Propellerhead's RECORD

[androne]

Originally Posted by CDS

If they screw up the sound after designing the best mixer GUI of any DAW I have seen, it would be company damaging if it doesn't deliver on sound. This totally embarrasses all the other channel designs that looks nothing like a legacy strip, this is the first built-in mixer that looks like a mixer.

The COMP thing is cool as is the loop recording of takes.
But of course this can be done in other DAW already.

[AMIEL]

I think this program may be awesome to record your musical ideas and for songwriting.

I mean for songwriters can be a hit..and this was the purpose of RECORD! ... I felt very limited with basic stuff with Garageband...and sometimes my PT HD is not natural enough for songwriting, specially when you have songwriter partners around.

I am sure must be tons of cool features and intuitive ways to write and record ideas on the fly.!!

I think many here are criticizing Record from a Mixing point of view...but again that was not the primary reason....but who knows, maybe sounds awesome.

[teuron]

Originally Posted by CDS

Its not being mad but more frustrated that with most of us, it seems we easily forget where affordable recording was just 15 years ago compared to what is available today.

We forgot how you use to need to lay a sync tone to 1 of your 4 tracks on your Tascam porta studio, just to sync your midi gear to 3 very hissy cassette tape tracks (Chrome anyone?)

We forgot how expensive it was to buy a CD burner and when paying $5000 for a Marantz made you one of the lucky ones.

We forgot how hard it was to get your band exposure or for your songs to get heard by the public.

We forgot when it was IMPOSSIBLE to get the big studio sound in your home studio no matter how much you spent on plug-ins and sound cards.

Unlimited tracks, SSL 9000k modeled mixer (with master buss), Reason Racks embedded, Multi track stem outputs, Easy GUI...

I mean WTF, in 1999 it would have cost you over $2,000,000 to have hardware to deliver this, now its only $299!!!!!!!!!

Every VST setup like this with midi/recording has all been buggy (and if you say Logic, no one has time to become a rocket scientist). Protools with midi instruments is also shoddy. Because PH Reason has always proven to me to be the most solid piece of creative software and best on CPU efficiency, yes I can only believe this same expertise in application design has carried over to their DAW.

If you ever worked your ass off on a minimum wage job just to buy components for a porta studio based setup, you will understand to have guys debating over overly powered tools to just make a song is just warped to me at times.

u need to take a deep breath and stop exaggerating things.

firstoff... 15 years, sync tones, 4 tracks, $5000 cd burners, $2000000 in 1999?

are you giving credit to propellerheads for the last 15 years of digital technology evolution?

although the new Record software looks promising (ive always been a fan of propellerheads stuff) please stop being such a fanboy until at least u try the damn thing... and more importantly slagging off all the other daws that have been part of the digital revolution which u seem to think happened with the announcement of Record.
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back onto topic....

does it have a wave editor? (splice, reverse, or pitch shift a single sound)

[Farshad]

Does anyone know if it is officially supported by SSL? Given they (Propellerhead) clearly advertise the name on their website, methinks it is

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

I think this program may be awesome to record your musical ideas and for songwriting.

thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

Because lot of us are experiencing all too well that PT8 does NOT offer this although that's how they're trying to sell it. Too many CPU/HW BUffer issues to be used in any real-world situation dfegad

[UnMix Studio]

Impressive with the 9000k. I wonder how come other DAWs didn't think of that?

The lack of 3rd party plugs is gonna kill them.


What's next? Waves making a DAW? if they do expect it to cost $15,000 bundled with the Mercury bunde.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by teuron

u need to take a deep breath and stop exaggerating things.

firstoff... 15 years, sync tones, 4 tracks, $5000 cd burners, $2000000 in 1999?

are you giving credit to propellerheads for the last 15 years of digital technology evolution?

although the new Record software looks promising (ive always been a fan of propellerheads stuff) please stop being such a fanboy until at least u try the damn thing... and more importantly slagging off all the other daws that have been part of the digital revolution which u seem to think happened with the announcement of Record.
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back onto topic....

does it have a wave editor? (splice, reverse, or pitch shift a single sound)

I love the way you tried to call me out and then asked a Harmony Central question here on GS. Where would the world be without the pups trying to run with the big dogs lol.

