Propellerhead's RECORD

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

Great post..and that is the reason why SSL will always have their market and demand for the real thing. I would never claim that $299 code can replace SSL 9k but I think this will give great intro to SSL board. Who knows what record version 5 will look like with what capabilities. I just don't think we should write it off as okay another DAW when the guys are actually taking new approach. They deserve props for this and I for one am going to be getting my hands dirty. Will I make it my main DAW? no..will I record on it often? not sure depends on engine quality. Will I switch? Yes if they have great engine and vst.

FWIW, I'm not baggin' on "record" at all. I LOVE the streamlined approach. I LOVE seeing all my EQ's and Compressors laid out like that. There's a strong chance I'll be switching to this program if they got certain things right. This is pretty much what I've always wished DAW's looked like.

However, there really isn't anything resembling an SSL with the exception of how the EQ's and Comps are laid out. The "signal path" is more along the lines of a Mackie 1402 with more auxes and the ability to hit pre/post on all of 'em. At least with what I've seen so far. And the SSL "signal path" is what really made the SSL so popular as a mixing console............. well, that and recall + automation.....

[TheBoss]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

FWIW, I'm not baggin' on "record" at all. I LOVE the streamlined approach. I LOVE seeing all my EQ's and Compressors laid out like that. There's a strong chance I'll be switching to this program if they got certain things right. This is pretty much what I've always wished DAW's looked like.

However, there really isn't anything resembling an SSL with the exception of how the EQ's and Comps are laid out. The "signal path" is more along the lines of a Mackie 1402 with more auxes and the ability to hit pre/post on all of 'em. At least with what I've seen so far. And the SSL "signal path" is what really made the SSL so popular as a mixing console............. well, that and recall + automation.....

I'm in same boat as you. Will have to wait for few versions before we get our wish list. Yes it is nothing like SSL but love to see what it sounds like with EQ and Compressors. This product definitely has a room in my desktop but well see depending on the sound engine.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

Looks like cheap shit to me (although the mixer window was cool).

I do expect people to all of a sudden think they are engineers because they are on an 'SSL'. Or am I just being a snob?

I don't care who gets on that mixer, last time I checked thats the same set of knobs on a real 9000k.

So what if a kid can get on it and use some presets to smoke some old arrogant fossils that don't want to ditch the 1980's gear for 2010 technology.

Because some don't want to give up the rotary dial phone don't crap on the people who choose to use Blackberries.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

True.

I wasn't actually stating that if you are on a real SSL that it makes you an engineer.

I've had too many people claiming to be engineers because they had FL and UA plugin's (the type that ' mixes and masters' on headphones..)

Me saying " Looks like cheap shit" doesn't mean it is shit. I wouldn't buy it for several reasons. Prophead does a nice job with it's prog's in general. It's just not for me

Hardware all day.

That's cool, it's not for you. In NYC, I have seen many studios and "engineers" die off like the Jedi because of this attitude. Many of them sitting in their basements with no work salivating over a vintage la2a and 1176.

I use to listen to the same stuff when ProTools wiped out tape "I will never give up my 499, ProTools is crap and sounds cold.. never in my studio". Those studios no longer exist.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

that's true about the knobs. It's cool to me, because i understand "how a compressor works" since im a hybrid artist/engineer, more of an artist that dabbles heavily in the technical side of recording. Just don't have time to do both intensively.

so for me, the mixer is neat, i'm accustomed to being around consoles and setting up my DAW to work in an "analog" fashion but man some young songwriters i know just wouldn't know where to start w/ a thing like that. And they'd certainly ruin their recordings with the bus compressor.

but maybe it's a new dawn in the way computer recording works.

I agree with your post, just to add additional comments:

The bad thing about this software is that they will include presets that any kid can use and get professional results.

I have all this ProTools HD overpriced shit and this is my stance:

On real hardware, all these plugins offered by TDM are not "real-world" tools.

