham]

Originally Posted by T_R_S

Sorry but that is not the street price that is FULL RETAIL - You can get for under $1000

Digidesign Complete Production Toolkit boxed version - eBay (item 140322532782 end time May-25-09 18:14:42 PDT)

I bought a Digi 003R Complete Toolkit Bundle and paid $2200.00

Yup ... I love the CPTK ... has nearly every HD feature but a few
(ICON support ... VCA tracks . other "who cares" features)...

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Henchman

... think they're god, and think they should be rewarded along the same lines, with unbelievable compensation packages, just for showing up at work.

That's no way to talk about Mariah.

[danika]

Originally Posted by terminal3

Yes, but your original post insisted that surround mixing was "only available for HD." Which isn't true. Doesn't mean it's cheap...

Unless you're independently wealthy (and most musicians aren't) price is always a factor. You get surround mixing in Cubase, Sonar, Logic, and Digital Performer for free.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by danika

You missed the point. Pinnacle didn't give a damn about audio except as something to enhance their video products. Yamaha on the other hand has deep roots in both music and audio, so from a corporate culture standpoint it was a much better fit for Steinberg.

There's a rumor on the street that Yamaha is looking to sell Steinberg.

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by Animus

There's a rumor on the street that Yamaha is looking to sell Steinberg.

Interesting. Yamaha owns a pretty good chunk of Waves as well... wonder what's up with that.

[author]

Originally Posted by Animus

There's a rumor on the street that Yamaha is looking to sell Steinberg.

What took them so long?

[Animus]

Originally Posted by terminal3

Interesting. Yamaha owns a pretty good chunk of Waves as well... wonder what's up with that.

Well I did say "rumor" so take that as you will.

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by Animus

Well I did say "rumor" so take that as you will.

Indeed. I just wonder that IF said rumour may be true, then is it a Steinberg-specific scheme or is it the software world in general? Jus' thinkin' out loud.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by C Heat

I'm always at 1024 and get asked to increase—to what I ask? 2048?

I only have 2GB RAM which doesn't help things I suppose, BUT come on—10% CPU usage MUST be telling me I have head-room even if I only have 2GB RAM

Digi are promising us some "big things" "very soon", I say "bullshit talks money walks..."

All I can tell you is that I was on a mix today where I really thought I was just asking too much, but I was on a deadline, had no time to bounce to audio, and kept adding VI's ...it was a big orchestral thing with two lead vocals and MANY VIs. RMX, probably 16 Vienna Instruments, a grand piano VI, two Guitar Rigs, 3 Altiverbs, etc, etc. I really cringed everytime I added something. But nothing happened. Session didn't even slow down. So I think the ram must help (I have 8). I am very impressed with what PT8 is doing for me though I understand my experience is not universal.

TH

[Sascha Franck]

Originally Posted by terminal3

They need to find some middle ground, I think, but then, I'm not really a business expert either, I'm just callin' it like I see it.!

I would agree with that. For quite a while (and still, just not that much anymore) I've been teaching both general beginner to medium-advanced sequencer and more specialized Logic classes at the local music university. Some of the Logic classes were also aiming at those probably being interested in a switch.
Now, I can't say too much about other parts of the world, in addition I did clearly notice an increase of Intel-Mac owners - but it's still that almost everybody over here has a more or less powerful Windows-box already (each and every recently purchased office/net PC can be considered reasonably powerful for DAW work).
What these folks were usually asking me is whether it'd really be a requirement to buy a dedicated box with some possible DSP cards and what not slapped in. The obvious answer being that of course it's always a good idea to have a dedicated system - but not exactly a requirement anymore.

Ok, this doesn't directly relate to PT (and other sequencers, such as Logic and DP, both requiring a certain computer to even run them at all), but IMO it relates to the general situation of the market. Things become de-centralized. Guitar players and keyboarders may just record their parts at home, due to studio time being too expensive. Also, beginners don't even think about studio time. They think about VFM. PT is doing pretty bad regarding that, Logic and DP are as well (as said, please note that: We're talking beginners and advancing amateurs here). Over here (with PCs still dominating the market), people want something they can just install on their already existing box. Whether driver hacks such as ASIO4All are a good thing or not is completely irrelevant to those folks. They simply don't want to invest in any proprietary hardware at all. They even can't (afford it).
IMO the way Steinberg is dealing with things is quite right. You can buy either an upgradeable beginner version or go for the full deal straight ahead. Not possible with PT (without having to either deal with quite some restrictions and/or the perspective of having to shell out big money once you'd "have" to update). Not exactly possible with Logic or DP either as both of them require a Mac. With Cubase (or Reaper, or whatever), you can just buy it and install it on any computer that you already own.
And IMO, this is the main market right now - maybe not even the main market for folks that actually buy stuff, but those that won't buy right now might become future customers.

- Sascha

[rectifier]

Agent Lebolt - mission status: success.

[PDC]

I highly doubt that Dave had anything to do with 9 directly. This was too soon. This was likely in the works long before.

People keep ragging on Digidesign. "Digi hasn't released new hardware, this, that and the other". What company in this economic climate is going to design, manufacture and support new high-ticket items for DAWs right now? How many people will happily upgrade? Remember when HD came out? People were bitching about Digi twisting their arms with the new hardware purchases. Some people are never happy. The grass is always greener somewhere else.

If Digi wanted to REALLY help us all out, they would release an all-in-one turn key box, with an assload of PCI and PCIe slots, that would allow people to mix and match all of the various HD cards.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by PDC

If Digi wanted to REALLY help us all out, they would release an all-in-one turn key box, with an assload of PCI and PCIe slots, that would allow people to mix and match all of the various HD cards.

