Propellerhead's RECORD

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Animus

But what if you don't want everything to run through the shittifier that is the SSL9k?

For most people that ever paid $250 an hour to block out time in any studio just for the luxury to create music through the coloration of a major board, this type of feature is a godsend for them.

The biggest stigma with any of this digital recording stuff is having your material sound like a real record, not being a scientist with a ton of plugins or satisfying an engineers ego of being some god of tweaking.

The end game is getting that "major record" sound, and Record gives that up front out the box. Game changer, why? Because the next generation will be making good sounding material while our current generation are still bickering our opinionated views over gear of yesteryear.

I know different regions of the world are accustom to certain types of audio mixers, but where I am from (NYC) getting an impressive 9K in a $250 piece of software is literally equal to having an iPhone compared to a rotary dial phone made the same year the first hardware SSL was.

Some advanced engineers will have their preference of what types of boards/gear they like, but in general, there is a standard line of retail quality that consumers expect, Record delivers that out the box. Anything else after is just apples and oranges, Record at least gets you into the fruit store.

[nightscope]

Originally Posted by CDS

9K in a $250 piece of software

Er, the mixer in Record is not a SSL by any stretch of the imagination.

ns

[CDS]

Originally Posted by kdm

No offense, but the reverb in Reason (RV7000) may be fine for the all-in-one quick loop track style of production, but it's not up there with several other software reverbs, much less hardware.

Reason, and I can venture a rather educated guess, that Record too are "maximized" for low cpu usage so users can get more out of it - that's the market, not dead-on emulation of vintage gear a la UAD, or even Waves, etc.

I hear you, but as I always say, audio is an industry of opinions. I have always loved the RV7000 and I am used to re-patching the outputs into other things to shape the final signal I get from the piece. I rarely run into other users that hit the tab button and stack custom chains.

The great thing about the Reason/Record engine is it allows you to work exactly how you would in a real studio. For instance, the biggest mistake I see most people do is to insert a reverb directly on a track (PT users do this all the time). This is not how you would insert a reverb on a track on an SSL. The reverb is fed through an aux that then benefits from the board's circuitry coloration and signal boost. I can take DVerb and feed it through an aux with a Waves SSL in PT and get amazing results. Its not anything special, I am just recreating how the real world equipment works. With that said, I find the RV7000 through Record's 9K model to be amazingly well done and if I want to be brave and insert some warmth in the middle of the reverb, the Scream 4 does a tremendous job.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by nightscope

Er, the mixer in Record is not a SSL by any stretch of the imagination.

ns

You go ahead and keep believing that if it makes you feel better lol.

It all comes down to the sound. Record delivers the same sound. If you need to score a film, then use the real thing.

[nightscope]

Originally Posted by CDS

You go ahead and keep believing that if it makes you feel better lol.

Believing what? That Propellerheads is SSL.

Post one link showing Solid State Logic had any part, however small, in the production of the Record mixer.

Well? Got any links?

ns

[Nowak]

Well the demo's on their site sound like shit, but we'll wait and see when something decent gets mixed in RECORD, not the harsh overcompressed shit that's there now.

About reverbs, auxs, sends etc etc.......it's not rocket science, if you see people putting reverb directly on tracks "all the time", you need some new friends.

Stef

[CDS]

Originally Posted by nightscope

Believing what? That Propellerheads is SSL.

Post one link showing Solid State Logic had any part, however small, in the production of the Record mixer.

Well? Got any links?

ns

SSL don't need to be a part of anything for anyone to take out the main circuit board and clone the algorithms. Why would they endorse Record when they are pushing the Duende (modeled after the C series and not 9000) and trying to find some way to break in Soundscape to North America?

The bottom line is the software sounds more like a 9000 than ANYTHING you can post here now next to the real thing. It's a fact, you need to live with it.

Record's mixer looks more like a real console than even the Duende, how about that?

I am not willing to pay $899 so Propellerheads can pay $650 in royalties per unit just to use the SSL name to make people like you happy. When you have talent, names on tools and gear don't matter.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Nowak

Well the demo's on their site sound like shit, but we'll wait and see when something decent gets mixed in RECORD, not the harsh overcompressed shit that's there now.

About reverbs, auxs, sends etc etc.......it's not rocket science, if you see people putting reverb directly on tracks "all the time", you need some new friends.

Stef

I think I do need some new friends lol.

I agree the Record demos are poorly mixed and too squashed by the master bus compressor.

Most demos suck anyways.

[nightscope]

Originally Posted by CDS

The bottom line is the software sounds more like a 9000 than ANYTHING you can post here now next to the real thing. It's a fact, you need to live with it.

Got any proof? You know, demonstrating this cabability. A real life example to show how this clone is superior to any other clone? Just one track done with Record showing what you say is so. Not much to ask.

ns

[badmark]

Originally Posted by CDS

SSL don't need to be a part of anything for anyone to take out the main circuit board and clone the algorithms.

Oh great, this is the Behringer of DAWs, then?