On a hardware SSL per se, what you have, a delay, a reverb, a few outboard compressors/gates, a ton of patch cables.

When I look at this software, they are providing the same set of tools you find in any real hardware studio. It's 2009, and anyone that calls him/herself an "engineer" can make a good record with Garage Band, simple as that. There are guys here with $50,000 PT HD studios that can't mix to save their lives, but they think they are engineers because they can afford the gear. Buying a helicopter doesn't make you a pilot by any means, but when the damn helicopter can fly itself then there is no need for the pilot, this is what Record is doing.

No one needs all this hyper space Waves Mercury fluff buff to make a great recording. None of the best records ever made used that crap, Mr. Bruce Swedien didn't have no damn plug-ins nor the power of the Record program when he engineered Thriller, yet, everyone today worship these records because those guys rode the faders, screw the compressors.

Until someone start makings some amazing soul changing life time-stamping records again, all this chatter is worthless banter.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

I'de also love to know how this program handles "groups".......like, say all your drums or BGV's, etc.

For what it's worth, anyone who's ever worked on a real SSL can take one look at the mixer and find missing knobs, functions, etc. There's no way this program will give you any real world practice for working on an actual SSL, let alone a 9K.

"float"?
"-->"?
"small faders!"?
"busses"?
"aux to busses"
"A,B,C,D"

trust me there's ALOT more!

Yes I also agree with the need for busses and auxes.

I don't think anyone working on these DAW are looking to go back to working on an actual SSL. I know in NYC there are so few left around.

Is software like Record and Waves going to erase hardware SSLs overnight, of course not, but I will tell you it will impact the decisions of the kid about to spend $30k on Full Sail. Why go to engineering school when you can spend a few years on this software, build a technique and produce retail (internet these days) ready material?

UPDATE: here is a preview post from someone using it: Create Digital Music » Propellerhead Record In-Depth Preview: Recording, Reason-Style; Beta Test Now

There is an audio widget that plays songs done in Record, granted its web quality streamed audio.

UPDATE 2:

I cant find anything that is out that allow this type of flexibility without Donald Trumping for a dual monitor system:


For everyone with ProTools, Cubase, Logic, ect.. pay close attention to the dual mixer and edit window display and notice how you can choose what part of the mixer chain or wavs on the right side of the window. Also notice the "ProTools" style editing splicing.

See it in action in video here: EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Propellerhead Record | musicradar.com

[Nowak]

The video is a scream, I'm going to give it a go based on the video alone, classic.

Stef

[CDS]

Merry Xmas lol: PROPELLERHEADS RECORD AUDIO RECORDING SOFTWARE - NEW - eBay (item 230342684074 end time Jun-11-09 08:27:06 PDT)


wow

[topperf]

Originally Posted by CDS

Merry Xmas lol: PROPELLERHEADS RECORD AUDIO RECORDING SOFTWARE - NEW - eBay (item 230342684074 end time Jun-11-09 08:27:06 PDT)


wow

Ahem.. but how?

[CDS]

Originally Posted by topperf

Ahem.. but how?

It the beta with dongle, its the only way.

[Ru_C]

Originally Posted by CDS

I cant find anything that is out that allow this type of flexibility without Donald Trumping for a dual monitor system:

Hold on, is this NYC rhyming slang i'm reading here? haha

[Drew Buchan]

I think there are definitely some User Interface innovations, which the other DAW users might to try to copy in the coming years.

I can't comment on the Reason integration as I'm not a reason user.

Lack of VST support means I will never use or consider it though.
And as I suspect I'm a pretty average user, I doubt it will appeal to many existing DAW owners in the same boat (ie big investment in VST plug-in and/or non Reason users).

[matta]

I'm just amazed at how many are suggesting based on the fact it doesn't support VST's etc it isn't worth giving it a go... I like many others started out with ONE console, little to no outboard gear and a few mics... your choice was console OR.. ahem... console, LOL.