BNo, they would switch to more modern, mort powerful chips.
Thus eliminating the need for expensive expansion chassis.

[PDC]

Originally Posted by jmarkham

Yup ... I love the CPTK ... has nearly every HD feature but a few
(ICON support ... VCA tracks . other "who cares" features)...

Except it ain't TDM, etc.

[Whitecat]

... and from where I'm standing, VCA is a *huge* want. Not that it existed pre version 7, but it's useful as h*ll.

It can be almost faked in Nuendo, apparently...

[rectifier]

Originally Posted by PDC

I highly doubt that Dave had anything to do with 9 directly. This was too soon. This was likely in the works long before.

Yea I was kidding..

[studiojimi]

Originally Posted by PDC

I highly doubt that Dave had anything to do with 9 directly. This was too soon. This was likely in the works long before.

People keep ragging on Digidesign. "Digi hasn't released new hardware, this, that and the other". What company in this economic climate is going to design, manufacture and support new high-ticket items for DAWs right now? How many people will happily upgrade? Remember when HD came out? People were bitching about Digi twisting their arms with the new hardware purchases. Some people are never happy. The grass is always greener somewhere else.

If Digi wanted to REALLY help us all out, they would release an all-in-one turn key box, with an assload of PCI and PCIe slots, that would allow people to mix and match all of the various HD cards.

if they couldn't get the new software right how are they gonna do new hardware right?

or did the mess up the software to the point that guys like me stayed put in 7.4 tiger?

to keep UA plugs in place and virtuality of past projects.

they don't seem to "get" that vituality of project is a glorious function to be able to visit or change a song or mix without effort year after year.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by studiojimi

if they couldn't get the new software right how are they gonna do new hardware right?

or did the mess up the software to the point that guys like me stayed put in 7.4 tiger?

to keep UA plugs in place and virtuality of past projects.

they don't seem to "get" that vituality of project is a glorious function to be able to visit or change a song or mix without effort year after year.

They got the new software right just fine. No offense, but there will always be guys like you hanging out in system configurations that are years old and swearing by them. I'm sure there's a guy with a Mac Plus and the first Opcode sequencer who is afraid to upgrade as well, somewhere.

TH

[relaxo]

Originally Posted by studiojimi

if they couldn't get the new software right how are they gonna do new hardware right?

For me, Pro Tools 8 is a 12 year long dream (wait) come true. It's wonderful and it's made every single one of my work days so much more enjoyable and so much more productive. I love opening it up everyday. Straight up, it's the best product upgrade I've ever seen in my life and it's the best product Digidesign had ever made. Combined with Elastic Audio, these are glorious days for the software side of Pro Tools. They just couldn't have done the things they did any better with the resources they have. Excellent work Digidesign.

[Melgueil]

What we see now is the tip of the iceberg. When I ran a studio in the early 90's and went from analog tape to ADAT, I remember discussing the ADAT "system" itself, the BRC etc. A good friend of mine pointed out that "this is just an interim step" - it will ALL go to computers - just wait and see". Well it did. Back to this PT vs Logic thing.

No one would argue about stability / reliability - which we'd have to admit is still paramount to a full time professional studio doing audio session, with perhaps session musicians and so forth> . But the hole need for daughter-card HD Accel to boost processing power, that's largely a non-argument. Anyone who is going high end PT could afford an 8 core. That gap has closed and will close comletely as software/hw is optiized (yes, yes...if only Apple would get with the program and actually do that). But this is something bigger. Apple knows better than to stay away from battles it can't win. Does t have an office suite of apps. Sure. Are they taking on MS Office - Word,Excel ...nope, leave that alone. But audio as part of an overall "media and content creation" ? You bet.

What does most of the world listen to music on ? iPod. What s the most dominant Music app player: i Tunes. All of this to drive hardware sales. Why would they hire a heavyweight, strategic thinker and player from a company like AVID. Because they are in this to play. Give it time. It's not a matter of Logic being a ProTools killer. They are not thinking about killing Pro Tools. It is part of a much broader strategy.

Any way my 2 centimes

cdlt

[topperf]

And with a little bit of luck, all of us, end users will only benefit from the pressure Apple is placing on Digi (sorry Avid) Steinberg etc.

(as long as there are competitors around, that is..)

[B-San]

^ agreed!!

[Denny McNerney]

Originally Posted by relaxo

For me, Pro Tools 8 is a 12 year long dream (wait) come true. It's wonderful and it's made every single one of my work days so much more enjoyable and so much more productive. I love opening it up everyday. Straight up, it's the best product upgrade I've ever seen in my life and it's the best product Digidesign had ever made. Combined with Elastic Audio, these are glorious days for the software side of Pro Tools. They just couldn't have done the things they did any better with the resources they have. Excellent work Digidesign.

i agree.

[studiojimi]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

They got the new software right just fine. No offense, but there will always be guys like you hanging out in system configurations that are years old and swearing by them. I'm sure there's a guy with a Mac Plus and the first Opcode sequencer who is afraid to upgrade as well, somewhere.

TH

i'm not afraid to do the software

i own it.

it doesn't well work for me and whole bunch of other guys in enough ways that i choose to stay in 7.4. tiger NOT ouf of fear but choice.

my rig is not that old nor close to out of date

your point really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

i hope dave lebolt continutes to make the industry proud.

he obviously was not getting the support he needed corporately

perhaps all that iphone money behind his ideas and concepts will seep down to prosperous all of us eventually

for now i'll stay where i am ....
like many others but keep my ear to the ground for the new buffalo
the problem is...we have so many bovine bulls contaminating the land that the buffalo can't roam free without stepping in the mess of the bovine.