Propellerhead's RECORD

[topperf]

Originally Posted by Broken

Actually if they added Melodyne style audio editing to Record it could be the perfect package for a lot of bands.

It will be included, this is 'only' 1.0 ...
With that stretching technology? They'll add it along the way.
I simply can't wait to test it.

[Benmrx]

Anyone know how the sends and busses are handled in the mixer, or if the software can handle hardware inserts well?

I see there's 8 sends, but are those mono or stereo?
What about busses? How many are there?
Hardware Inserts...... is there any form of "latency compensation" for using outboard gear when mixing?

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Anyone know how the sends and busses are handled in the mixer, or if the software can handle hardware inserts well?

I see there's 8 sends, but are those mono or stereo?
What about busses? How many are there?
Hardware Inserts...... is there any form of "latency compensation" for using outboard gear when mixing?

Great pro questions, let's hope they back this up with such flexibility.

Im sensing a control surface to be in the works of some kind to delay release all the way until September.

BTW: I can verify the PH engineers in Sweden are reading this thread as they showed up in my web logs referenced from this thread.

[protoculture]

Awesome, simply f'n awesome.

for dedicated Reason users like myself this is gonna be amazing. I've used Cubase and Logic on my setup and this is gonna streamline most of my audio tasks.... not to mention that props have the gui thing MASTERED! Reasons inuitive interface is at the freakin top of the pile..... setting up multiple side chains side chainging side chains is a synch and super logical. This is going to the next level....I love the interface!!!

I also have invested a lot in vsts but to be honest, rewire into cubase is a pain. I've grown quite fed up with that daw and logic as well. Too overly complicated for how I want to work. They slow me down.... I'm really expecting great things out of this and how I use it.

Its just another tool, If you dont like it move on. All I know is I'm gonna have a lot of fun with this.

[protoculture]

pw. I still love my AudioEase Convo Reverb - that will be missed. But for those tasks, hmmm, now I'm wondering if I can AUDIO IN an FX Track from Cubase into RECORD? If it can do this that will be swaeet...if not then for those tracks will have to rewire. Not a huge issue....

[dirtboy]

I like the concept. If I can walk into a studio with it's dedicated and decent console/ outboard gear and make a record, what's the difference? If it sounds good and the workflow is easy I'm all in. Just another tool in the shed.

[Invisible T]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Anyone know how the sends and busses are handled in the mixer, or if the software can handle hardware inserts well?

Hardware Inserts...... is there any form of "latency compensation" for using outboard gear when mixing?

Yes I'm curious as to how/if this would work too?

[johnnyz]

I am a big fan of reason 4 ,looking forward to recordthumbsup jz

[Inca]

This thing is going to be a great for quickly recording song ideas. Since I already own Reason 4, it's a no brainer for me. It looks really cool, and if the sound quality is good, that is just an added bonus for me.

I'm all over it. Anyone get word back about being a beta tester yet? I signed up right away.

[Jorn Lavoll]

Ive been wishing for a "slim" or "diet" version of my hosts for a long time.. so i am absolutely going to get this.
not to abandon every other host, but for those moments when you just want to record some music e.

[HookedOnHardware]

Looks like cheap shit to me (although the mixer window was cool).

I do expect people to all of a sudden think they are engineers because they are on an 'SSL'. Or am I just being a snob?

[rectifier]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

Looks like cheap shit to me (although the mixer window was cool).

I do expect people to all of a sudden think they are engineers because they are on an 'SSL'. Or am I just being a snob?

That's fairly insulting to snobs.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by rectifier

That's fairly insulting to snobs.

And your point is?

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

Looks like cheap shit to me (although the mixer window was cool).

I do expect people to all of a sudden think they are engineers because they are on an 'SSL'. Or am I just being a snob?

LOL i laugh sometimes at ppl on actual SSLs who call themselves "engineers."

"Mr. Engineer, can you stop twiddling that bus compressor, turn it off actually, and fetch me a sandwich?"

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

LOL i laugh sometimes at ppl on actual SSLs who call themselves "engineers."

"Mr. Engineer, can you stop twiddling that bus compressor, turn it off actually, and fetch me a sandwich?"

True.

I wasn't actually stating that if you are on a real SSL that it makes you an engineer.

I've had too many people claiming to be engineers because they had FL and UA plugin's (the type that ' mixes and masters' on headphones..)

Me saying " Looks like cheap shit" doesn't mean it is shit. I wouldn't buy it for several reasons. Prophead does a nice job with it's prog's in general. It's just not for me

Hardware all day.

