Propellerhead's RECORD

[sigmatibet]

Here we are.

Propellerhead Software - Products - Record

looks lovely but I feel like they missed the train. It took so long, and after Ableton's arrival everything is different now.








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[Nolet]

Originally Posted by dj_who

"No third-party plugins are supported, but it can be ReWired."

well, there goes that. no vst plugins? this ain't for me.

rewire is just f*cking ridiculous! Just to use VST plugins I have to invest in and run a third party program?!? And the going back and forth between programs (e.g. Ableton Live and Cubase) is just a workflow killer.

[sigmatibet]

what I like most is:

-Price

-Total integration of Reason devices (looks like "Reason Audio")

-64 bit, 192 etc.

-batch export



What I don't like:

One thing I don't understand is the spellbound wonder of people in the teaser video.
It's a normal program. Just another Daw. I cannot see anything revolutionary.
I hate this kind of marketing.
Just like the Novation SLII...:"the most revolutionary product of the Messe":
They put one lcd away and they painted it siver!
Wow!

[matta]

I think it is revolutionary... for the MUSICIAN.

It isn't aimed at engineers, but rather guys who want to be creative and capture their ideas.

$299 gets you a recording system that has UNLIMITED tracks (based on your computers limitations) with pretty nifty mixer that has a very analog look/feel (more so than any other recording software I've seen) and it is a matter of drag an drop, hit record, move on.

Sure these features in and of themselves might not be revolutionary, but having them all in one place and a affordable price makes it special.

I commend Props for NOT opening it up to 3rd parties, it means Props will dictate the stability of the program and being an avid Reason fan and partaking in the BETA of Reason 4.0 I know what went into making sure it shipped being as solid as could be.... which I WISH could be said of other DAW's.

How many of us have experiences plugins than are not compatible with X or Y version of a DAW crashing, we spent hours fixing the problems, remove this and that to get a 'stable' workhorse... muso don't want that, they want to RECORD.

MUSO's want to make music, not be engineers, many will cross over, but many won't and I see this as a great way for them to capture and conceptualize their art with a VERY small learning curve.

That said I think that Props have considered than Record sessions will need to integrate into other DAW's and their Bounce Mixerlooks to take care of that allowing for batch exports, with out without effects, up sampling/down sampling, making it easy to exchange files between DAW's.

Some might think they 'missed the boat', I however feel they created a new one that will allow 'sea sick' musicians an opportunity to have a go at recording their own ideas without being intimidated by a plethora of menus/features.

Cheers

Matt

[Nicholas Varley]

+1

Plus it's a no brainer if you know and understand Reason 4 already.

They could have called this 'Reason Audio' but I guess it's been done before lol.

[SWAN808]

If the mixer sounds good I think this could be a great way to get into production - much less complicated than other DAWs...and price is good...

[Goliath|Audio]

I really don't care about the third party plugs. I have always liked the effects in Reason. They aren't top shelf, but they always have a cool quality to them.

[HOTC]

was never crazy about reason and this is just marketing bs it seems
Other DAWs out there besides the big ones that are cool like Reaper

[ORGANIK]

what i really do think is cool is how the mixer window is laid out like a real mixer off the bat. I think things should be set up like this all the time. yes customizable etc, but really we come from analog and everyone trys to make digital analog but no one ever made a day that actually is laid out like a mixer visually to my knowledge and that's pretty cool . thumbsup

[Silver Sonya]

Ha!

How totally Scandinavian is that band in the video?



This is essentially targeted as a Garageband kind of thing. They repeatedly emphasize the user-friendliness, the pro-musician/anti-engineer mindset; the simplicity, etc.

For Reason users, it will be a cool little tool.

- c

[WindowSills]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

This is essentially targeted as a Garageband kind of thing. They repeatedly emphasize the user-friendliness, the pro-musician/anti-engineer mindset; the simplicity, etc.

For Reason users, it will be a cool little tool.

- c

Garageband-y was my first thought as well - a seemingly simple songwriting and recording program. Garageband does let you use third party AU plugins though - with Record, if you're not keen on the SSL flavor of EQ & Comp or the Line 6 amp models, you're SOL. Maybe later updates will allow you to swap for a Neve or API mixer! In general though, I think not being able to load a different style EQ or comp on each track may actually help people in music creation, which is clearly what they're going for here. Brian Eno recently said that with the limitless possibilities in recording today, he sees part of his role as a producer to be the person who comes in and sets some limits. Otherwise, you spend days figuring out whether to use the Neve or the API or the SSL or...

Couldn't find any info if you can import audio INTO it. I like the bounce function - being able to export multiple tracks from a single dialog window is very nice.

[Solar]

Simply loooooooooooooooooove what i just saw in the video!!!

honestly looks very interesting and let's give them a chance too, it's the first version.. who knows down the road right?

Wooooooooooooooow now September looks too far for a release if i read correctly here.

Cheers!!thumbsup

[digitalson]

are you forgetting about melodyne.....that to date has the best loop stretching

[cane creek]

I was never happy with the reason sound engine that boxy/plastic sound (in hindsight maybe some of the presets had too much reverb ?) however i was always at my most creative when using reason.

