Propellerhead's RECORD

[jeaster1]

It's looks kind of cool... i feel like at this point any software that is dongle protected should at least include a headphone output and a 1/4 inch in. I might would use it on my laptop but it would have to be seriously creative and work well moving sessions to pro tools.

[supermosey]

Every video I have seen thus far shows Record being used on a laptop. I think that alone says a lot about the audience they are trying to capture . I see both sides of the arguments people are posing , however for the price point if you're already a reason user it's a pretty darn good deal. I wish the video didn't show the guy singing into a Sputnik nor have the bass rig dissapear. But again I think they are clearly focusing on a certain market --basically the garageband audience. No doubt though someone some where will make some cool music with it.

[cooker]

LOL! just watch the DAW from their site :D

I'm no fan of the SSL idea as I'm already used to design any console I want with Nebula on my (regular) sounding DAW.

The no vst thing is a joke to me, maybe ok for beginners but once they want more the DAW will become garbage (or expensive as most probably they'll sell that as an upgrade).

Not for me...

[CDS]

Propellerheads just crapped on the entire DAW industry.

There will be many asinine idiots to try to downplay Record, but when you talk about finishing a record from start to finish in 1 GUI, this is the best I have seen in 20 years.

The bottom line is, if you have real talent and can make some great material, Record (with Reason) is the only thing you need.

Dumb ass Digidesign, how did they miss the damn SSL 9000 integration.

Now a $400 PC running Record can smoke a $30,000 HD system. Ha! I love it.

[kreeper_6]

Originally Posted by Nolet

rewire is just f*cking ridiculous! Just to use VST plugins I have to invest in and run a third party program?!? And the going back and forth between programs (e.g. Ableton Live and Cubase) is just a workflow killer.

They have history/beef with vst.

[kreeper_6]

Originally Posted by Bhang

Wow ! How underwhelming ! Especially that band. dfegad

The singer has girl pants on...

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Bhang

Wow ! How underwhelming ! Especially that band. dfegad

Propellerheads announces the greatest record making tool ever and the first thing you can think of is how the commercial's band doesn't inspire you?

Too much garbage talent sitting in front of $3000 Mac Pros looking to magically be inspired these days I guess.

I guess if they had U2 using it you would see the greatness of the product.

Music sucks and today's talent is just bitch smacked from the 80-90's because of BS just like this.

As a member of the software development community that build the tools to help creative industries, I will say this, in comparison with the film guys making entire films on digital SLR cameras (Searching For Sonny: first feature film shot on a DSLR), the music sector makes too many excuses to cover up the inability to make amazing material. The Beatles only had 4 tracks and today that material outshines music recorded today, which is pathetic.

If the Beatles had Garage Band back then, they would have likely still only used 4 tracks, its not the machine that makes music great, its the man using it.

[Nolet]

Originally Posted by CDS

Propellerheads announces the greatest record making tool ever...

Are you basing your "greatest tool ever"-claim on the promo website? Or do you have any hands on experience.

[noiseflaw]

Hmm.

Easy to use DAW with decent time stretching.


I guess I'm not the only one underwhelmed?...

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Nolet

Are you basing your "greatest tool ever"-claim on the promo website? Or do you have any hands on experience.

That is my opinion based on 20 years in field experience.

I don't need hands on experience with Record, I can plainly see what it delivers.

When you learn that the pro audio business is only based on that of opinion, after a while its easy to learn how to make any one of these tools work for your professional talents and not follow Maserati because he has a plug-in with his name on it.

[CDS]

For the record (no pun) I can respect when a guy say that Record is not for them, every man has his sword, but just because a person decides not to use a particular program does not make that program any less than anything else in my opinion.

I lost this prejudice when I witnessed someone get $20K a track programmed on Fruity Loops. Another time is when I witnessed a 19 year old kid making music on Reason (that never used a music machine before) after only 2 weeks.

I have a good DJ friend that does parties around the world who dedicates a Macbook to Serato. He realized that if he didn't adapt to the new tools available and carried vinyl crates and sl1200s or CDs and CDJ 1000s everywhere, some kids with NO experience would just copy down his playlist at a party, duplicated it in Serato and charge a promoter $200 a party rather than my friend who starts at $2000.