Originally Posted by CDS

Record's mixer looks more like a real SSL than even the Duende, how about that?

Oh well, if it looks authentic, it must sound great too

Don't get me wrong, maybe Record is really good, and judging from the demo video I watched, if you use Reason it probably makes a lot of sense. But I don't use Reason. And I can live without an SSL rip-off mixer. So it's hard to get as excited about it as you clearly are.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by badmark

Oh great, this is the Behringer of DAWs, then?




Oh well, if it looks authentic, it must sound great too

Don't get me wrong, maybe Record is really good, and judging from the demo video I watched, if you use Reason it probably makes a lot of sense. But I don't use Reason. And I can live without an SSL rip-off mixer. So it's hard to get as excited about it as you clearly are.

But I'm saying, don't disrespect the application because you don't want to use it.

Because YOU don't know how to use the software, don't make others feel bad that may be looking to Record to help them with their goals.

You can go back to ProTools, a rip-off of Paris, Logic and Melodyne.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by nightscope

Got any proof? You know, demonstrating this cabability. A real life example to show how this clone is superior to any other clone? Just one track done with Record showing what you say is so. Not much to ask.

ns

Only you can determine this by trying it for yourself. As I said, the audio industry is one of opinions. If you made up your mind that the program does not deliver, I could post a commercial song ripped from a CD and you would still think what you do.

[nightscope]

Originally Posted by CDS

When you have talent, names on tools and gear don't matter.

Well, names certainly seem to matter to Propellerheads That's why they're using the SSL brand name to try to sell their software.

ns

[CDS]

Originally Posted by nightscope

Well, names certainly seem to matter to Propellerheads That's why they're using the SSL brand name to try to sell their software.

ns

You think Propellerheads need to "try" to sell this? Last i checked at their producer conference, people are begging to buy it.

In 3 years ProTools LE will be dead. I will be more than happy to come back at that time and gloat.

This fall you will be able to buy a Windows 7 PC with dual quad cores and 6 Gigs of ram with a 1TB HD for around $800. Why would anyone buy a $10,000 PT HD rig that is no where near as powerful as this Windows 7 PC and Record for under $1200?

$3000 on the Mac pro side for the uber rich people.

[Inca]

Originally Posted by CDS

You think Propellerheads need to "try" to sell this? Last i checked at their producer conference, people are begging to buy it.

In 3 years ProTools LE will be dead. I will be more than happy to come back at that time and gloat.

This fall you will be able to buy a Windows 7 PC with dual quad cores and 6 Gigs of ram with a 1TB HD for around $800. Why would anyone buy a $10,000 PT HD rig that is no where near as powerful as this Windows 7 PC and Record for under $1200?

$3000 on the Mac pro side for the uber rich people.

This is such a good point. I'm looking forward to building a new PC super machine. My macbook is fantastic for quick work or on the go type stuff. It's funny how powerful the LE machines have become. If Record gives me the results I need, I would have no problem saying bye bye to Digi.

They better start to wake up and put some missing elements in LE quickly. This is going to be fun to watch unfold.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Inca

This is such a good point. I'm looking forward to building a new PC super machine. My macbook is fantastic for quick work or on the go type stuff. It's funny how powerful the LE machines have become. If Record gives me the results I need, I would have no problem saying bye bye to Digi.

They better start to wake up and put some missing elements in LE quickly. This is going to be fun to watch unfold.

I would be happy with digi if they just give users unlimited tracks in LE and HD, because of Record they are forced to provide this before a years time. This is a bad position for Digi because of the LE Toolkit buyers which gives only 48 tracks. The Record demo session is like 60 tracks alone!

[Inca]

True, and one thing that I really love is that Prop stuff works so well. I just say this from using Reason so much. It sounds like Record is going to be really efficient with resources, regardless of how many tracks/effects you use.

Like you said, with desktops becoming so powerful, Digi really needs to upate their LE business plan. People are sick and tired of being limited by the PT software. It used to be the machines that were limited, but not anymore.

You watch, this should force Digi to finally put some kind of ADC in LE. If they don't , and Record rocks, people will be jumping ship in droves. I will be one of them. ha

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Inca

You watch, this should force Digi to finally put some kind of ADC in LE. If they don't , and Record rocks, people will be jumping ship in droves. I will be one of them. ha

Exactly, and Digi has been scamming users on ADC to separate LE from HD. Like I said, the Record demo is 60 tracks and I can press the space bar super fast repeatedly and it is spot on, even ProTools HD is not as fast with 60 tracks!

[badmark]

Originally Posted by CDS

Because YOU don't know how to use the software, don't make others feel bad that may be looking to Record to help them with their goals.

You can go back to ProTools, a rip-off of Paris, Logic and Melodyne.

Don't "YOU" me bro ...

I know how to use software. I have ProTools, but rarely use it.

And if I wish to make people feel bad, I don't use their choice of DAW to do that.

Originally Posted by CDS

Oh yeah, and I can burn you and everyone you know with Record..