I for one am looking forward to giving it a go and yearning to do so BECAUSE of the limitations it imposes. Heck I'd prob be alot more productive and stop than wondering which piece of outboard or which plug I'm using form the plethora I have access to.

Then again I am an acoustic singer-songwriter and so it may well work to my advantage.

I often spin the phrase 'Limitations breed ingenuity' and I'm all for this, I'm inspired enough to actually record an EP/album with just Reason/Record and see what happens... sure would be fun!

Cheers

Matt

[dirtboy]

+1 on that. What does worry me though is the copy protection. A dongle? Why, oh why?
Apparently you can use it dongle free as long as your machine is constantly on the internet. A better suggestion would be this: Authorize two machines w/ a one time internet activation and provide the dongle for use on other machines.

[Daniel Flores]

Let's see... no third party plugs... what?
Looks nice but all that bs about it emulating an ssl is just really funny...I mean everyone has an Ssl emulation these days. I'm sticking to my duende.
I'm willing to try a demo though.

OH and Did I mention that NO THIRD PARTY PLUGS ARE SUPPORTET!!!!?????!!!!!!!!! What a f**ck should I do with my Focusrite LM, Duende and Powercore then?
Maybe I will sell them? N O T!

Waiting for some real tests by real musicians.

Daniel

[Drew Buchan]

Originally Posted by matta

I'm just amazed at how many are suggesting based on the fact it doesn't support VST's etc it isn't worth giving it a go... I like many others started out with ONE console, little to no outboard gear and a few mics... your choice was console OR.. ahem... console, LOL.

I for one am looking forward to giving it a go and yearning to do so BECAUSE of the limitations it imposes. Heck I'd prob be alot more productive and stop than wondering which piece of outboard or which plug I'm using form the plethora I have access to.

You're argument seems to be trying to make the lack of a feature a VIRTUE. (3rd party plug-ins in this case). Yes, limitations do foster creativity ... but I have enough self-discipline to set my own limitations ... I don;t have to pay somebody else for another DAW just for the "creative limitations" it will impose.

I have over 10k invested in VSTi sample libraries (espensive orch stuff) and VST plug-ins, which are my primary creative tools .... the sequencer / DAW is not as important as my VSTi and VST. I happen to use Cubase ... but to be honest I could achieve the same results with any of the mainstream DAWs ... any of them ... because they all support 3rd party plug-ins.

I guess it comes down to workflow and tools.
If you are heavily dependent on 3rd party plug-ins, Record is a non-starter, despite its interface innovations.

If if you are NOT dependent on 3rd party plug-ins, then it is an option .... but a hobbled option none-the-less.

[djgizmo]

Originally Posted by Daniel Flores

Let's see... no third party plugs... what?
Looks nice but all that bs about it emulating an ssl is just really funny...I mean everyone has an Ssl emulation these days. I'm sticking to my duende.
I'm willing to try a demo though.

OH and Did I mention that NO THIRD PARTY PLUGS ARE SUPPORTET!!!!?????!!!!!!!!! What a f**ck should I do with my Focusrite LM, Duende and Powercore then?
Maybe I will sell them? N O T!

Waiting for some real tests by real musicians.

Daniel

Like most things that cost less than $500, I think Record will be in the category of Pro-sumer vs professional.

The market for this software is (and always will be) the home recordist who doesn't have 10k to drop on a daw and plugins.

Personally, this is a NICE ITB way of getting Guitarist, Bassists, Vocalists, and maybe even drummers to buy into the PH brand. Which is the market PH hasn't been able to tap into for the past decade.

As much as this seems lackluster to some, this is a SMART move by PH and the Console style Mixing window is a lil bit of flash to get more people to buy in. I will say their hardware modeling is pretty darn good, so it may sound pretty nice as well.

For musicians, I'd say give it a try... engineers... no since of trying it unless you work with musicians that'll live in it.