My theory is if the pros adopt these new tools then we can still keep a line of quality and professionalism to keep the amateurs at bay and allow them to earn their flight. I have seen this happen to many recording engineers back in the late 90's when clients wanted to record in ProTools and the tape guys were arrogantly looking down on it. Guess what? All the assistants at the time was getting into ProTools and ended up moving forward getting all the work.

The game has seriously changed and if professionals don't adapt and embrace these new tools, a less experienced person learning these new tools will take the light before the current generation had their full run.

[Benmrx]

That Youtube video on their site was ****ing hilarious! I'm actually pretty stoked on the layout + streamlined design of this program (from what I've seen so far). REALLY stoked.

I'll be looking into this further.

EDIT: Are there "busses" inside the mixer?

[Farshad]

I love thee simplicity concept. EQ and Comp are always there like a real mixer. Not too much thinking about what to choose. A minimalistic approach.

Maybe they will offer an API or Neve (or even Mackie ) version for people who don't like the SSL sound but still keep everything focused like how they are. A single window for everything...

[ToneCre8]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

That Youtube video on their site was ****ing hilarious! ...

If it's the same one on their site, I have to agree! It was funny as hell!

[n8tron]

Originally Posted by Farshad

I love thee simplicity concept. EQ and Comp are always there like a real mixer. Not too much thinking about what to choose. A minimalistic approach.

Maybe they will offer an API or Neve (or even Mackie ) version for people who don't like the SSL sound but still keep everything focused like how they are. A single window for everything...

yeah! thats really cool... i don't own many plugins at all but I still have a huge list when i go to "eq" in my list... i just wanted to twist 2 knobs to cut out some lows!

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by CDS

Propellerheads just crapped on the entire DAW industry.

There will be many asinine idiots to try to downplay Record, but when you talk about finishing a record from start to finish in 1 GUI, this is the best I have seen in 20 years.

The bottom line is, if you have real talent and can make some great material, Record (with Reason) is the only thing you need.

Dumb ass Digidesign, how did they miss the damn SSL 9000 integration.

Now a $400 PC running Record can smoke a $30,000 HD system. Ha! I love it.

+1

[25ghosts]

CDS - why are you so mad...

I think it is great that someone makes a new DAW but before you denounce the rest of them maybe you should let the software hit the market first. And why, if you are so damn creative needing nothing more than a 4 track that beatles used, to make a song, are you so excited about another DAW...

I own two propellerhead software products and while I am excited about their new DAW they still have to prove themselves beyond anyone else that they can build a stable software. I have yet to see software more buggy than propellerhead's.

Originally Posted by CDS

Now a $400 PC running Record can smoke a $30,000 HD system. Ha! I love it

Funny comment from someone claiming to be in the "bizz" for 20 years. Especially since your judgement comes from a teaser. You must be every company's dream client.

[Solar]

All i can say is that once again is that Record will has my attention and will be buying it for sure! I don't care if it has or support 3rd part plugins or not, love the concept and the approach. Let's give it a chance its vers.1 so let's breath a bit here. And what i love the most is the Time stretch capacity, imagine wowwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
Hope and looking forward to be accepted in the Beta Team!!

Cheeeeers and thmbs up to Propellerheads!!thumbsup

[kLyon]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

I own two propellerhead software products and while I am excited about their new DAW they still have to prove themselves beyond anyone else that they can build a stable software. I have yet to see software more buggy than propellerhead's.

Just curious: which two products and what computer? In 20 years of music software experience (including more than a few working for the industry) I've never, ever seen more stable music software than the Props.

(Not claiming it's the best, for everyone, whatever -- I personally think that making software look like hardware is a wrong-headed, backwards approach -- but it is always well-coded, efficient, and stable.)

[CDS]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

CDS - why are you so mad...

I think it is great that someone makes a new DAW but before you denounce the rest of them maybe you should let the software hit the market first. And why, if you are so damn creative needing nothing more than a 4 track that beatles used, to make a song, are you so excited about another DAW...

I own two propellerhead software products and while I am excited about their new DAW they still have to prove themselves beyond anyone else that they can build a stable software. I have yet to see software more buggy than propellerhead's.