So at the end of the day ill stick with logic but ill certainly buy the "Record" upgrade.

We all suffer "Writers block" from time to time , so im sure if im suffering whilst using logic then fireing up Record/Rewire will be like a breath of fresh air to get the creative juices flowing then export the idea's over to logic weather it be audio files or midi files.

when you see how much a single Waves/URS etc plugin costs then 129 euro upgrade seems a no brainer to me.

Also great is the props are now emulating gear SSL , POD .... so who knows what Reason/Record users might get next Neve , Manley , API etc ? all running solid and not at 'Monical dropping' price's either.

Ive always viewed reason as a sketch pad for ideas and for 129 euro the sketch pad has got a whole lot bigger

[PureAudiouk]

I use protools for my main daw and Reason as a scratchpad, but having the SSL stuff to hand on my urban mixes can ONLY be a benefit. When I'm buggering with sounds and samples this can only be an advantage.

Can't wait to Beta test it.

[cane creek]

Im a bit pissed Record uses a "Dongle" AHHHHHGGHHHHH

[houseplant]

Originally Posted by cane creek

Ive always viewed reason as a sketch pad for ideas and for 129 euro the sketch pad has got a whole lot bigger

BINGO!! My thoughts exactly. Reason allows me to get ideas out quickly...and best of all its extremely stable. The problem with third party plugins is that there are just waay too many out there.. which is a good thing for versatility, but can be cumbersome for daw developers. Its hard enough to keep things stable in your own controlled environment (daw app), let alone introducing outside influences that may/may not break your package.

Sound
They give you the options : Dont like the boxy sound... no problem.... rewire... export to audio then import it in your favorite daw for mixing/processing. OR if you have a ton of outboard.. there is always the hardware outputs which can directly go to your summing mixer/console/reverb units/comps/eq/etc.

[GSF]

It looks pretty cool to me, though after looking at the mixer I can imagine it will involve a hell of a lot of mouse scrolling and clicking.

[solidstate]

It looks ugly as ****

No VST/AU..??! It's 2009, Cmon..

Why ppl jaws are dropping in the video

[Hide]

nice.... that's really great news!

I loved the Reason (between ver1 to 3),
and I hate to use ReWire for keep using Reason,
so I've already switched to DAW world... bought many vst plugs too,
That's too late for me...

[ToneCre8]

This is niche market indeed. Don't understand how anyone's jaw could drop from anything I've seen or read. There's absolutely nothing new. Perhaps it's new to the guys at Prop Heads. Seriously, you don't have to wait, you can have all this (and more) TODAY!

But then again version 1 of all daws started with these features... So maybe in 10 years we will see where Re Cord evolves.

[HobbyCore]

It really does look amazing...

YouTube - Propellerheads launches their latest software "Record" and Keyboard Magazine has the scoop (pt.1)
YouTube - Propellerheads launches their latest software "Record" and Keyboard Magazine has the scoop (pt.2)
YouTube - Propellerheads launches their latest software "Record" and Keyboard Magazine has the scoop (pt.3)

[Bhang]

Wow ! How underwhelming ! Especially that band. dfegad

[Foxis]

I used to love Reason until I found out how much better AU synths can sound, and I moved on.
That said, I sort of expected Propellerheads to do something interesting with the audio aspect of software. I must say I am extremely underwhelmed. Sure, maybe it's cool to have an SSL 9000K layout, but looking at the "full view" pic of the mixer on their site, I get an headache.

Best of luck to them though. I am Swedish after all.

[Ru_C]

I think not allowing VST/AU plugs is a *good thing*.

It will keep the software stable & efficient for the writing process, & any channels that need additional processing can be re-wired at the very end for mixing.

I can't wait to give it a go..

[ElMosca]

This would work for me and my clients as an add-on to Reason. I do not see it replacing PT as my main DAW yet, because it doesn't do video (sometimes a man needs video).

I personally don't care that it doesn't host VSTs or AUs plugs. As the vapor solidifies into actual product, I will have a better opinion.

FWIW, I just signed up for the beta program.

Cheers,
++aldo

[0t0b0t]

Very interesting!!
If the mixer (eq/channel comp) and the bus comp sound good and work as ssl'ish emulations, I'm not against it being not open to third party plugs.. sometimes limitation is good.. we will see.. I'm eager to try the beta^^

[tilman]

And what if you don´t want that SSL sound.
I swear upcoming updates will make it possible to exchange mixerflavours.

I don´t know but for me this has allready lost the competition.

[digitalson]

the bottom line is this.....reason is prob the most flexable and most creative software out there....im thinking if the stretching is that good ...will i be able to use acid loops in the program as well as rex's....will the program automatically fit to tempo for the loops?

[n8tron]

hmm, I was pretty against yet another daw, as I mentioned in the other thread about this, but I think Props might have something here. Its very focused. I think for people just using Reason or using Reason a lot this is a no-brainer. I also like the idea of no vst/au but with the ssl modeled eq and dynamics.

I don't think people will be using this is a final product maker but it looks like a great demo maker, and a great idea sketchpad for bands.

Not for me, but I have definitely been proven wrong about not having room for another daw.