[OldTimey]

yea.

i like the mixer view, but the rest i could do w/out, because it does look cheap. I'd like a "lite" version of this, for 49.99 or even 99.99, with just the mixer and audio recording capabilities.

i dont need a timeline, i don't need audio represented as waveforms, i don't need comping tools, i don't need amp simulators. I just want something that can take in 4-8 tracks at a time, takes about 3 seconds to setup because it's always hardwired to my interface, defaults to the mixer view with transport controls, and some kind window with metering and other relevant information.

if i need more than that i'll just use my full-featured DAW, thank you very much.

hmm. but i dont really need any of that. im a songwriter first and foremost, so this program is aimed towards my demographic. But i just picked up a teac 144 tape portastudio, and it does everything i need with no ****ing latency, doesn't require a computer and sounds just fine to my ears.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

yea.

i like the mixer view, but the rest i could do w/out, because it does look cheap. I'd like a "lite" version of this, for 49.99 or even 99.99, with just the mixer and audio recording capabilities.

i dont need a timeline, i don't need audio represented as waveforms, i don't need comping tools, i don't need amp simulators. I just want something that can take in 4-8 tracks at a time, takes about 3 seconds to setup because it's always hardwired to my interface, defaults to the mixer view with transport controls, and some kind window with metering and other relevant information.

if i need more than that i'll just use my full-featured DAW, thank you very much.

hmm. but i dont really need any of that. im a songwriter first and foremost, so this program is aimed towards my demographic. But i just picked up a teac 144 tape portastudio, and it does everything i need with no ****ing latency, doesn't require a computer and sounds just fine to my ears.

I'm probably looking at it from the 'wrong' side of the glass. I'm a studio owner and professional engineer. Although my company also provides production, I'm an engineer #1. For the singer songwriter type of person it looks quite alright I guess. Then again, I don't understand the whole 'this is for musicians not engineers' thing. Why include so much stuff then? (Especially the modeled 'SSL'). That's a lot of nubs for the 'non engineer'.

Good looks on the tape recorder, that's old school man e. thumbsup

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

I'm probably looking at it from the 'wrong' side of the glass. I'm a studio owner and professional engineer. Although my company also provides production, I'm an engineer #1. For the singer songwriter type of person it looks quite alright I guess. Then again, I don't understand the whole 'this is for musicians not engineers' thing. Why include so much stuff then? (Especially the modeled 'SSL'). That's a lot of nubs for the 'non engineer'.

Good looks on the tape recorder, that's old school man e. thumbsup

that's true about the knobs. It's cool to me, because i understand "how a compressor works" since im a hybrid artist/engineer, more of an artist that dabbles heavily in the technical side of recording. Just don't have time to do both intensively.

so for me, the mixer is neat, i'm accustomed to being around consoles and setting up my DAW to work in an "analog" fashion but man some young songwriters i know just wouldn't know where to start w/ a thing like that. And they'd certainly ruin their recordings with the bus compressor.

but maybe it's a new dawn in the way computer recording works.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

but maybe it's a new dawn in the way computer recording works.

Well let's hope not :p

[TheBoss]

Wow what a love hate product. Personally I think $299 is worth just getting to know how SSL works. No it won't make you an engineer but it will at least give you an idea of what is at task. I can see recording schools starting with this, hell I can even built complete business around this product teaching SSL lol. Genius idea on part of SSL to get more market share from everyone else by making you familiar with SSL. This is the adobe marketing model. Crack the product for everyday users and they will learn it and then buy it on pro level such as photoshop, illustrator. It may not sound like a SSL but it sure will tell you how an SSL operates and get your familiar with it so when you are on real console it will at least make sense. Truly genius! I see a new trend. All new boards being implemented into DAW so the more folks know that board the likely they will eventually buy the real thing. SSL guys are the winner in all this for sure.

Another thing everyone is been bitchin about is the VST support. If this was my product I would never introduce that into version 1....maybe version 2 or 3 and it will take tons of market share. VST implementation is not very easy to introduce into first time product...I think they did great by not implementing in version one...having said that I can't see product grow very far with out it either. If they want to take product far they must have VST in the coming versions. All and all this kind of competition is always welcome and it will only make companies more innovative.

I will buy it just so i can master SSL simulation and be familiar with it.
I will use it if engine is quality enough.
I will switch when they have VST.

That should be easy enough goal for guys in Sweden.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

<SNIP>It may not sound like an SSL but it sure will tell you how an SSL operates. Truely genius! I see a new trend. All new boards being implemented into DAW so the more folks know that board the likely they will eventually buy the real thing. <SNIP>

I will buy it just so i can master SSL simulation.

Ehm.. I don't think someone who can afford a real SSL (let's see 'eventually' as; before arthritis and dementia kicks in..) will buy this to 'practice'.
Then again, that could just be me.... It doesn't make a lot of sense...

Novelty store anyone?

[TheBoss]

Sure not many kids can afford it now but once you know the product and have the money which one would you buy? Something you understand or don't understand? Why do you think so many of us are in love with a particular board? Its because we understand it and we know how to make that sound the best. SSL just made sale one step closer by saying you already know our product.

You don't need to buy the console to get your hands dirty.