[feck]

It looks like a good, useful piece of software for the average songwriter/musician. Garageband Pro, if you will. No way that it can come close to being as in depth as Nuendo/PT, but of course that is not at all what it seems to be aiming at. Why can't everyone just be cool with everything having it's own place rather than constantly trying to play king of the hill?

[Midi_Glider]

Extremely limited and unbalanced from what I`ve seen so far.

Not even a midi out option...blah. tutt

[CDS]

I tried it out last night and to me their SSL kills Waves.

I had 10 minutes with it at a friends studio and did this hip hop piece Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!

I was able to create a piece with about 9 ID8 units (each sound on a channel) and for me it's the best all around midi'ish tool ever.

The drops in the piece was done as I tested the automation response so they are loose, but the automation response is spot on equal to Reason. I was able to repeatedly press the space bar extreamly fast and Record started and stopped on the dime with the large demo song. I am very impressed and hope PH give me a beta entry soon

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Careyn

Wow I saw this coming!
And now I am like ''holy Shit! They Did it! An SSL!''



''I don't think audio recording will ever be a possibility with reason.
That would make it an inferior cubase.

The only thing they could consider doing is spending some serious time creating a new mixer module modeled of the ssl 4048 console with build in eq and compression on each channel.

It should also visually look like that and we want the sequencer window to be resized to accommodate it.

That would really lift the program increase sales and help propelerheads make more money.''

5th post down:

This is a old thread that I bumped!

Reason 5 - tranceaddict Forums

Since this suggestion/wish came true I will wish for more.

Now we want behringer to jump on this coz it is going to be huge!

This is what will make behringer make more money than ever before.

We want a midi controller that looks a minature ssl9000 with all the knobs there. I dont care if the knobs feel like turning the straw of my milkshake and the faders feel like toothpicks. Whatever you can do to make it happen and make money while keeping the price within the reach of the project studio.

Behringer kind of price.
Every mans type of tool.
All the channels there.

Anything more than that and people have to think twice on spending money on something that doesn't make any sound.


The rules.

You are allowed to use the cheapest components in the world.

It does not matter if it feels or looks anywhere near the real thing.

It doesn't matter if the whole thing has a toy feel to it.

It doesn't matter if its a wee bit too small. But try to make things work though.

We do not need automation. This will increace the cost.

No banks. Keep it simple. One channel controls one sound. Always. At all time.

AGAIN One channel. One Sound. Not One fader does 30 things with menu.

One knob does one thing. Not one knob does 30 things with menu.

You sell the whole mixer now. Not buy half the mixer now. You can add the other half.
No displays. No confusing continuous rotarys. It should click wherever the hardware mixer clicks. We want to see the color in the middle.



Why do I think this is a great idea?

It will apeal to all levels of the market from the smallest studio to the biggest one!


It will appeal to bands that want to use record to record their music!

It will appeal to the people that use record and dream of being able to use a controller that looks like the mixer for all the functions of the mixer!

It will appeal to the sellers and retailers that want to upsale customers that want to record. A customer comes in to buy record after propellerheads marketing campaign in magazines websites ect.
Retailer shows potential customer a mixer with real faders and knobs for record. Tells him ''this is modelled after the million dollar SSL Console.''
Hypes the customer. Now that customer instead of spending $250 puts that midi contoler on the credit card

He spends a lot more.
Do you want the DVD ''The SSL Secrets of the pros'' to go with that? $39.95

Customer is happy because this turns out to be super fun to use.

It will appeal to the people that use ssl duende firewire.

It will appeal to people that use logic or cubase and the waves ssl

It will appeal to people that use Univeral audio SSL.

It will appeal to the people that are ready to move to pro tools HD but would rather spend the extra $10000 on preamps microphones compressors reverbs ect yet still want something cheap for a little bit control.

It will appeal to studios looking for a midi cotnroller the can assign stuff to.