I will forgive your little blasphemy and answer your question lol: All DAWs are Wav recorders and editors with generic basic functions like reverse and splicing, that is what they are made to do.

[Foxis]

Originally Posted by UnMix Studio

Impressive with the 9000k. I wonder how come other DAWs didn't think of that?

I am genuinely curious. I see many mentioning in the thread how the console-simulation of the mixer GUI is brilliant. I just see poor GUI design?

Granted, for someone used to a real console, it's great. But if you're not, aren't more modern interfaces (logic,PT, etc.) more productive since they are more focused and don't give you more controls than you need at one time? Take the channel EQs for example, I find the Logic EQ much more user friendly (although it may not be very good), as it displays the curve and hides the controls until I want to tweak them?

Please elaborate, I want to understand what's so great about the Record approach?

[gm5k]

anyone know what the deal is with interfaces and RECORD? i haven't seen anything about compatibility, etc...

man I hope I get an email soon about beta testing. i signed up as soon as i saw that

[gm5k]

Originally Posted by Farshad

Does anyone know if it is officially supported by SSL? Given they (Propellerhead) clearly advertise the name on their website, methinks it is

"* All product names used are trademarks of their respective owners, and in no way constitutes an association or affiliation with Propellerhead Software. The SSL and/or Solid State Logic trademarks are solely used to identify the products whose sound was studied during Propellerhead Software's sound modeling development. The trademarks SSL and Solid State Logic are owned by Red Lion 49 Limited."

[tilman]

I think the Sounddemos are all very simillar. How does Techno or Glitch stuff sound with this. Perhaps a bit muddy?

Their whole concept seems very narrow to me. I do not see any future paths.... (Like when Ableton was released)

To sum it up:
It is a Reason Update / Nothing Breathtaking at all.

Why did they draw so much attention on this release?

Well and "Record" does not sound cooler than "Reason" to me.

[macleodgrant]

you guys are missing the point of this as they specified on their site

THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR AUDIO ENGINEERS - this says a lot!

it's not a replacement for logic, pro tools, live, etc....
it probably features or will at some point feature rewire then things could get interesting

[Solar]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

you guys are missing the point of this as they specified on their site

THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR AUDIO ENGINEERS - this says a lot!

it's not a replacement for logic, pro tools, live, etc....
it probably features or will at some point feature rewire then things could get interesting

Exactly... i don't understand neither why people are so fast at jumping on statements this and that like 3rd part plugins and so on. If they decide not to support 3rd part plugins they have their reason as well, i mean they haven't just decided that "ok F*** 3rd part plugins", i don't believe so...

So i said, let's first let it be released and give the new kid on the block the chance as it's their first version. And if its not made for you, than keep using what you love at this moment.

And one thing for sure, we know that it will have it's "niche" of users.

As for me, loooking forward to give it a try for sure

Cheeeeeeeeeeers!!

[tilman]

All Audio in the SessionFile? How to do Backups? Or exchange Session Edits?
I don`t get it...

I do stop now. Sorry.

Cheers.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by tilman

All Audio in the SessionFile? How to do Backups? Or exchange Session Edits?
I don`t get it...

I do stop now. Sorry.

Cheers.

There's a simple command to export all stem files or consolidate. Watch the videos

[n8tron]

you guys should check out the 3 part series on youtube about it

YouTube - Propellerheads launches their latest software "Record" and Keyboard Magazine has the scoop (pt.1)

they explain a bit about what they were thinking when the made it and why they chose to do what they did.

it makes a lot of sense. they sacrificed 3 party stuff to get streamlined, quick and very stable it seems. Only time will tell just friendly it is to work with. also, just to hammer in the fact that this isn't a replacement for other daws they provide a very cool easy way to bounce tracks seperately or however you want it seems... again, we'll see how it all comes together.