Funny comment from someone claiming to be in the "bizz" for 20 years. Especially since your judgement comes from a teaser. You must be every company's dream client.

Its not being mad but more frustrated that with most of us, it seems we easily forget where affordable recording was just 15 years ago compared to what is available today.

We forgot how you use to need to lay a sync tone to 1 of your 4 tracks on your Tascam porta studio, just to sync your midi gear to 3 very hissy cassette tape tracks (Chrome anyone?)

We forgot how expensive it was to buy a CD burner and when paying $5000 for a Marantz made you one of the lucky ones.

We forgot how hard it was to get your band exposure or for your songs to get heard by the public.

We forgot when it was IMPOSSIBLE to get the big studio sound in your home studio no matter how much you spent on plug-ins and sound cards.

Unlimited tracks, SSL 9000k modeled mixer (with master buss), Reason Racks embedded, Multi track stem outputs, Easy GUI...

I mean WTF, in 1999 it would have cost you over $2,000,000 to have hardware to deliver this, now its only $299!!!!!!!!!

Every VST setup like this with midi/recording has all been buggy (and if you say Logic, no one has time to become a rocket scientist). Protools with midi instruments is also shoddy. Because PH Reason has always proven to me to be the most solid piece of creative software and best on CPU efficiency, yes I can only believe this same expertise in application design has carried over to their DAW.

If you ever worked your ass off on a minimum wage job just to buy components for a porta studio based setup, you will understand to have guys debating over overly powered tools to just make a song is just warped to me at times.

[Hide]

Originally Posted by CDS

We forgot

No, we don't forget.(maybe...?)

No, I don't forget at least.
I still use MIDI everyday and some of my instruments doesn't have MIDI (it has only CV and Trig input).

And, it doesn't matter who don't have talent,
because we're talking about "Prop RECORD" and its function and its possibility.

It is my 2 cent though.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by Hide

No, we don't forget.(maybe...?)

No, I don't forget at least.
I still use MIDI everyday and some of my instruments doesn't have MIDI (it has only CV and Trig input).

And, it doesn't matter who don't have talent,
because we're talking about "Prop RECORD" and its function and its possibility.

It is my 2 cent though.

It has everything to do with talent. If a person doesn't have any talent then the software is useless.

Example to my perspective:
You can buy a $150,000 Ferrari, but if you can't drive stick then what's the use? You can't say Ferraris are trash and no good because the driver can't drive stick.

Most cars over $150,000 are stick and if you try to race 10 Ferraris with a $500,000 automatic Bentley, your going to get dusted.

Both the Ferraris and Bentley would dust a 1980 Buick.

Bentley=ProTools HD
Ferraris=everything else (all other DAWs)
Buick=all hardware gear made before 1980

Hope this makes sense.

For me, if given the challenge of completing a ITB "retail ready" album from recording to mastering out the box with no plug add-ons only using the base system given:

A) Protools HD3 with a MacPro - $30,000
B) Record and Reason with a Macbook - $2000

Its really amazing that I would feel quite invincible with acing the project with B.

[JSt0rm]

Wait so you are saying we can now record audio? This will change music forever

[Hide]

Originally Posted by CDS

It has everything to do with talent. If a person doesn't have any talent then the software is useless.

Example to my perspective:
You can buy a $150,000 Ferrari, but if you can't drive stick then what's the use? You can't say Ferraris are trash and no good because the driver can't drive stick.

Most cars over $150,000 are stick and if you try to race 10 Ferraris with a automatic Bentley, your going to get dusted.

Hope this makes sense.

yeah, actually I really am understanding what you are saying.
But... I don't buy Ferrari if I can't drive MT car (Actually my car is MT. haha)
I also think no one buy the Ferrari if the person can't drive MT.

Hmmmm.... sorry but I can't explain very well, but I just want to say,
you're comparing very different leagues. that's making a bit confusing
and misinterpretation for me and maybe some of gearslutz.

[bexarametric]

I wonder how close it ACTUALLY sounds like the SSL. It looks like one, but that doesn't make it sound like one. This looks like a promising product. Third party support would be nice. I loved how intuitive Reason was when I used it. Not crazy about the sound engine though.