[CDS]

Originally Posted by badmark

Don't "YOU" me bro ...

I know how to use software. I have ProTools, but rarely use it.

And if I wish to make people feel bad, I don't use their choice of DAW to do that.

What are YOU going to do about it? Battle me then and put your skills behind all of your out-of-pocket talk and your stupid domain BS. YOU decided to interject yourself in another conversation that had nothing to do with you.

This is a forum of opinion granted but all professionals and differences in views can transpire without the direct jabs. When there are jabs, expect a fight. YOU came out of line earlier and now YOU are mad. Go back to Harmony Central if your feelings are hurt.

Your responses in this thread seems to be only to me, you are not responding to anyone one else, so you want to be a bully or something, my door is open, c'mon, make me feel "bad" by whipping me in a mix challenge, again, your music, whatever you want to use, i will use Record.

[Snarf]

I am both a musician and a studio tech and find that Pro Tools has a great workflow for me and my needs.
With PT8, even LE has become a really great tool for composing, recording and mixing a finished album. I added the Mellowmuse ATA plug to stop thinking about delay, and now I can do anything I like in the software.

I don´t think LE will die, ever, but hopefully it will evolve to an even better product. Adding ideas from recorder too.
However, any software that makes Digi feel the lost revenue, forcing them to innovate (or emulate) is good news.

So this is a winwin for us pragmatics.

I wonder if i can record guitars with Eleven in PT, run it through the Record SSL9k and back into the final PT mix. And maybe these two cheap pieces of software will then make me sound like I`m playing an awesome vintage marshall in a great sounding studio with a great board. (In my home office )

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CDS

That is my opinion based on 20 years in field experience.

I don't need hands on experience with Record, I can plainly see what it delivers.

When you learn that the pro audio business is only based on that of opinion, after a while its easy to learn how to make any one of these tools work for your professional talents and not follow Maserati because he has a plug-in with his name on it.

cop the F**k on, reason cannot compare with the dirt that falls off an SSL. You obviously have never used a piece of hardware equipment in your existence.

since you've never used outboard.... you must be an expert in software. Question for you; What's the size of propellerhead's synthesize lookup table?

Don't ever compare an SSL mix buss with the mix engine of reason. Can you hear depth, stereo spread, transient response.......... frequencies?

[CDS]

Originally Posted by JFK

cop the F**k on, reason cannot compare with the dirt that falls off an SSL. You obviously have never used a piece of hardware equipment in your existence.

since you've never used outboard.... you must be an expert in software. Question for you; What's the size of propellerhead's synthesize lookup table?

Don't ever compare an SSL mix buss with the mix engine of reason. Can you hear depth, stereo spread, transient response.......... frequencies?

I own a real SSL lol.

I agree that Reason is nothing compared to an SSL, but Record on the other hand does a good job at emulating the real thing.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CDS

I own a real SSL lol.

I dont believe you, your full of sh*t. I've worked on SSL's, Neve's, or even a 16:2 mix buss like Chandler Mini Rack Mixer, or Inward Connections Mix 690 and they kick reasons ass.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by JFK

I dont believe you, your full of sh*t. I've worked on SSL's, Neve's, or even a 16:2 mix buss like Chandler Mini Rack Mixer, or Inward Connections Mix 690 and they kick reasons ass.

I own the most powerful digital distribution system in the world. Look at the link below and find me something more powerful, then we can talk whether I have a little $250,000 SSL. Don't just guess whether I'm real or not, you can embarrass the hell out of me by doing 1 of the following 2:

1) Pick any 3 digital distributions systems in the world which you think can can be better collectively than my system.

or

2) Put up some of your material in multitrack stems and challenge me.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CDS

I agree that Reason is nothing compared to an SSL

Originally Posted by CDS

The bottom line is the software sounds more like a 9000 than ANYTHING

Get your story straight man........

and what pre and conversion are you using to "emulate" a 9000?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CDS

I own the most powerful digital distribution system in the world. Look at the link below and find me something more powerful, then we can talk whether I have a little $250,000 SSL.

Oh my god, you own a server, can i have your autograph.........

[CDS]

Originally Posted by JFK

Oh my god, you own a server, can i have your autograph.........

Apparently you are young and a beginner. When you get your post count above 250 and contribute real opinions or knowledge to the GS community, I will entertain acknowledging that you exist.

Just a tip so you don't look so ignorant: Reason and Record are 2 separate programs that can work together if you have them both in your system.

[badmark]

Originally Posted by CDS

Apparently you are young and a beginner. When you get your post count above 250 and contribute real opinions or knowledge to the GS community, I will entertain acknowledging that you exist.

Whoa, JFK, that's you told!

Go post a load of rubbish repeatedly and get your count up!

Maybe CDS will sell you a program to do it!

The more posts you make, the more you know!

[JFK]

Originally Posted by CDS

Apparently you are young and a beginner. When you get your post count above 250 and contribute real opinions I will entertain acknowledging that you exist.

To settle this show me your SSL and somethin you've engineered.



Thats a tasty Neve