Yeah i'm down!

[Careyn]

This is a closed program now bassed around the classic SSL that has been the studio standard since the 80s.

It is time for a new approach in midi controller mixers.

In my opinion just about every midi controller that came out had missed the mark in terms of offering any real world functionality to the studio.
Every single ******* one of them.

From the cheapest one to the most ridiculously expensive.

They give you a bank of faders that can control many more.
Why?

Listen to us. The reason that most people detest digital mixers is this.
They try to be too many things at once and fail to bring anything new to the table.

So now you are at channel 9. You are at bank 9-16. you no longer have a visual feedback of the tracks at channels 1-8 you have to look at the screen. Not good.

Then they give you 6 knobs at most.
Ok... What the hell am I supposed to do with this?

What?

''You can assign parameters.''

What parameters? Tell me...
What?

My sends?
My mono compressor settings?
Like one band of the Q10?

What happens when I want to use more?
''You use the mouse.''

So if I end up using the mouse to do all the work why the hell would I need this expensive POS for? Tell Me!

I am either going to mix in the box or on the console mixing both in the box and on the console will be confusing and unintuitive.

''You can put the sequencer in learn mode and then...''

So now I am going to have to waste time teaching a controller to control something when it will be 10 times faster to use a mouse?

''You can assign any plug-in...''

Look! A**clown! You are asking me to part with a huge chunk of cash for something that not only won't help me mix but most likely slow me down as well...

You want my money without giving me clear evidence and real word examples of how this will help me.

You are pissing on my intelligence! How Dare you insult me like that!
What the hell do you thing I am?


''Give them a thing the can plug into the wall with faders that move up and down ALL by themselves!'' ''Yeah! That will impress them!''

''Give them some shinny blue lights too''

''Guaranteed to get their money that way''

This would be a great time for a company to step up the midi-controller game. If this program sounds good there can be a midi controller to finally offer big console functionality to the digital studio.

People could use this to control every aspect of this mixer.

The trick here is all or nothing. Either give me control of every aspect of this mixer or let me use my mouse thank you very much.

The moment I have to pick up the mouse to control the settings of this mixer is the very moment where your product is worthless.

Here is a project studio type setting.
Mixer with speakers on the front.
Computer monitors on the side as a virtual tape deck & effects rack You can use the mouse to control additional effects arm tracks to record ect ect.

You wont have to stare at the computer screen to make music you will be focused on how things sound not how they look in the screen.

And I understand that they wont be able to offer the best faders or knobs and to make this work and make it profitable they will most likely have to cut corners on the components and build quality. I am perfectly fine with that! In fact I would enchourage it. As long as everything is there in-front of me I don't ****** care. I would rather this be a tool every studio out there can afford.

The first company that will offer this is the company that will change the DAW studio forever.

[duvalle]

haha ... ... this thread is so funny.
either people glorify it or hate it ...
imho: just bring it on, if it helps me, i will use it.
simple.

[n8tron]

Originally Posted by Careyn

This is a closed program now bassed around the classic SSL that has been the studio standard since the 80s.

It is time for a new approach in midi controller mixers.

In my opinion just about every midi controller that came out had missed the mark in terms of offering any real world functionality to the studio.
Every single ******* one of them.

From the cheapest one to the most ridiculously expensive.

They give you a bank of faders that can control many more.
Why?

Listen to us. The reason that most people detest digital mixers is this.
They try to be too many things at once and fail to bring anything new to the table.

So now you are at channel 9. You are at bank 9-16. you no longer have a visual feedback of the tracks at channels 1-8 you have to look at the screen. Not good.

Then they give you 6 knobs at most.
Ok... What the hell am I supposed to do with this?

What?

''You can assign parameters.''

What parameters? Tell me...
What?

My sends?
My mono compressor settings?
Like one band of the Q10?

What happens when I want to use more?
''You use the mouse.''