Look at what API simulation did for their sales. Get waves and buzz is ..its best but not actual API product so now days more and more guys are buying real thing rather then plugins. It was plugins that made into to many noobs.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

Sure not many kids can afford it now but once you know the product and have the money which one would you buy? Something you understand or don't understand? Why do you think so many of us are in love with a particular board? Its because we understand it and we know how to make that sound the best. SSL just made sale one step closer by saying you already know our product.

Look at what API simulation did for their sales. Get waves and buzz is ..its best but not actual API product so now days more and more guys are buying real thing rather then plugins. It was plugins that made into to many noobs.

I understand what you are getting at but I don't understand your logic.

"Oh well good thing I know how to use it, now I can spend that 100k I have lying around"...

EDIT: How many kids getting this will eventually be able to afford something like an SSL 9000K? .002% ?

[TheBoss]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

I understand what you are getting at but I don't understand your logic.

"Oh well good thing I know how to use it, now I can spend that 100k I have lying around"...

Logic? Very simple! They will sell tons of this at $299 for what this does and many reasons why it will sell. They might even make great product out of this if they could implement VST eventually.

Engineers don't spend 100k on console but studio owners who know engineers who know how to use a console do. The more SSL engineers you have the more likely a sale. Now, I am not saying this will make an engineer out of you but its a start to push you towards this board.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

Logic? Very simple! They will sell tons of this at $299 for what this does and many reasons why it will sell. They might even make great product out of this if they could implement VST eventually.

I'm not talking about vsti's. I'm talking about your statement about people going to eventually buy an SSL just because they have 'used' a simulation of it.

I also don't think that the API emulations boosted the sales of the actual hardware. People go ITB for several reasons, cost being a major player.
Some might buy the real deal after using a plug but I bet statistically the percentage is MINUTE!

In addition: Have you ever used the prog? Probably not (yet). If you buy it just because it features an 'SSL'. Prophead did a great job with marketing thumbsup
Anyway, moving on.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

Engineers don't spend 100k on console but studio owners who know engineers who know how to use a console do. The more SSL engineers you have the more likely a sale. Now, I am not saying this will make an engineer out of you but its a start to push you towards this board.

Anybody else want to chime in? I'm done

[Benmrx]

I'de also love to know how this program handles "groups".......like, say all your drums or BGV's, etc.

For what it's worth, anyone who's ever worked on a real SSL can take one look at the mixer and find missing knobs, functions, etc. There's no way this program will give you any real world practice for working on an actual SSL, let alone a 9K.

"float"?
"-->"?
"small faders!"?
"busses"?
"aux to busses"
"A,B,C,D"

trust me there's ALOT more!

[TheBoss]

Originally Posted by HookedOnHardware

I'm not talking about vsti's. I'm talking about your statement about people going to eventually buy an SSL just because they have 'used' a simulation of it.

I also don't think that the API emulations boosted the sales of the actual hardware. People go ITB for several reasons, cost being a major player.
Some might buy the real deal after using a plug but I bet statistically the percentage is MINUTE!

In addition: Have you ever used the prog? Probably not (yet). If you buy it just because it features an 'SSL'. Prophead did a great job with marketing thumbsup
Anyway, moving on.

What difference would it make if I have seen it or not. You don't believe in code anyways your hardware guy lol.

I have seen enough on video to go on limb that they will sell tons of this product. You said it your self tons of guys will start claiming them selves as SSL engineers. Out of those some will probably do become engineers and most wont but the few that do will require a board to work on, at the end it still created demand because someone thinks they know the board.

[HookedOnHardware]

Originally Posted by TheBoss

What difference would it make if I have seen it or not. You don't believe in code anyways your hardware guy lol.

I have seen enough on video to go on limb that they will sell tons of this product. You said it your self tons of guys will start claiming them selves as SSL engineers. Out of those some will probably do become engineers and most wont but the few that do will require a board to work on, at the end it still created demand because someone thinks they know the board.

Wakey wakey, welcome back to reality

Benmrx nailed it.

[TheBoss]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

I'de also love to know how this program handles "groups".......like, say all your drums or BGV's, etc.

For what it's worth, anyone who's ever worked on a real SSL can take one look at the mixer and find missing knobs, functions, etc. There's no way this program will give you any real world practice for working on an actual SSL, let alone a 9K.

"float"?
"-->"?
"small faders!"?
"busses"?
"aux to busses"
"A,B,C,D"

trust me there's ALOT more!

Great post..and that is the reason why SSL will always have their market and demand for the real thing. I would never claim that $299 code can replace SSL 9k but I think this will give great intro to SSL board. Who knows what record version 5 will look like with what capabilities. I just don't think we should write it off as okay another DAW when the guys are actually taking new approach. They deserve props for this and I for one am going to be getting my hands dirty. Will I make it my main DAW? no..will I record on it often? not sure depends on engine quality. Will I switch? Yes if they have great engine and vst.