I'm willing to give it a chance, though I am skeptical about the SSL modeling. I'm not crazy about the Line 6 stuff (I know they own them), but I would rather use Guitar Rig.

[headwerkn]

I think the app shows a lot of promise. It's good to see someone taking another angle on the DAW UI concept; the mixer and 'rack' in particular looks great, very logical and should be a doddle to use.

Of course those of us with PT or Logic and Duendes or Powercores and thousands of buck's worth of Waves plugs won't be interested, but it wasn't designed for that market... rather, those who want something a little more sophisticated than GarageBand, that's easy to use and nicely 'self contained'.

If Propellorheads get a 'limited' version bundled in with various audio interfaces and offer a reasonable upgrade price to the full version they should do very well.

[CDS]

Originally Posted by bexarametric

I wonder how close it ACTUALLY sounds like the SSL. It looks like one, but that doesn't make it sound like one. This looks like a promising product. Third party support would be nice. I loved how intuitive Reason was when I used it. Not crazy about the sound engine though.

I'm willing to give it a chance, though I am skeptical about the SSL modeling. I'm not crazy about the Line 6 stuff (I know they own them), but I would rather use Guitar Rig.

If they screw up the sound after designing the best mixer GUI of any DAW I have seen, it would be company damaging if it doesn't deliver on sound. This totally embarrasses all the other channel designs that looks nothing like a legacy strip, this is the first built-in mixer that looks like a mixer.

[DontLetMeDrown]

I can see Reason owners being excited about this. If you don't use 3rd party plug-ins, you probably will have everything you need. I get by fine with Reason Adapted that came with my mbox when I need to make beats (rarely). I never invested in the full version.

For me, "Record" is not very attractive due to its lack of 3rd party plug-in support. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has built up a nice collection of plug-ins over the years. If they expect me to give up those, this DAW would have to be the best thing since sliced bread. We shall see, but I figure I am not the "target audience".

[androne]

Originally Posted by CDS

For the record (no pun) I can respect when a guy say that Record is not for them, every man has his sword, but just because a person decides not to use a particular program does not make that program any less than anything else in my opinion.

I lost this prejudice when I witnessed someone get $20K a track programmed on Fruity Loops. Another time is when I witnessed a 19 year old kid making music on Reason (that never used a music machine before) after only 2 weeks.

I have a good DJ friend that does parties around the world who dedicates a Macbook to Serato. He realized that if he didn't adapt to the new tools available and carried vinyl crates and sl1200s or CDs and CDJ 1000s everywhere, some kids with NO experience would just copy down his playlist at a party, duplicated it in Serato and charge a promoter $200 a party rather than my friend who starts at $2000.

My theory is if the pros adopt these new tools then we can still keep a line of quality and professionalism to keep the amateurs at bay and allow them to earn their flight. I have seen this happen to many recording engineers back in the late 90's when clients wanted to record in ProTools and the tape guys were arrogantly looking down on it. Guess what? All the assistants at the time was getting into ProTools and ended up moving forward getting all the work.

The game has seriously changed and if professionals don't adapt and embrace these new tools, a less experienced person learning these new tools will take the light before the current generation had their full run.

Yes, I concur with this opinion!

[androne]

Originally Posted by bexarametric

I wonder how close it ACTUALLY sounds like the SSL. It looks like one, but that doesn't make it sound like one. This looks like a promising product. Third party support would be nice. I loved how intuitive Reason was when I used it. Not crazy about the sound engine though.

I'm willing to give it a chance, though I am skeptical about the SSL modeling. I'm not crazy about the Line 6 stuff (I know they own them), but I would rather use Guitar Rig.

Thats also my feeling.

Reason has LOTS of potential in developing and exploring sounds for one.
But its sequencer was daunting !!
That changed a bit with Reason 4 but it still is one big mess of racks...

But think about it guys: RECORD will make you all MUCH more comfortable to work with Reason synths and FX, as it follows more the 'normal' DAW design.

This way, most people used to any DAW will easily delve deeper into the realms
of REASON in composing/recording + be much more ready for mixing Reason songs delivered to them by others.

I am all for it !