So if I end up using the mouse to do all the work why the hell would I need this expensive POS for? Tell Me!

I am either going to mix in the box or on the console mixing both in the box and on the console will be confusing and unintuitive.

''You can put the sequencer in learn mode and then...''

So now I am going to have to waste time teaching a controller to control something when it will be 10 times faster to use a mouse?

''You can assign any plug-in...''

Look! A**clown! You are asking me to part with a huge chunk of cash for something that not only won't help me mix but most likely slow me down as well...

You want my money without giving me clear evidence and real word examples of how this will help me.

You are pissing on my intelligence! How Dare you insult me like that!
What the hell do you thing I am?


''Give them a thing the can plug into the wall with faders that move up and down ALL by themselves!'' ''Yeah! That will impress them!''

''Give them some shinny blue lights too''

''Guaranteed to get their money that way''

This would be a great time for a company to step up the midi-controller game. If this program sounds good there can be a midi controller to finally offer big console functionality to the digital studio.

People could use this to control every aspect of this mixer.

The trick here is all or nothing. Either give me control of every aspect of this mixer or let me use my mouse thank you very much.

The moment I have to pick up the mouse to control the settings of this mixer is the very moment where your product is worthless.

Here is a project studio type setting.
Mixer with speakers on the front.
Computer monitors on the side as a virtual tape deck & effects rack You can use the mouse to control additional effects arm tracks to record ect ect.

You wont have to stare at the computer screen to make music you will be focused on how things sound not how they look in the screen.

And I understand that they wont be able to offer the best faders or knobs and to make this work and make it profitable they will most likely have to cut corners on the components and build quality. I am perfectly fine with that! In fact I would enchourage it. As long as everything is there in-front of me I don't ****** care. I would rather this be a tool every studio out there can afford.

The first company that will offer this is the company that will change the DAW studio forever.

hahaha

this is so hilariously true. i've seriously had this conversation in my head before with my MCU.

hmm, maybe I'll try inserting a plugin with it... click button, click track button, knob through all my plugins... ... ... ... there it is. ok, now i've got 4 knobs I can use and a few page buttons. wheres the threshold?... page... page... ok, wait, i gotta change the attack... page... page... oh... theres to many parameters and I can't adjust the attack with this thing...awesome


for basic operation its nice, soloing, muting, general fader moving and a transport... but EVERYTHING ELSE it *can* do it doesn't do well.

[KING KOBRA]

Originally Posted by Careyn

Wow I saw this coming!
And now I am like ''holy Shit! They Did it! An SSL!''



''I don't think audio recording will ever be a possibility with reason.
That would make it an inferior cubase.

The only thing they could consider doing is spending some serious time creating a new mixer module modeled of the ssl 4048 console with build in eq and compression on each channel.

It should also visually look like that and we want the sequencer window to be resized to accommodate it.

That would really lift the program increase sales and help propelerheads make more money.''

5th post down:

This is a old thread that I bumped!

Reason 5 - tranceaddict Forums

Since this suggestion/wish came true I will wish for more.

Now we want behringer to jump on this coz it is going to be huge!

This is what will make behringer make more money than ever before.

We want a midi controller that looks a minature ssl9000 with all the knobs there. I dont care if the knobs feel like turning the straw of my milkshake and the faders feel like toothpicks. Whatever you can do to make it happen and make money while keeping the price within the reach of the project studio.

Behringer kind of price.
Every mans type of tool.
All the channels knobs buttons there.

Anything more than that and people have to think twice on spending money on something that doesn't make any sound.


The rules.

You are allowed to use the cheapest components in the world.

It does not matter if it feels or looks anywhere near the real thing.

It doesn't matter if the whole thing has a toy feel to it.

It doesn't matter if its a wee bit too small. But try to make things work though.

We do not need automation. This will increase the cost.

No banks. Keep it simple. One channel controls one sound. Always. At all time.