[B-sharp]

I have to say that for myself that the lack of third party support kind of defeats the purpose. I would have thought that the purpose of adding audio recording was to minimize the need of using rewire. The effects (and many of the sounds) in Reason really don't live up to my desired expectations.
Still, Reason is kind of a cool program for what it is. Good sketch pad...Easy work flow for creativity. I haven't used Reason for a long time. I doubt that there are "numerous hits" that were created using Reason entirely, except perhaps in the Techno genre. Most of my friends who are creating electronic music have switched to using other tools. Peace

[teuron]

Originally Posted by CDS

I love the way you tried to call me out and then asked a Harmony Central question here on GS. Where would the world be without the pups trying to run with the big dogs lol.

I will forgive your little blasphemy and answer your question lol: All DAWs are Wav recorders and editors with generic basic functions like reverse and splicing, that is what they are made to do.

lol!

so youre a big dog eh?

i love how you ignored everything i said and instead twisted around one thing i said into something that it was not..... or maybe you really dont know what a wave editor is.

ill tell you: you know when you double click on a wave file in a daw, and another window appears? that is the wave editor. (it is a seperate function built within the sequencer) it is also possible to assign another wave editor of you preferred choice to open automatically within you daw (such as soundforge)

i was simply asking whether Record has something similar because they dont mention it in the preview (they mention song stretching and sequencer functions but not individual wave editing)

who knows, maybe with a few years of learning you will eventually rise to the level of a pup

[raichu]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

I have yet to see software more buggy than propellerhead's.

never heard of digital performer then, eh?

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by Solar

Exactly... i don't understand neither why people are so fast at jumping on statements this and that...

Agreed... but that also goes for those who are calling RECORD a major breakthrough (crapping an all other DAWs, etc)... it all remains to be seen.

It looks like it will definitely appeal to musicians new to recording and Reason users. I think whether or not more experienced users will dump other DAWs for RECORD will depend a lot on the quality of the included effects, including the SSL mixer. I can tell you from personal experience that other amp sims like Softube's VAR and MAR are much better than the Line 6 stuff (I have the Gearbox Gold bundle).

[YUGA]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR AUDIO ENGINEERS - this says a lot!

Yeah it's for musicians according to Props, but most musicians (specially singers) need pitch/timing correction these days.

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

you guys are missing the point of this as they specified on their site

THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR AUDIO ENGINEERS - this says a lot!

I've gotta be honest... this looks a little 'audio engineer-ish' to me...

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by clonewar

I've gotta be honest... this looks a little 'audio engineer-ish' to me...

Mmm, I wonder what does that "width" button do exactly? Is it for M/S widening? Or how does it handle width exactly?

[hipass]

Even Garageband has 3rd party Plug-in support.

[Broken]

Originally Posted by Oroz

Mmm, I wonder what does that "width" button do exactly? Is it for M/S widening? Or how does it handle width exactly?

It's just for bringing a stereo track towards mono - no M/S processing involved.

Very good feature imo - most stereo synth tracks are useless at the mix stage

[CDS]

Originally Posted by clonewar

I've gotta be honest... this looks a little 'audio engineer-ish' to me...

Exactly, it makes everything else look like $10,000 cheap toys.

Its simple, Digi tried to get into a Reason clone with those synth plugs they have...

Revenge of the Jedi my friend.

I know many guys here invested plenty money in their setups and all respect for that.

With this thing, it is what it is.

Can anyone believing this is not for engineers please post a screenshot of anything in the hell beating the picture above.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by clonewar

I've gotta be honest... this looks a little 'audio engineer-ish' to me...

Actually the way it looks is just awesome! to see all your EQs and Dynamic there!!

[jonutarr]

Everyone here sooked that Melodyne wasn't a plugin but after a few years they made it happen

Give Record a go, for a new product it has impressed me more so than some other recent major DAW updates thumbsup

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by jonutarr

Everyone here sooked that Melodyne wasn't a plugin but after a few years they made it happen

Give Record a go, for a new product it has impressed me more so than some other recent major DAW updates thumbsup

Would not be weird that many people that laugh now will be surprised soon or later with Record!

[Broken]

Actually if they added Melodyne style audio editing to Record it could be the perfect package for a lot of bands.