AGAIN One channel. One Sound. Not One fader does 30 things with menu.

One knob does one thing. Not one knob does 30 things with menu.

You sell the whole mixer now. Not buy half the mixer now. You can add the other half.
No displays. No confusing continuous rotarys. It should click wherever the hardware mixer clicks. We want to see the color in the middle.



Why do I think this is a great idea?

It will apeal to all levels of the market from the smallest studio to the biggest one!


It will appeal to bands that want to use record to record their music!

It will appeal to the people that use record and dream of being able to use a controller that looks like the mixer for all the functions of the mixer!

It will appeal to the people that allways wanted an SSL Type of workflow but could never afford a real ssl.

It will appeal to the people that sold the SSL and are now in the box with different tools but miss that type of work-flow.

It will appeal to the people that use ssl duende firewire.

It will appeal to people that use logic or cubase and the waves ssl

It will appeal to people that use Univeral audio SSL.

It will appeal to the people that are ready to move to pro tools HD but would rather spend the extra $10000 on preamps microphones compressors reverbs ect yet still want something cheap for control.

It will appeal to studios looking for a midi cotnroller the can assign stuff to.

It will appeal to the sellers and retailers that want to upsale customers that want to record. A customer comes in to buy record after propellerheads marketing campaign in magazines websites ect.
Retailer shows potential customer a mixer with real faders and knobs for record. Tells him ''this is modelled after the million dollar SSL Console.''
Hypes the customer. Now that customer instead of spending $250 puts that midi contoler on the credit card

He spends a lot more.
Do you want the DVD ''The SSL Secrets of the pros'' to go with that? $39.95

Customer is happy because this turns out to be super fun to use.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/image...ood/bouncy.gif
Yes Yes that's what I need !

[KING KOBRA]

Originally Posted by CDS

I tried it out last night and to me their SSL kills Waves.

I had 10 minutes with it at a friends studio and did this hip hop piece Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!

I was able to create a piece with about 9 ID8 units (each sound on a channel) and for me it's the best all around midi'ish tool ever.

The drops in the piece was done as I tested the automation response so they are loose, but the automation response is spot on equal to Reason. I was able to repeatedly press the space bar extreamly fast and Record started and stopped on the dime with the large demo song. I am very impressed and hope PH give me a beta entry soon

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/image...good/hippy.gif

I have already started cleaning out my computer to make room for this.As far as sounds and work flow it's was good enough but now with that kind of sound sorry I'm sold $250 you can't beat it.

[outofphase]

What? no VST support?


















Just kidding ha

[Nowak]

Great,

Here comes more harsh overcompressed shit.

I would love to hear something from this that WASN'T tweaked to death in the treble, and wasn't compressed to 1db of its life.

Stef

[sleeper1400]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

Looks like cheap shit to me (although the mixer window was cool).

I do expect people to all of a sudden think they are engineers because they are on an 'SSL'. Or am I just being a snob?

your being a snob.

[mdme_sadie]

Looks good to me, especially good for the money and especially for what it's being targeted at, i.e. those that need the sketchpad.

Honestly, I wish that other software synths and DAWs had taken up the same real life rack metaphor for routing that Reason uses, it makes life so much easier, and is far more intuitive than less visual and often more limited routing options available elsewhere. I think it's a great thing to have that now directly in such an interface, worth it for that alone.

As for sound quality with Reason, I've never had any complaint about it. The sounds come raw and are useable within a mix rather than using up all the CPU for four note polyphony and one sound that wants to be at the front all on it's own all the time. If you want to phatten them up you can do with a compressor or the inbuilt "Maximizer" unit easily enough or via another DAW's mix bus, though honestly some work on the master bus rarely hurts any audio source.

Reason is fun, I figure this is probably going to be fun too. Does it mean any other software is less now? Of course not, but it does mean that there's something new that fits a certain niche and workflow perhaps better than the alternatives. I'm looking forward to it.